Goodell to hear Brady appeal

[NEPatsfan]

Goodell could have made the original ruling, but let Vincent, specifically so he could hear the appeal. If Brady really wants to go to court, that cell phone is getting subpoenaed. 4 games will stand

Brady will not have to turn over his cell phone, as this is likely going to the NLB not a civil court.

 

[TxHeat]

Goodell could have made the original ruling, but let Vincent, specifically so he could hear the appeal. If Brady really wants to go to court, that cell phone is getting subpoenaed. 4 games will stand

Not a chance. Initially I was fine with a suspension, 2, 4, whatever. But with so many errors in the report I want to see Brady come out clean. If anyone thinks Wells is truly an "independent investigator" go read up on what the Dolphins opinion of that report from last year was. Wells is nothing but a hatchet for Goofdell.

 

[Fencer]

Goodell could have made the original ruling, but let Vincent, specifically so he could hear the appeal.

Technically, that can't or shouldn't be true, since under the CBA Goodell made the original ruling personally.

I'm not saying he was wrong to have Vincent do the work and then rubber-stamp it, but technically he made the call.

(This assumes he's basically telling the truth about the work process, which is a very big and dubious assumption.)

 

[UK Cowboy]

Not a chance. Initially I was fine with a suspension, 2, 4, whatever. But with so many errors in the report I want to see Brady come out clean. If anyone thinks Wells is truly an "independent investigator" go read up on what the Dolphins opinion of that report from last year was. Wells is nothing but a hatchet for Goofdell.

There are 3 problems with what you're saying IMO. One, unless Brady brings new evidence to the table, Goodell isn't going to overturn his boy Vincent, Two, the two equipment managers have essentially been fired, meaning when Goodell interviews them a 2nd time, the gloves will be off, and third, and most important.... Brady and the Patriots are guilty. If Brady had come out at first and admitted it, there would have just been a fine. In the end, all the hyperbole wont matter because in the end, he did it

 

[NEPatsfan]

There are 3 problems with what you're saying IMO. One, unless Brady brings new evidence to the table, Goodell isn't going to overturn his boy Vincent, Two, the two equipment managers have essentially been fired, meaning when Goodell interviews them a 2nd time, the gloves will be off, and third, and most important.... Brady and the Patriots are guilty. If Brady had come out at first and admitted it, there would have just been a fine. In the end, all the hyperbole wont matter because in the end, he did it

Your post couldn't be further from the facts.

The appeal is simply a stepping stone to the NLB, and is only being done by the NFLPA because the NLB won't hear the case until the CBA process has been completed first.

They have not been fired, they have been suspended, and Wells will not have access to them as his investigation is closed.

There are currently no facts that show difinitively the Patriots and Brady committed any equipment violations in regards to the balls, and the accusations via the Wells reporst are based on assumptions on his part.

 

[TxHeat]

There are 3 problems with what you're saying IMO. One, unless Brady brings new evidence to the table, Goodell isn't going to overturn his boy Vincent, Two, the two equipment managers have essentially been fired, meaning when Goodell interviews them a 2nd time, the gloves will be off, and third, and most important.... Brady and the Patriots are guilty. If Brady had come out at first and admitted it, there would have just been a fine. In the end, all the hyperbole wont matter because in the end, he did it

So Goofdell has also decided to take on the NFLPA as well. This should be even more fun. NFLPA wanted an independent arbitrator. This will set a bad precedent for the players. So Goofdell can have his boy Vincent hand out fines, suspensions, etc and Goofdell can sit back and wait for the appeal process so he can hear the appeal? And I'm still waiting to find in all the bullshit in the report the nugget that says Brady or anyone was told to deflate footballs below the league requirement. Read Florio's recent article btw.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Your post couldn't be further from the facts.

The appeal is simply a stepping stone to the NLB, and is only being done by the NFLPA because the NLB won't hear the case until the CBA process has been completed first.

They have not been fired, they have been suspended, and Wells will not have access to them as his investigation is closed.

There are currently no facts that show difinitively the Patriots and Brady committed any equipment violations in regards to the balls, and the accusations via the Wells reporst are based on assumptions on his part.

So said the guy that said I was ''delusional'' for predicting the League would hit Brady with a 4 game suspension and the Pats with a 500,000 fine and loss of a 1st round pick. The fact that you disagree elicits a yawn

 

[NEPatsfan]

So said the guy that said I was ''delusional'' for predicting the League would hit Brady with a 4 game suspension and the Pats with a 500,000 fine and loss of a 1st round pick. The fact that you disagree elicits a yawn

Not what you said. You stated he wouldn't be playing until late Oct. then proclaimed victory based on the 4 game suspension which only goes into mid Oct with the help of the Patriots having a bye week in the middle of the suspension.

You will be wrong once the dust settles. Brady will likely win in front of the NLB and the whole suspension vacated.

 

[NEPatsfan]

So said the guy that said I was ''delusional'' for predicting the League would hit Brady with a 4 game suspension and the Pats with a 500,000 fine and loss of a 1st round pick. The fact that you disagree elicits a yawn

And another though, how about trying and refute what I listed in that post.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Not what you said. You stated he wouldn't be playing until late Oct. then proclaimed victory based on the 4 game suspension which only goes into mid Oct with the help of the Patriots having a bye week in the middle of the suspension.

You will be wrong once the dust settles. Brady will likely win in front of the NLB and the whole suspension vacated.

''Not what you said''...I just bumped it for you on the ''Pats penalty for deflategate'' thread. Just keep making a fool out of yourself Bro

 

[NEPatsfan]

''Not what you said''...I just bumped it for you on the ''Pats penalty for deflategate'' thread. Just keep making a fool out of yourself Bro

Are you the poster that said he would be out till late Oct? If so you are wrong, and you are also wrong on this prediction since he will not be serving 4 games if any at all.

 

[PatsFan2003]

The NFL has lost in the courts previously because it was felt the initial process was biased. There is already criticism about the Wells report, some legitimate, some not but likely enough to have that happen again. Having Goodell be the arbitrator makes that a slam dunk imo.

The only thing I can think of is the Brady text messages and the gambit on Goodell part to make that a hindrance for the Patriots team going forward.

Don Banks nails this again. i.e. Put away your pitchforks.

NFL Deflategate: Fans and league office must put their pitchforks away | The MMQB with Peter King

 

[WizardHawk]

4 games suspension when the punishment is what $25,000 is why this is being appealed.

But who does have an appeal for anything the league does regardless of which league it's in. It's only natural for someone to appeal.

He was not suspended for the act of deflating balls, he was suspended under the accusation of lying about it and failing to cooperate.

Had he simply admitted it he would have likely faced a 25k fine, or at worst 25k per ball and that would be that.

 

[WizardHawk]

Doesn't matter. This appeal is simply a stepping stone to the Fed level. The NFLPA is required to go through the CBA process before they can file it in with the NLB, which is where I think they are intending on bringing it.

I forget where I saw it yesterday, and post it if I can find it again, that the NFL broke the CBA when they issued the 4 game suspension by not informing and discussing it with the NFLPA first. This one violation will be more than adequate for the NLB to agree to hear the case, and it's doubtful the NFL will win in that setting.

It's the NFLPA that Goodell has to appease not Kraft.

And this line of thinking by you doesn't take into account that it is the NFLPA that is appealing, not the Patriots.

The appeal is simply a stepping stone to take it to the NLB, which by all accounts they have every intention to do if the punishment is vacated.

Do you often feel the need to respond to multiple messages with multiples of your own saying the same thing over and over and acting as though you aren't being heard when the other people aren't actually online?

Seriously

Goodell wouldn't take the "unusual" option under the CBA of hearing the appeal himself unless there was a reason to do so. I'm simply giving my opinions on it. I think this is an attempt to square up enough people to make it go away and reduce the impact on the league as a whole. Goodell's job is to expand the income of the league and stories like this hurt it no matter which side you believe. Maybe you don't see any option that puts this thing to bed, but I'm betting there is a median point where even the NFLPA doesn't pursue it any farther and getting to that point is exactly why Goodell is hearing the appeal himself.

 

[WizardHawk]

They have not been fired, they have been suspended, and Wells will not have access to them as his investigation is closed.

He didn't say Wells would interview them, he said Goodell. He's assuming that under the appeal process Goodell has the right to speak to other witnesses as necessary. I do not know if this is correct or not, but then likely neither do you.

They were suspended without pay and part of the ruling was they would have to be cleared through the NFL offices to return to working for them and would no longer be allowed to have access to game balls. You think they are going to be given jobs back only to have to still hire other people to handle the balls when that was a substantial part of their jobs to begin with?

Let's say Brady is entirely innocent for a moment. If that mantra is true then the actions by these two dipshits is a HUGE reason why your team is in a lot of hot water. Why the fuck would they be wanted back? Why would you keep these guys on the payroll at all? They entirely berated your QB and embarrassed the organization to a massive degree. There is zero reason they would come back if this is all fabricated as so many of you are suggesting.

Now, if Brady is guilty and they are in full on damage control then yes, I could see them giving these guys some other jobs for the team as a reward for taking a lot of the heat and falling on the sword of the organization. But honestly, this is the only way I can see either of these two ever working for an NFL team again.

 

[redseat]

He was not suspended for the act of deflating balls, he was suspended under the accusation of lying about it and failing to cooperate.

Had he simply admitted it he would have likely faced a 25k fine, or at worst 25k per ball and that would be that.

They can claim that's why he was suspended (and they will) but you know they are truly doing it because he supposedly deflated the balls.

 

[GenJac]

Brady will not have to turn over his cell phone, as this is likely going to the NLB not a civil court.

Kraft will invite Goodell to a $1000 dinner, wine and dine him, maybe give him a 15 year old, bingo, fine and game suspension lifted. This whole appeals issue is a joke and the results in the end were already decided.

 

[RegentDenali]

Kraft will invite Goodell to a $1000 dinner, wine and dine him, maybe give him a 15 year old, bingo, fine and game suspension lifted. This whole appeals issue is a joke and the results in the end were already decided.

Goodell makes 40+ mil a year. He can afford his own steak dinners and underage hookers if he wants. League revenues have never been higher. It's stuffing truckloads of money into each teams coffers. The owners love him cause he brings home the bacon. If Pats fans think the owners are going support Kraft over Goodell in this matter, your too blind from Krafts sack teabaging your faces.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Goodell makes 40+ mil a year. He can afford his own steak dinners and underage hookers if he wants. League revenues have never been higher. It's stuffing truckloads of money into each teams coffers. The owners love him cause he brings home the bacon. If Pats fans think the owners are going support Kraft over Goodell in this matter, your too blind from Krafts sack teabaging your faces.

Goodell has almost nothing to do with high revenue stream in recent years. Want to guess who does though? Your buddy and mine, one Mr. Robert Kraft.

Kraft is the owner most responsible for ending the players v teams dispute and getting the two sides to come to terms.

Kraft is the owner most responsible for the huge TV deals and handle the bulk of the negotiating.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

And sorry Harold et al, but this really isn't about fair punishment and really wasn't to begin with. They ARE going to strike deals because there is one thing Goodell and Kraft can entirely agree with: Whatever the outcome this can't be left to harm their product. It's all about the money. Sure, it will look like the league is less confident in Brady's guilt and they won't care. Brady might not get to claim full victory, but he will get some of it back with the concessions and will still be able to claim it was a farce (which most of their fans already agree with). Everyone is going to claim some sort of victory and the whole thing will get pushed back out of the limelight in time for mini camps.

This is big business and that will drive this process more than guilt or innocence.

Goodell will end up doing what he thinks is best for the NFL. We'll see what that turns out to be. I'll be very disappointed if Brady has his suspension reduced. Won't bother me a bit to see Goodell waive the loss of a first round pick and the fine.