Week 5 Game Thread - at Oakland

[SpringStein]

And this is in pristine weather. Wonder what this offense looks like in late Nov-Jan

Better. Much better.

 

[58crash]

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say at all. Is English your first language? Because your posts are nonsensical.

Okay I will break it down in a tread ..I will be as artful as possible so as to get this out of my head so even the people that don't see what has happened with the Broncos Since we lost the SB . it is kind of tangled So I will go think on it for a wile then I will take as long as I need to get all of my thought process down ..


What I want is people to ask themselves is this When did the Broncos become a power team ? I will help you most would say after the SB! I say fox wanted to beat the Seahawks with power ! it failed ! so what did Fox do ? He Doubled Down on Power and that is when Alex Gibbs Quit .. I will build on this latter in a thread ..

 

[randymon]

I'll break it down for you. This offensive line isn't very good. I don't care what plays or schemes you want to throw in there. If the personnel you have can't execute a simple bulking assignment, what makes you think this unit can get of their asses and execute a screen with a running back. It's not the play calling, it's the lack of execution and talent that we have on that line. Kubrick probably sees this better than you Crash. He watches them everyday in practice. He knows what he has and knows what their capable of and where they struggle. Pretty black and white to me. Don't need to see any past films. Kubrick has a very limited O line to work with period my friend

 

[Malibu]

Man Malibu I'm going to have to beg to differ on Mannings play today. I see an offense that because of the struggles to run ball is effecting the passing game. Manning throws didn't look that bad to me today. Looked to me like Daniel's gave up on route on the pk in end zone and Manning anticipated he would continue route. IDK, the offense as a whole was pretty sad but to me Peyton threw the ball decent.

Daniels was not open at all and Manning decided on those 2 picks to make those throws no matter what. Had no business making those passes at all. I get it there is no running game and the o line isn't great but you still can't make those passes. Another issue in which I saw someone post above is the Broncos wr's are getting no separation at all. Sanders does at times and that is it. Watch the Patriots and Brady throws his 4 yard passes and guys are completely wide open and get yards after the catch. Manning can't hit tight windows as much as he used to. When is Virgel Green going to get involved and what's the point of throwing that pass in the corner of the end zone to Hillman to go up and get it? I mean really what are the percentages of him catching that pass. Manning is just part of the problem and I guarantee he isn't happy with his play at all. It's been 5 games and can anyone honestly say Manning has been getting better or the offense period is getting better. Just think if the Broncos played teams with any offense at all so far this year. This defense can't hold up like this forever. Ravens, Chiefs, Raiders, Vikings, and Detroit aren't great offensive teams. Like I said every week i keep thinking the offense can't get any worse but it does. Manning's numbers are what they are and that's not acceptable and that goes for the whole offense as well.

 

[Malibu]

Oh ya where is there a productive slot wr on this team?

 

[LGM]

Our oline is average at best, in a scheme everyone is just now learning. We could create a better run game by using roll outs, which is obviously not in Manning's repertoire. Our TE play is also average, and the only thing we have that is remotely effective are the deep jump balls that Manning seems to throw to DT.

I really find it wonderfully agonizing that our defense is such a dominating sack producing point scoring machine, and just two years removed from one of the most prolific offenses on earth.

I don't see us as much more than a wildcard/low AFC West winner, and likely some relief from the coaches on up that Manning will be gone next year.

 

[Malibu]

Just watched that Daniels play where Manning was picked off 3 times. Yes he slowed down but there were 3 guys there. No way that pass was getting to Daniels. The defense read that easily and knew it was coming.

 

[Broncos6482]

To be completely fair, Manning hit Hillman in the hands on what should have been a touchdown before the first interception, and he hit DT on the hands in the end zone after the Von Miller fumble recovery. If neither of those is dropped we're talking about a two touchdown, one interception day from Manning.

Now, that's still not great, but it's a lot better. Those are the kinds of plays the receivers have to start making. Manning has certainly struggled, but he's not the only one on offense playing poorly. DT has way too many drops, our tight ends scare no one and get no separation, our running backs go down on the first contact, and our line can't block anyone. That's a bad combination all around.

 

[randymon]

To be completely fair, Manning hit Hillman in the hands on what should have been a touchdown before the first interception, and he hit DT on the hands in the end zone after the Von Miller fumble recovery. If neither of those is dropped we're talking about a two touchdown, one interception day from Manning.

Now, that's still not great, but it's a lot better. Those are the kinds of plays the receivers have to start making. Manning has certainly struggled, but he's not the only one on offense playing poorly. DT has way too many drops, our tight ends scare no one and get no separation, our running backs go down on the first contact, and our line can't block anyone. That's a bad combination all around.

The prob is the running backs 1st contact is a yard behind line of scrimmage 75% of the time. That line is getting pushed back more than I've ever witnessed Terrible.

 

[Malibu]

To be completely fair, Manning hit Hillman in the hands on what should have been a touchdown before the first interception, and he hit DT on the hands in the end zone after the Von Miller fumble recovery. If neither of those is dropped we're talking about a two touchdown, one interception day from Manning.

Now, that's still not great, but it's a lot better. Those are the kinds of plays the receivers have to start making. Manning has certainly struggled, but he's not the only one on offense playing poorly. DT has way too many drops, our tight ends scare no one and get no separation, our running backs go down on the first contact, and our line can't block anyone. That's a bad combination all around.

I agree with Hillman and D.T. should have caught those balls but they didn't and the interception when you have a chance for points can't happen as well. Like I stated above when has Hillman ever caught a pass like that in the NFL?

 

[Malibu]

Just watched that Daniels play where Manning was picked off 3 times. Yes he slowed down but there were 3 guys there. No way that pass was getting to Daniels. The defense read that easily and knew it was coming.

It should say picked off in the endzone. My bad.

 

[Malibu]

The prob is the running backs 1st contact is a yard behind line of scrimmage 75% of the time. That line is getting pushed back more than I've ever witnessed Terrible.

agreed

 

[Malibu]

Well at least we all agree that the offense as a whole has to get better.

 

[randymon]

I think the majority or should prob say everyone here AND everywhere else believes that. Prob is some actually think they will. I want very badly want to be one of them but am seeing things in different light than some. Denver isn't the only winning team out there that has had major issues,etc with their O line's this yr and yet they are improving weekly. Being a Denver " homer fan " can also blind you to the facts and you then end up making excuses and put blame elsewhere instead of the obvious staring you down like a viper. I know, been there done it, still do it but in this case, with this front.... I will respectively disagree on their abilities and talent going forward. Hope that D and Mannings arm hold out.

 

[Malibu]

I think the majority or should prob say everyone here AND everywhere else believes that. Prob is some actually think they will. I want very badly want to be one of them but am seeing things in different light than some. Denver isn't the only winning team out there that has had major issues,etc with their O line's this yr and yet they are improving weekly. Being a Denver " homer fan " can also blind you to the facts and you then end up making excuses and put blame elsewhere instead of the obvious staring you down like a viper. I know, been there done it, still do it but in this case, with this front.... I will respectively disagree on their abilities and talent going forward. Hope that D and Mannings arm hold out.

Your opinion may be right and there is nothing wrong with being to much of a homer. We aren't suppose to agree on everything and that goes for everyone else. That's what make these message boards interesting. I also like to read what others think as well and for the most part the people that post on this Broncos message board seem to know what there talking about. Plus add we have CD who does a great job.

 

[SpiritOf77]

Ya know what this offense needs ???

 

[SpiritOf77]

and

 

[SpiritOf77]

.. and maybe some:

 

[WalkerBoh]

I think you're right. Osweiler, after all, is a much better fit for this offense, and he's not getting younger either. Maybe we should go with him after the bye week if Manning continues to struggle next week?

 

[58crash]

I'll break it down for you. This offensive line isn't very good. I don't care what plays or schemes you want to throw in there. If the personnel you have can't execute a simple bulking assignment, what makes you think this unit can get of their asses and execute a screen with a running back. It's not the play calling, it's the lack of execution and talent that we have on that line. Kubrick probably sees this better than you Crash. He watches them everyday in practice. He knows what he has and knows what their capable of and where they struggle. Pretty black and white to me. Don't need to see any past films. Kubrick has a very limited O line to work with period my friend

Not really this line is alright you still need to keep D's honest . We did that with Screens .. When we let Beadles go there went our Screens ... Fox wanted to go Power ...Franklin was all power ... his pulling and hitting trargets was little to be desired ! Our bead and butter was gone ..

Lets fast forwards to this year Evan Mathis Is damn well able to pull and hit targets He showed this last Sunday Juwan Thompson's 15 yard Screen kind of stopped the raiders from pinning their ears back and coming after Manning so hard .. We moved the ball a little better after that play