Football Pundits, Scouts and Analysis. Who do you trust?

[Caliskinsfan]

So I'm curious with the draft coming up and all the info flying.

Who and where do you listen/watch for football analysis and information for draft info?

This is my first year being pretty active reading, listening and watching football analysis going into the draft.

It's been quite interesting and a lot more fun than I expected.

I've always previously waited until after the draft to start looking into players that we've selected. But I now understand why so many like this time of year.

I've really liked

Ross Tucker Podcasts with Greg Cosell
John Keim For Redskin specific analysis
Mark Bullock for film breakdown
Steve Shoup
Hogs Haven
John Brenkus, sports science


Wondering who you think is the most credible of the Draft pundits? I haven't spent much time listening to them. Seems like most have respect for Mayock over Kiper. How about Walter Football? McShay?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Here's a site that assesses a draft scorecard for accuracy. Looks like the best is 8 correct players.

Given all the variables, sounds pretty good to me

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml

 

[redskinsfan]

I really like Keim and Bullock off of your list the most. The key things to keep in mind is not to judge pundits / analysts by their picks alone but why they reached those conclusions. Indeed, sometimes draft projections falter because there are certain unforeseen things pundits / analysts can't factor in such as injuries and off-field behavior where there's been no history of that to indicate those will be issues in the future. In addition, players don't always make the best draft guys, and non-players can be really insightful.

 

[Sharkinva]

To a degree I can respect a Pundits opinion of a player as far as how well he will and wont do. But when it comes to ranking and rating where a player will or should go, I actually dont trust a one of them. Because in general they all tend to say the same thing, and 60% of their predictions are not based off of how well they think a guy will do in the NFL so much as team needs. So when 90% of the planet suddenly names Jamies Winston the best player in this draft and it just happens that the team with the #1 pick is in desperate need of a QB, you have to start questioning the validity of Winston actually being the best player in this draft. I dare say if Tampa HAD a franchise QB, would Willaims all of a sudden top boards??

 

[skinsdad62]

pundits and such are good starting points and i like kiem and bullock very much but they arent the end all and be all i take in shoups opinions but rarely agree with him , and cossell is fairly decent

but kiem and bullock are beat writers although i love the breakdowns they publish and use that as evidence often

but again they are wrong from time to time

so i trust me when i have researched things . the next draft i may not be nearly as informed

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I really liked Ross Tucker's Oline prospect podcast. Since he was an Olineman, he offered some major insight to those positions for me, add to that, Greg Cosells additional film breakdown and it was a great listen.

And Btw, Tucker and Cosell really liked Scherff and both weren't that impressed with Ereck Flowers. I'll be interested to see how that plays out, long term.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I'm really looking for who yall listen/watch and read outside of who I've mentioned. Trying to garner more resources from those of you that have been at this a lot longer than I have.

 

[skinsdad62]

I really liked Ross Tucker's Oline prospect podcast. Since he was an Olineman, he offered some major insight to those positions for me, add to that, Greg Cosells additional film breakdown and it was a great listen.

And Btw, Tucker and Cosell really liked Scherff and both weren't that impressed with Ereck Flowers. I'll be interested to see how that plays out, long term.

pass that along to redskinsfan

 

[Sharkinva]

pass that along to redskinsfan

 

[j_y19]

I'm ok with a lot of these guys when it comes to analyzing players. They have access to information and people you or I will never have, hence they get a bigger picture of the player than just watching highlight films. However, when it comes to mocking a draft, that it just a pure joke. After about the 2nd pick (and sometimes the first) all mocks can be thrown out the window.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Agree when it comes to mocks. I'd actually like to see more positional top 5 rankings. Those seem more useful to me. Way to much going on behind the scenes for any 'mock' predictions to be reliable or accurate.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm ok with a lot of these guys when it comes to analyzing players. They have access to information and people you or I will never have, hence they get a bigger picture of the player than just watching highlight films. However, when it comes to mocking a draft, that it just a pure joke. After about the 2nd pick (and sometimes the first) all mocks can be thrown out the window.

I would have more respect for the Mock draft process and the big boards process if in fact it was not highly connected to the team needs aspect. I had more respect for Kiper And McShay when they simply did a mock and said this is what I think each team will take, its based mostly on team needs, and here is what I see from each player.

Now they try and throw out the whole aspect of this team will take this player and hence this player is rated the X best player in this draft and then try and justify the idea that team needs had little or nothing to do with why they put this player in slot #X.

 

[redskinsfan]

I really liked Ross Tucker's Oline prospect podcast. Since he was an Olineman, he offered some major insight to those positions for me, add to that, Greg Cosells additional film breakdown and it was a great listen.

And Btw, Tucker and Cosell really liked Scherff and both weren't that impressed with Ereck Flowers. I'll be interested to see how that plays out, long term.

For my good Redskins brothers, Shark and Dad, my position hasn't ever been that I don't like Scherff. It's just that I don't think he's an OT, but instead is an OG. Cosell echoes this point. 2015 NFL Draft: Greg Cosell dishes on the draft's offensive linemen - Big Blue View He also noted that Scherff wasn't a great athlete.
And here's a Tucker retweet that reflects his view on Scherff, which is one tamping down the hype on him.
As I've said beore, I'd love to have Scherff anywhere between 10 to 15. He's the best o-lineman and is one of the safest picks in the draft. But my point has always been about the OG vs. OT distinction. And I believe Cosell and Tucker back me up on this point.

 

[redskinsfan]

I'm ok with a lot of these guys when it comes to analyzing players. They have access to information and people you or I will never have, hence they get a bigger picture of the player than just watching highlight films. However, when it comes to mocking a draft, that it just a pure joke. After about the 2nd pick (and sometimes the first) all mocks can be thrown out the window.

Agreed. A big board is a pure ranking of BPAs. A mock draft is one based on BPA but qualified for need and, in particular, a team's perception of need. And, of course, it can't really foresee trades, which can bust a mock like a Cinderella does to a NCAA bracket when it upsets a top-seeded team. Having said that, sometimes mocks can be a good thumbnail sketch of a big board. It just depends on the year and team needs in the draft.

 

[redskinsfan]

To be fair to Scherff, the Maryland game may be an outlier. He blew chunks that game but apparently came off of a knee scope. Whether and how much that affected him is a big question. But I don't think he had other stinkers like that. Still, some of the flaws that showed up that game were present in his play in others, hence the prevailing view that his pass pro needs work and that he's best suited for being a guard.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

If anyone's interested, here's a link to the podcasts

http://podcastone.com/Ross-Tucker-Football-Podcast

 

[Stymietee]

j_y19 pretty much summed it up for me, however, because it all comes down to how we entertain ourselves, my interest lies in the live give and take found on in the moment shows and boards such as this. In essence, any good AM/FM (XM) radio show, TV broadcast, or the SportsHoopla does it for me.Specific to your question, In this area the radio shows are 980 AM and 106.7 FM and a number of them on XM.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I gotta go with Dad. In Dad we trust.