Paea signs 4yr $20M

[skinsdad62]

people dont want to give guys a chance . and that is a problem our owner has

 

[Ritzarmy]

Rg3 was responsible for a lot of those sacks. He held on to the ball too long and ran into sacks. You cant deny that. You cant just give up on a 3rd round player. IF you want a guard so bad, AJ Cann from South Carolina will be there in the 2nd round. Plus we have a different oline coach this year. Im not writing off Long and Moses by no means.

You don't succeed in the NFL by not taking the best player available. Now do I believe we have more pressing need at DT then at WR...yes I do but I still would take WR Cooper over someone ranked lower. Lets say McCloughan has the same big board as Kiper. 1. DE Williams 2. QB Crab Legs 3. WR Cooper 4. WR White 5. DE Fowler 6. QB MM 7. DT Shelton 8. OT Scherff 9. OLB Ray 10. OLB Beasley. Your saying you would take the 7th best player on this board over the #3? I am taking the BPA when it comes draft time. McCloughan hopefully has a plan and I give him 3 years to show it.

 

[j_y19]

You don't succeed in the NFL by not taking the best player available. Now do I believe we have more pressing need at DT then at WR...yes I do but I still would take WR Cooper over someone ranked lower. Lets say McCloughan has the same big board as Kiper. 1. DE Williams 2. QB Crab Legs 3. WR Cooper 4. WR White 5. DE Fowler 6. QB MM 7. DT Shelton 8. OT Scherff 9. OLB Ray 10. OLB Beasley. Your saying you would take the 7th best player on this board over the #3? I am taking the BPA when it comes draft time. McCloughan hopefully has a plan and I give him 3 years to show it.

Amen. This isn't saying that we don't need to upgrade the OL. It's more about maximizing the impact of every pick you have. If the BPA is OL, take him. If he's an OLB, take him. If he's a WR, take him. The draft is not about solving immediate problems, per se, but about building a team for the long term. There is a good possibility that garçon will be gone after this year. If we have a chance to find his replacement with a guy that can be a game changer and lock him up for a minimum of 5 years at a bargain price, of course you do that.

 

[Sharkinva]

people dont want to give guys a chance . and that is a problem our owner has

Skinsdad... this isnt the 1940's where you get 12 draft picks and 7 years to develop a guy because you have a roster of 75 guys and can stash players on IR because they have a hang nail. You yourself give guys three years to develop. But when the starter in front of them suckz moose balls and yet they still cant get a sniff of playing time at the ass end of a completely wasted season.... you seriously need to start wondering whats wrong with this guy. Chris Chester was a turnstile last year, we all know this. Shit Christopher Reeves could have accidentally blocked better from his grave, and yet Long was so stellar that we never saw him.

 

[Sharkinva]

Amen. This isn't saying that we don't need to upgrade the OL. It's more about maximizing the impact of every pick you have. If the BPA is OL, take him. If he's an OLB, take him. If he's a WR, take him. The draft is not about solving immediate problems, per se, but about building a team for the long term. There is a good possibility that garçon will be gone after this year. If we have a chance to find his replacement with a guy that can be a game changer and lock him up for a minimum of 5 years at a bargain price, of course you do that.

I will simply ask again... what good is a stud WR if your QB is on his ass or running for his life 1.9 seconds after the ball is snapped?? Give any QB enough time in the pocket and if he is remotely accurate he will shred a defense no matter who the WRs are.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Amen. This isn't saying that we don't need to upgrade the OL. It's more about maximizing the impact of every pick you have. If the BPA is OL, take him. If he's an OLB, take him. If he's a WR, take him. The draft is not about solving immediate problems, per se, but about building a team for the long term. There is a good possibility that garçon will be gone after this year. If we have a chance to find his replacement with a guy that can be a game changer and lock him up for a minimum of 5 years at a bargain price, of course you do that.

I would love to take a OT,RG with our first pick but the value isn't there. I do like DT Shelton and believe he could really help our team but I am taking the better player on the draft board. Maybe that will be Shelton we don't know. Scot M. is working is magic now in reviewing tape so only time will tell who we take. I am still hoping for a trade that nets us extra picks to move back and able to select someone like OT Flowers or S Collins where there value equals where we draft from.

 

[j_y19]

I will simply ask again... what good is a stud WR if your QB is on his ass or running for his life 1.9 seconds after the ball is snapped?? Give any QB enough time in the pocket and if he is remotely accurate he will shred a defense no matter who the WRs are.

How many of RG3s sacks happened quicker than 1.9 seconds? Was that really the problem? I'll answer it for you. No. How do we know? Because Cousins didn't have that issue behind the same line. Do we need to upgradecthecline? Yes. We just don't need to reach to do it and we don't have to do it all this year.

 

[j_y19]

I would love to take a OT,RG with our first pick but the value isn't there. I do like DT Shelton and believe he could really help our team but I am taking the better player on the draft board. Maybe that will be Shelton we don't know. Scot M. is working is magic now in reviewing tape so only time will tell who we take. I am still hoping for a trade that nets us extra picks to move back and able to select someone like OT Flowers or S Collins where there value equals where we draft from.

I would be very happy with that trade down scenario and the picks.

 

[Ritzarmy]

I will simply ask again... what good is a stud WR if your QB is on his ass or running for his life 1.9 seconds after the ball is snapped?? Give any QB enough time in the pocket and if he is remotely accurate he will shred a defense no matter who the WRs are.

Yes you are correct but there isn't any o-lineman worthy of taking #5. Why take a QB if your o-line sucks then? Why draft a CB/S if you don't have a D-Line to cause pressure? Why draft a RB if the o-line sucks? The list goes on when you have multiple needs. You take the BPA when drafting and work on individual problems of need. Your logic is that we pass on Calvin Johnson so we can draft (insert best LT in NFL). No you we address needs through free agency and BPA through draft.

 

[Ritzarmy]

people dont want to give guys a chance . and that is a problem our owner has

I will give you a chance Dad even if the problem is the Mod.

Ps. I am joking

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad... this isnt the 1940's where you get 12 draft picks and 7 years to develop a guy because you have a roster of 75 guys and can stash players on IR because they have a hang nail. You yourself give guys three years to develop. But when the starter in front of them suckz moose balls and yet they still cant get a sniff of playing time at the ass end of a completely wasted season.... you seriously need to start wondering whats wrong with this guy. Chris Chester was a turnstile last year, we all know this. Shit Christopher Reeves could have accidentally blocked better from his grave, and yet Long was so stellar that we never saw him.

shark , lets get of exaggeration alley and get to the real shall we . no one is remotely asking for 7 years . i ask that we look at the round the guy was taken and be realistic about what a typical draft pick should be at .

first off morgan appears to be in a bind because of injury . smith ate him up but he wasnt ready for that . long was coming off an ACL tear . chester was a turnstyle however his coach felt his experience was needed and foerster wasnt exactly a top line O/line coach

both long and moses could be busts . or one or both could be starters too early to tell but you need to invest the time to find out . niles paul came around in yr 3 /4 when he got the chance and he is a 6th rounder

and for years i said build the LOS since the JC days and the refrain i got was a great qb makes up for that well if you build the LOS then you dont need a great qb , perhaps a good one will do

i spent 3 years telling you Rg3 needed better pass protection and it fell on your deaf ears and now you are on the o/line or bust bandwagon ?

what happened the past 11 years dont mean squat we have a new, respected GM and he found o/lineman in other rounds other then round one

look we can just as easily get a NT in those other rounds too

to me it all comes down to taking the BPA that fills a need if value is there

i dont care about drafting o/lineman to prove Rg3 is a bust . i care about drafting o/lineman because its the right thing to do

i dont expect us to have a winning season . sorry but we dont have the talent to be much more the 6-10

i am sorry but you are going to have to invest the time in allowing the team to build up its talent

we need to get playmakers , blue chippers from the draft not a need filler who busts out after 2 years

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad... first Im on the oline or bust kick because you finally won me over. We do need to improve the line.

I thought from day one Griffin would be a bust, but the logic was we gave up four picks to draft him because he was good enough to make up for the lack of talent around him... apparently he isnt.

Im not saying cut Long or the red sea. But to go into the season and think either of these guys are the answer is basically admitting we are throwing our name into the hat for Cardale next year.

to me it all comes down to taking the BPA that fills a need if value is there

To me this sounds like a well if the moon is full and the rotation of the earth happens to be in the right alignment to see Mars with the naked eye. Very rarely do the stars line up.

I agree with the BPA in a position of need. But value is a subjective thing. After all, to you or me a $100 bill has value, but to my dog its just something else to chew into shreds.

 

[skinsdad62]

my gut tells me to take scherf because when its all said and done he will be a great OG and in 10 years we will have been happy we made the pick

 

[Sharkinva]

my gut tells me to take scherf because when its all said and done he will be a great OG and in 10 years we will have been happy we made the pick

And my gut tells me if we dont fix the line, we will be in the Cardale Jones hunt next year which basically equals

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I agree with the BPA in a position of need. But value is a subjective thing. After all, to you or me a $100 bill has value, but to my dog its just something else to chew into shreds.

It's not that complicated. You pick players based on how they are rated on your draft board. You don't take a player you have rated at 15 with the 5th pick. End of story.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

and for years i said build the LOS since the JC days and the refrain i got was a great qb makes up for that well if you build the LOS then you dont need a great qb , perhaps a good one will do

I will defend the idea of trading up for Griffin until the day I die. All you have to do is look at a Rams team that has been stockpiling high draft picks to improve their roster. They've been doing for years now and still don't have a winning season to show for it. The reason: the QB position is holding them back, just as it is in Cincy where they have as good a 52 man roster as there is in the AFC.

Now you look at the Colts, and the 2012 Redskins. Neither have, or had, an even average OL But their QB play took them into the playoffs. Mathew Stafford is considered a "good" QB, so is Daulton and many others that never seem to get it done. Sure Flacco is the exception but he is also the Jeter of the NFL who magically transforms himself come playoff time. He may not be great but there is no doubt he plays great in the playoffs, not average, not mearely good. He plays great and they win. He plays good and they lose.

 

[deanpet21]

Great points DGfan. What is your opinion about Waynes?

 

[martinez]

I will defend the idea of trading up for Griffin until the day I die. All you have to do is look at a Rams team that has been stockpiling high draft picks to improve their roster. They've been doing for years now and still don't have a winning season to show for it. The reason: the QB position is holding them back, just as it is in Cincy where they have as good a 52 man roster as there is in the AFC.

Now you look at the Colts, and the 2012 Redskins. Neither have, or had, an even average OL But their QB play took them into the playoffs. Mathew Stafford is considered a "good" QB, so is Daulton and many others that never seem to get it done. Sure Flacco is the exception but he is also the Jeter of the NFL who magically transforms himself come playoff time. He may not be great but there is no doubt he plays great in the playoffs, not average, not mearely good. He plays great and they win. He plays good and they lose.

i wasnt a fan of the trade when it happened but this is a great argument.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

If my post was so good then where are my thumbs up thingies to show for it.

Waynes? Well corner is certainly a need. I don't have a big board but the ones I see don't have Waynes near the 5 spot so no I don't want him at 5.

 

[BeaReylo]

Here are some theories on how Paea could be used here.
Stephen Paea and the Redskins' 3-4 Under Defense

Part of the reasons he signed here is the flexibility in Barry's schemes. Plus Joe was keen on him because he is similiar to San Diego's Nose Tackle.