The Pierre Garcon problem

[Stymietee]

Washington is a two dimensional team, period, end of sentence. They throw short to midrange passes and they run the ball, that's it and that's also the problem. Without that third option (the deep ball) they are reduced to winning with short to midrange passes as teams take away the run. Therein lies the Pierre Garcon problem. This week J. Gruden informed us that contrary to earlier iterations about Rashawn Ross' s lack of playing time, the real reason he's not playing is because he plays the same position as Pierre G arcon. Seems like there's no solution outside of alternating them, right? Wrong!!! Where would Jackson be playing were he healthy? OK, let's say that Gruden is correct, then move Garcon, he knows the offensive passing tree and should be as good or better playing elsewhere. The team needs the speedier Ross in the game more at this point than concerns with a player being upset because he needscto play elsewhere.

 

[skinsdad62]

Washington is a two dimensional team, period, end of sentence. They throw short to midrange passes and they run the ball, that's it and that's also the problem. Without that third option (the deep ball) they are reduced to winning with short to midrange passes as teams take away the run. Therein lies the Pierre Garcon problem. This week J. Gruden informed us that contrary to earlier iterations about Rashawn Ross' s lack of playing time, the real reason he's not playing is because he plays the same position as Pierre G arcon. Seems like there's no solution outside of alternating them, right? Wrong!!! Where would Jackson be playing were he healthy? OK, let's say that Gruden is correct, then move Garcon, he knows the offensive passing tree and should be as good or better playing elsewhere. The team needs the speedier Ross in the game more at this point than concerns with a player being upset because he needscto play elsewhere.

he needs to produce when he is in there . he needs to line up in the right spot for gods sake . he dropped a pass when we needed a play . that is what young guys do especially guys who were at the tail end of the depth chart

 

[JonBlaze]

Strange name for the title as I don't see garcon as a problem. Sounds like a Ross problem or a DeSean hamstring problem

 

[skinsdad62]

Strange name for the title as I don't see garcon as a problem. Sounds like a Ross problem or a DeSean hamstring problem

sty hates garcon because of his contract

 

[Stymietee]

Strange name for the title as I don't see garcon as a problem. Sounds like a Ross problem or a DeSean hamstring problem

It is possible that you missed the part where Gruden states that the reason why they are not playing Ross more is because both he and Garcon play the same position. Now be honest, you didn't read the thread starter, did you?

 

[Stymietee]

TE="skinsdad62, post: 7398718, member: 1615"]sty hates garcon because of his contract[/QUOTE]

That's totally untrue, I see him for what he is and has always been, a second teir wideout who can be covered by one guy. It is because he is overpaid that too many here see him as more than what he is.

BTW: let's not change the subject, Gruden made the claim, not me!! I just came up with a couple solutions to his problems, something any non biased coach could have done in his sleep. Well, to be fair to him, whether he knows this or not, rebuilding means that, youth must be served. If he and his staff have left them unprepared, that is, to his (and their) demise.

 

[skinsdad62]

TE="skinsdad62, post: 7398718, member: 1615"]sty hates garcon because of his contract

That's totally untrue, I see him for what he is and has always been, a second teir wideout who can be covered by one guy. It is because he is overpaid that too many here see him as more than what he is.

BTW: let's not change the subject, Gruden made the claim, not me!! I just came up with a couple solutions to his problems, something any non biased coach could have done in his sleep. Well, to be fair to him, whether he knows this or not, rebuilding means that, youth must be served. If he and his staff have left them unprepared, that is, to his (and their) demise.[/QUOTE]

show me where ross has earned any more snaps ?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'm with Dad. Garcon showed his worth on the final drive vs Philly, Ross is a young fast guy who has caught one deep ball and drew one penalty.

 

[Breed]

Seems to me Gruden is either lying or he forgot what he said initially after Djax's injury. He specifically called out Ross saying he needed to step up. I can't be the only poster who saw that article.

You got no issue playing your just signed this year to a multi-mllion dollar deal CB the entire game against Atl who was listed at 50% to 60% of full strength. And it seems reasonable to assume playing a player as hurt as CC was and as long as they played him. Might not of been wise as he was unable to play at all the following week.

You got no issue playing a QB who throws habitual soul-crushing INTs including a pick six that was the winning score for your opponent in overtime. And an INT on the Skins first 2nd half possession that was such a fucked up short hop pass. It forced revisto go low enough and lose hisbalance falling to the ground. Which is why he didn't return it for a TD.

But suddenly its a no way around it problem all over sudden When your most explosive/big play capable WR doesn't know a couple pass routes Who was also specifically singled out to step it up by his HC. After your team's best WR and proven big play player hurts his hammer. Than has the gall to say Ross only knows PG's routes

 

[JonBlaze]

It is possible that you missed the part where Gruden states that the reason why they are not playing Ross more is because both he and Garcon play the same position. Now be honest, you didn't read the thread starter, did you?

I certainly did. So you're saying the guy with 100 rec and 1000 yd season under his belt, proven performer, etc is the problem and they young fast guy that can't step up to replace Desean's role isn't at fault. Makes perfect sense. Ross shouldn't be playing Garcon's position anyway, so why is this a Garcon problem?

 

[Stymietee]

I certainly did. So you're saying the guy with 100 rec and 1000 yd season under his belt, proven performer, etc is the problem and they young fast guy that can't step up to replace Desean's role isn't at fault. Makes perfect sense. Ross shouldn't be playing Garcon's position anyway, so why is this a Garcon problem?

Honestly, I can't help you with comprehension. IF......and I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here. .......IF, you read and understood the thread opening, you just might have noticed that it was Gruden who stated that Ross was not playing more because both he and Garcon play the same position. ( Hence the Garcon problem). You'll have to ask coach Gruden why Ross and Garcon are playing the same position, after all, HE SAID IT!!!!

 

[skinsdad62]

Honestly, I can't help you with comprehension. IF......and I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here. .......IF, you read and understood the thread opening, you just might have noticed that it was Gruden who stated that Ross was not playing more because both he and Garcon play the same position. ( Hence the Garcon problem). You'll have to ask coach Gruden why Ross and Garcon are playing the same position, after all, HE SAID IT!!!!

and its a garcon problem ? are you advocating he sit garcon to play the raw ross ? it should be the ross problem . learn the spots to get in the game . that doesnt take a coach looking over your shoulder . that takes personal initiative

make the case as to why he should play me ( me being ross ) dont drop cathable balls when we need a drive to be kept alive . line up in the right spots and run the correct routes would be a start

just because you are fast doesnt mean you are entitled to playing time

 

[JonBlaze]

Honestly, I can't help you with comprehension. IF......and I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here. .......IF, you read and understood the thread opening, you just might have noticed that it was Gruden who stated that Ross was not playing more because both he and Garcon play the same position. ( Hence the Garcon problem). You'll have to ask coach Gruden why Ross and Garcon are playing the same position, after all, HE SAID IT!!!!

If Ross is a one trick pony and can't learn the whole routes/playbook, then that's on him. Why should it be a Garcon problem that he knows his job and does it just fine. As skinsdad asks, are you suggesting they sit Garcon because he's in Ross' way and plays the same receiver position? If anything this sounds like a Gruden problem (shocker). Skins down a deep threat in DJax, shouldn't the coach in charge of the offense figure out ways to replace that, even if they have to dumb it down for Ross?

 

[Stymietee]

and its a garcon problem ? are you advocating he sit garcon to play the raw ross ? it should be the ross problem . learn the spots to get in the game . that doesnt take a coach looking over your shoulder . that takes personal initiative

make the case as to why he should play me ( me being ross ) dont drop cathable balls when we need a drive to be kept alive . line up in the right spots and run the correct routes would be a start

just because you are fast doesnt mean you are entitled to playing time

Please understand, it's not A Garcon problem, it's THE Garcon problem, as outlined by JG. Frankly Ross should be the backup to DJax not Garcon. Since he is not I've suggested that the veteran take the lead dog spot when Ross is inserted into the game.

 

[Stymietee]

If Ross is a one trick pony and can't learn the whole routes/playbook, then that's on him. Why should it be a Garcon problem that he knows his job and does it just fine. As skinsdad asks, are you suggesting they sit Garcon because he's in Ross' way and plays the same receiver position? If anything this sounds like a Gruden problem (shocker). Skins down a deep threat in DJax, shouldn't the coach in charge of the offense figure out ways to replace that, even if they have to dumb it down for Ross?

Once more and for all time, it is not A Garcon problem, it is THE Garcon problem, (hint: it's the first word in the thread title)

 

[j_y19]

The title is in error. Garçon is neither "the" problem nor "a" problem. With all of the issues this team has, garçon is not one of them.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah the thread title and opening post clearly indicates Stymie believe Garcon is the problem. If that was not the intent that's on him, not the poster with the "comprehension" issue.

 

[skinsdad62]

yeah i believe that had some worms hooked up on it

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

yeah i believe that had some worms hooked up on it

This looks like a fishing reference and I fish. But I'll be damned if I understand this post.

 

[skinsdad62]

This looks like a fishing reference and I fish. But I'll be damned if I understand this post.

it is