Skins News of the Day - Tues 11/10

[ehb5]

He detailed two throws in the 4th quarter and said he didn't miss any deep throws the first three quarters.

Saw somebody say he actually played better than he has all year in the first half Sunday and then went back to usual Kirk for the second half.

 

[Sportster 72]

Saw somebody say he actually played better than he has all year in the first half Sunday and then went back to usual Kirk for the second half.

It seems that now everyone is an expert on the game and feels qualified to breakdown plays. I think it went from fun to a little bit overboard now. I don't mean this for Cousins only.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

It seems that now everyone is an expert on the game and feels qualified to breakdown plays. I think it went from fun to a little bit overboard now. I don't mean this for Cousins only.

You make a really good point here. Easier access to film is a double edged sword and no player is impervious to being seen making mistakes.

On the plus side, it's great to be able to pinpoint and easily access fun and wonderful plays as well as highlight an opportunity to improve.

This is a good tool for fans and coaches but has really opened the door for unwarranted criticism and scrutiny as a player grows and develops in the public arena. This can easily lead to false narratives by the media and fans. I'd hate to be in that fishbowl myself.

No one is perfect for all 60 minutes of a game. Important to keep in mind that the film is a 'snap shot' of a player, not an end all be all.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Not even close to true. Blake Bortles job is not even in jeopardy. RG3 is still on this team and everybody knows what was given up. RG3 was not in jeopardy of losing his job until year 3.

There is no chance that Robert Griffin plays this year given his contract. Griffin's presence has nothing to do with Cousins' status as the starter. If he is benched it is Colt, not Griff, who goes in. And Blake Bortles is hardly a sure thing, he's had half a pretty good season. Bortles will be given a longer leash than Cousins, just as Griff did, due to the upside. But let's not pretend he can afford to go in the tank the way RGIII did and keep his job.

 

[ehb5]

It seems that now everyone is an expert on the game and feels qualified to breakdown plays. I think it went from fun to a little bit overboard now. I don't mean this for Cousins only.

You might be right but I think the guy who said it does actually know what hes talking about.

 

[Sharkinva]

There is no chance that Robert Griffin plays this year given his contract. Griffin's presence has nothing to do with Cousins' status as the starter. If he is benched it is Colt, not Griff, who goes in. And Blake Bortles is hardly a sure thing, he's had half a pretty good season. Bortles will be given a longer leash than Cousins, just as Griff did, due to the upside. But let's not pretend he can afford to go in the tank the way RGIII did and keep his job.

Come on dude, to say Kirk has NOTHING to worry about with RG3 still on the roster, is like telling your wife she shouldnt worry that your self professed first love is now working three doors down the hall from you. Sure Kirk got the ring, but until RG3 is on another roster, he will always have that specter hanging over him. And its not about if Griffin gets in this year. As long as they maintain his option, Kirk is playing for his home NEXT year. And we all know it. If there is a question, you know there will be at least two voices inside the building lobbying for Griffin to be retained and givin the last year to prove it once and for all.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

You might be right but I think the guy who said it does actually know what hes talking about.

It was Cian and he has a healthy distaste for any long term upside on Kirk. Im not dismissing his opinion but it must be noted that he comes from a position that we have already seen everything that Kirk is and can be.

That said, he is a respected analyst but it remains an opinion (shared by others true) and they always vary.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Come on dude, to say Kirk has NOTHING to worry about with RG3 still on the roster, is like telling your wife she shouldnt worry that your self professed first love is now working three doors down the hall from you. Sure Kirk got the ring, but until RG3 is on another roster, he will always have that specter hanging over him. And its not about if Griffin gets in this year. As long as they maintain his option, Kirk is playing for his home NEXT year. And we all know it. If there is a question, you know there will be at least two voices inside the building lobbying for Griffin to be retained and givin the last year to prove it once and for all.

I hear what you're saying, it's crazy that Griff is still on the roster. Maybe I misunderstand your claim. I thought you were talking about this year. As I said not a chance Griff plays so I don't see him as a factor. If you are talking about next year no doubt Kirk is playing for a job. But like I said so are about 1,500 other players around the league.

 

[gkekoa]

There is no chance that Robert Griffin plays this year given his contract. Griffin's presence has nothing to do with Cousins' status as the starter. If he is benched it is Colt, not Griff, who goes in. And Blake Bortles is hardly a sure thing, he's had half a pretty good season. Bortles will be given a longer leash than Cousins, just as Griff did, due to the upside. But let's not pretend he can afford to go in the tank the way RGIII did and keep his job.

Even this season. With RG3 here and occasional clamor of come on Colt, KC doesn't feel secure in his starting role. He probably should but understands this may be his only shot of solidifying a starting gig. Would you piss off the people giving you a shot or try to please them?

Blake Bortles has no fears of jax drafting a QB high in this upcoming draft and knows the job is his this season.

 

[Sharkinva]

I hear what you're saying, it's crazy that Griff is still on the roster. Maybe I misunderstand your claim. I thought you were talking about this year. As I said not a chance Griff plays so I don't see him as a factor. If you are talking about next year no doubt Kirk is playing for a job. But like I said so are about 1,500 other players around the league.

Oh I dont think Griffin is a huge threat to Kirk for this season. BUt lets say Kirk goes out and has a 10 out of 30, 4 INT and a FUmble game against the Saints. And follows that up with another woeful performance against Carolina. That in effect would end ANY hope we had of even backing into the Division. At which point you and i both know Kirk would likely get benched... and injury guarantee be damned, you know Dan would be on his high horse for Griffin getting the start, with Bruce backing him up. Now as the last QB determination was a group decision by all indications, Im not so sure benching Kirk would guarantee Colt gets the start. After all, we know what we get from Colt. There are still those in the FO that believe (even marginally) in the potential of Griffin. This is also why I wont believe he will be released until he is signed with another team.

 

[skinsdad62]

Oh I dont think Griffin is a huge threat to Kirk for this season. BUt lets say Kirk goes out and has a 10 out of 30, 4 INT and a FUmble game against the Saints. And follows that up with another woeful performance against Carolina. That in effect would end ANY hope we had of even backing into the Division. At which point you and i both know Kirk would likely get benched... and injury guarantee be damned, you know Dan would be on his high horse for Griffin getting the start, with Bruce backing him up. Now as the last QB determination was a group decision by all indications, Im not so sure benching Kirk would guarantee Colt gets the start. After all, we know what we get from Colt. There are still those in the FO that believe (even marginally) in the potential of Griffin. This is also why I wont believe he will be released until he is signed with another team.

if that were to happen then we would lose SM and in effect be back in the quagmire i dont think that would happen i think they would simply go in another direction at qb

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Oh I dont think Griffin is a huge threat to Kirk for this season. BUt lets say Kirk goes out and has a 10 out of 30, 4 INT and a FUmble game against the Saints. And follows that up with another woeful performance against Carolina. That in effect would end ANY hope we had of even backing into the Division. At which point you and i both know Kirk would likely get benched... and injury guarantee be damned, you know Dan would be on his high horse for Griffin getting the start, with Bruce backing him up. Now as the last QB determination was a group decision by all indications, Im not so sure benching Kirk would guarantee Colt gets the start. After all, we know what we get from Colt. There are still those in the FO that believe (even marginally) in the potential of Griffin. This is also why I wont believe he will be released until he is signed with another team.

The fact that he is even on the roster backs your position, I totally get that. But to the rest of us it's just more Snyder being stupid. Even if Kirk falls flat as you described how in the world can you justify RGIII, at $16 million, as your starting QB next year. That's insane.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Even this season. With RG3 here and occasional clamor of come on Colt, KC doesn't feel secure in his starting role. He probably should but understands this may be his only shot of solidifying a starting gig. Would you piss off the people giving you a shot or try to please them?

Blake Bortles has no fears of jax drafting a QB high in this upcoming draft and knows the job is his this season.

Again every player in the league at Kirk Cousins' level is looking over their shoulder, Griffin has little to do with it IMO.

 

[Sharkinva]

if that were to happen then we would lose SM and in effect be back in the quagmire i dont think that would happen i think they would simply go in another direction at qb

I tend to think that if there were zero chance of RG3 being used this year, or around next year he would have already been released. Because every one on the planet knew from the moment he was benched, that his option made him untradeable. And as his salary for next season becomes fully guaranteed period come March 3rd, we basically have until March 2nd to decide on him one way or another. Also considering the level of injuries we have had on this team, it makes little sense to hold onto a player you have no intention of playing in any circumstance, and also dont plan to retain next season. SO yes I think holding him requires SMGM's buy in based on those factors.

 

[Sharkinva]

The fact that he is even on the roster backs your position, I totally get that. But to the rest of us it's just more Snyder being stupid. Even if Kirk falls flat as you described how in the world can you justify RGIII, at $16 million, as your starting QB next year. That's insane.

This team has not been beyond doing the insane since about 1999.

 

[gkekoa]

We definitely should not just release RG3 because somebody will take a chance on him, pay him, play him, and we will get at least a third as a compensatory from him.

 

[gkekoa]

Again every player in the league at Kirk Cousins' level is looking over their shoulder, Griffin has little to do with it IMO.

You are missing the point. Do you take chances when you think your job is on the line or do you walk the line?

 

[JonBlaze]

I can't believe people still fear Snyder pulling the owner card and forcing RG3 in. Gruden has the final say and if anything changes, it would be under the influence of SM not Snyder. Unless we are to believe Snyder got on the phone last year and ordered Colt McCoy into the starting lineup. That'll sell seats and jerseys!

Sure the possibility exists I guess, but really, Kirk hasn't imploded and he's probably trending up if anything. I can't see it ever getting to the point where all the powers that be decide it's time RG3 got into the game. Not buying it.

 

[gkekoa]

I can't believe people still fear Snyder pulling the owner card and forcing RG3 in. Gruden has the final say and if anything changes, it would be under the influence of SM not Snyder. Unless we are to believe Snyder got on the phone last year and ordered Colt McCoy into the starting lineup. That'll sell seats and jerseys!

Sure the possibility exists I guess, but really, Kirk hasn't imploded and he's probably trending up if anything. I can't see it ever getting to the point where all the powers that be decide it's time RG3 got into the game. Not buying it.

He is improving. There is no question. People keep asking why he isn't throwing deep. We are simply talking about the freedom to skip things in a progression to take advantage of a read. KC doesn't feel that freedom because he is playing for a future.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I can't believe people still fear Snyder pulling the owner card and forcing RG3 in. Gruden has the final say and if anything changes, it would be under the influence of SM not Snyder. Unless we are to believe Snyder got on the phone last year and ordered Colt McCoy into the starting lineup. That'll sell seats and jerseys!

Sure the possibility exists I guess, but really, Kirk hasn't imploded and he's probably trending up if anything. I can't see it ever getting to the point where all the powers that be decide it's time RG3 got into the game. Not buying it.

Agreed.