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[skinsdad62]

Top Lineman Prospect Brandon Scherff Has Tools and Attitude to Dominate in NFL | Bleacher Report

for what its worth . we have had all kinds of talks about "experts " and "pundits and how they know more then a couple of cave dwelling knuckle dragging ex marine and army soldiers and how no experts believe he can be an RT.

well here in the above article i have 3 guys who helped produce nfl 1st round and other round draft picks such as gallery steinbach nelson to yanda bulaga and reif so their assessment caries some weight among st scouts and GM's

doyle , kirk and brain ferentz say this . like yanda, can bump outside with NO drop off and handle the edge
he is more athletic then yanda

he has the ability to dominate in the NFL for 8 to 10 years

he tore a minicous and played anyway

he can squat 655lbs , he can clean and hang 443 lbs ( a better indicator of NFL strength the the bench ) , he had a 7.18 cone and a 4.57 short shuttle

now he may not go at 5 , we may not get him but he would be worth that pick anyday and twice on sunday

now detractors will say "it his coaches what would they say " and that would be true however the credentials these guys carry can not be disputed as their record clearly indicates and they have produced o/lineman

as much as i like kiem , bullock , davis , mayock and any of the others they havent produced one pro o/lineman

so if knuckledraggers like shark and i arent as "qualified " as the above names the above names are not as qualified as the guys i mentioned

read the artilce , read all that he brings to the table , his character , and what his coaches say about that

i can never change yours (collectively ) or kiems or any other pundits opinion in a million years but if you pass on a guy like this because of some lame cliche ' about not drafting a OG at 5 then i say you are foolhardy

 

[j_y19]

Top Lineman Prospect Brandon Scherff Has Tools and Attitude to Dominate in NFL | Bleacher Report

for what its worth . we have had all kinds of talks about "experts " and "pundits and how they know more then a couple of cave dwelling knuckle dragging ex marine and army soldiers and how no experts believe he can be an RT.

well here in the above article i have 3 guys who helped produce nfl 1st round and other round draft picks such as gallery steinbach nelson to yanda bulaga and reif so their assessment caries some weight among st scouts and GM's

doyle , kirk and brain ferentz say this . like yanda, can bump outside with NO drop off and handle the edge
he is more athletic then yanda

he has the ability to dominate in the NFL for 8 to 10 years

he tore a minicous and played anyway

he can squat 655lbs , he can clean and hang 443 lbs ( a better indicator of NFL strength the the bench ) , he had a 7.18 cone and a 4.57 short shuttle

now he may not go at 5 , we may not get him but he would be worth that pick anyday and twice on sunday

now detractors will say "it his coaches what would they say " and that would be true however the credentials these guys carry can not be disputed as their record clearly indicates and they have produced o/lineman

as much as i like kiem , bullock , davis , mayock and any of the others they havent produced one pro o/lineman

so if knuckledraggers like shark and i arent as "qualified " as the above names the above names are not as qualified as the guys i mentioned

read the artilce , read all that he brings to the table , his character , and what his coaches say about that

i can never change yours (collectively ) or kiems or any other pundits opinion in a million years but if you pass on a guy like this because of some lame cliche ' about not drafting a OG at 5 then i say you are foolhardy

Dad, I don't think most of us question if he can be an NFL lineman or even if he should be a first round pick. I think most are just questioning if he represents the best value for us if we stay at 5.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

fuck the'value lets get this badasss

 

[Sharkinva]

fuck the'value lets get this badasss

Some times you got to pay a little more than you might want to in order to get to where you ultimately need to be.

 

[deanpet21]

I agree with jy19. From what I have read he is not an elite tackle prospect. If he was we wouldn't be having this debate. Im sure he would have a great career. He does have the intangibles. It will be interesting to see where he goes in the draft. If the Giants pass on him at #9 I think it speaks a lot of what type of player he is. Coughlin is an old school coach who values olineman if he passes on him then their are questions about this guy.

I just cant see Scherff taken over Williams, Fowler, or Cooper. If those guys are gone then MM is there for a trade. Then things get really interesting.

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree with jy19. From what I have read he is not an elite tackle prospect. If he was we wouldn't be having this debate. Im sure he would have a great career. He does have the intangibles. It will be interesting to see where he goes in the draft. If the Giants pass on him at #9 I think it speaks a lot of what type of player he is. Coughlin is an old school coach who values olineman if he passes on him then their are questions about this guy.

I just cant see Scherff taken over Williams, Fowler, or Cooper. If those guys are gone then MM is there for a trade. Then things get really interesting.

Have to disagree. Even if Scherff were considered an Elite Tackle prospect, most would be screaming you dont use a top five pick on a right tackle, and as we dont NEED a left tackle, he shouldnt be the pick. If Coughlin passes on him at #9, there will just be a few more fan bases wondering why they passed on an all pro lineman for one of the over rated pass rushers.

But like I said... IM hoping Mariota is there and we draft him at this point. If you are going to fuck it up, might as well do it with style.

 

[martinez]

I see him as a mike iupati type, I wouldn't mind him at 5.

 

[redskinsfan]

Dad, I don't think most of us question if he can be an NFL lineman or even if he should be a first round pick. I think most are just questioning if he represents the best value for us if we stay at 5.

Bingo. No one questions whether he'd a great OG (though you'd get a pretty good debate as to OT). The issue is about value at #5. There are times when teams reach for a variety of reasons. The issue is whether he's worth the reach, and we've discussed that ad nauseum.

 

[redskinsfan]

Have to disagree. Even if Scherff were considered an Elite Tackle prospect, most would be screaming you dont use a top five pick on a right tackle, and as we dont NEED a left tackle, he shouldnt be the pick. If Coughlin passes on him at #9, there will just be a few more fan bases wondering why they passed on an all pro lineman for one of the over rated pass rushers.

But like I said... IM hoping Mariota is there and we draft him at this point. If you are going to fuck it up, might as well do it with style.

Is this the "I'm taking my ball and going home" rant?

 

[redskinsfan]

I'm not going to speak on behalf of all those opposing selecting Scherff at #5, but I'll say for myself the following. When I first read about Scherff at the end of the college season, a lot of "non-expert" media was hyping Scherff as an OT that could dominate on the next level. That was incredibly heartening given the fact that the Redskins would have the number five overall pick and that we had a huge need at RT. It thus became incredibly dismaying when other respected college scouting folks came out later and opined that he was really a guard because of his issues with pass protection. That doesn't mean he won't be a dominant o-lineman / guard in the NFL and reward any team that drafts him with a cornerstone interior lineman for years to come. The issue has always been where you can really take him and whether it would be worth it take him at #5. I think it's safe to say that nearly all pundits (even those no one really respects) say that you don't take him there. There's no solace in stating this view as I believe we should dump both Chester and Lauvao.

I'll add this caveat: I'll trust what Scot wants to do here. If he takes Scherff at #5, I'll trust his judgment on that, especially knowing, as just stated above, that Scherff will be a great OG. If he passes on Scherff and keeps Chester around, maybe he and Callahan have seen something on tape where Chester's performance faltered because of that stiff Polumbus. Or, Scot could be thinking that Spencer Long may be waiting in the wings as our next OG and that we'll shore up the RT position in the draft.

Whatever the case may be, I think it's important to state these points. And they reflect the fact that we agree on most things regarding Scherff.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

we need good lineman schreff is the best lineman ummm it ant rocket science people

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

and once again givemurphy and jeffcoat a chance drafting a olb at 5 your telling murphey and jeffcoat to fuck off

 

[Stymietee]

and once again givemurphy and jeffcoat a chance drafting a olb at 5 your telling murphey and jeffcoat to fuck off

Maybe you can help me with smething that's been puzzling me since our attenton has turned to the draft. I've tried to do some backtracking but so far stiil can't figure out the source. Where did this team get locked into being projected as focused on OLB? Is this the whole Brian Orakpo signing elsewhere thing? Thanks!

 

[j_y19]

Maybe you can help me with smething that's been puzzling me since our attenton has turned to the draft. I've tried to do some backtracking but so far stiil can't figure out the source. Where did this team get locked into being projected as focused on OLB? Is this the whole Brian Orakpo signing elsewhere thing? Thanks!

None of us know if the team is focused on an OLB. All we know is that SM has unequivocally stated that he will pick the BPA regardless of position. Most pundits have an OLB slated as BPA at 5. It could just as easily be a WR, QB, or OT.

 

[Sharkinva]

Is this the "I'm taking my ball and going home" rant?

Its my way of saying I am accepting the decision of the herd. And as the herd has deemed that Scherff is not worthy of the #5 pick, and I think all of the pass rushers are over rated, the WRs would be a luxury pick. IM trying to make the best out of the pick. SO as I expect Williams to not be there, Im hoping Mariota is and we can just draft him, trade RG3 for a 4th rounder to the Browns and move forward already.

 

[deanpet21]

I cant see how you would be upset with Cooper. With Garcon probably getting cut in 2016 it makes perfect sense. Plus Jackson is injury prone. Time to give the offense more weapons. Cooper is the safest pick in this draft. I cant see the Raiders passing on him but its the Raiders so maybe they will. Assuming the 2 qb's go in the top 2 we still get Williams, Cooper, or Fowler at the #5. I don't know how anyone would be upset with that.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Maybe you can help me with smething that's been puzzling me since our attenton has turned to the draft. I've tried to do some backtracking but so far stiil can't figure out the source. Where did this team get locked into being projected as focused on OLB? Is this the whole Brian Orakpo signing elsewhere thing? Thanks!

i think people areare saying since we lost orakpo we will draft olb at 5 his my issue with that we will lock kerrigan down with a'big contract and if we draft a olb at in 3 years that guy would want a big pay day im sure kerrigan will get 12 million plus now if you get fowler if he kicksass ne would want 12 million plus so do we in 3 years pay 24 plus million on to olb pass rushers or do you leave the rackpo spot open for cheap blue'collar guys

 

[deanpet21]

#5 draft pick is a 5 year deal.

 

[Sharkinva]

#5 draft pick is a 5 year deal.

Actually its a 4 year deal with a 5th year OPTION. But that would be the same for any player we took at #5.

 

[skinsdad62]

man if i hear that lame value pitch again i am going to throw up. for the love of god getting a dominate o/lineman IS value