Can't Be True About Manning... Right?

[redseat]

I've been hearing on the radio (granted it is in New England) but the Broncos might not even want Peyton Manning back?

That can't be true right? I get he is due a lot of money and the Broncos needs to free up some money to resign both Thomas's if they so chose to but how would letting Manning go make them better?

I am not trolling or trying to, just want to know from the Denver crowd who actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to Manning

 

[WalkerBoh]

Silly season rumors courtesy of Bleacher Report.

 

[redseat]

It wasn't from bleacher report from what I heard... I am sure they had in a hand in it however.

But yeah, I was driving home from work and I almost swerved off the road is laughter when I heard people saying the Broncos didn't want him back.

 

[Broncosballer32]

I've been hearing on the radio (granted it is in New England) but the Broncos might not even want Peyton Manning back?

That can't be true right? I get he is due a lot of money and the Broncos needs to free up some money to resign both Thomas's if they so chose to but how would letting Manning go make them better?

I am not trolling or trying to, just want to know from the Denver crowd who actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to Manning

Well a few things have been made abundantly clear in regards to Manning. One, he looks as though he is done. Ok?

Also, with the stretch run offense, it is very dependent on a bootleg style QB. Manning CANNOT do that. Maybe, just maybe in his younger years.


The stretch run offense depends on a QB who takes a majority of the snaps under center where the RB is behind them. The only real version of a "running game" with Manning last year was a glorified draw play with no FB where the RB would run to the one or two hole. It would catch teams in nickel type packages and it would pick up yards.

That is not a real running game. The Broncos are changing their entire philosophy to one that is predicated on balance. Not a pass happy team that gets the fantasy football geeks all excited. BTW, it is that formula that is better suited to winning championships.


Manning, in the last half of the season was that bad. People may use the injured quad thing, well I do not buy it. One, that quad was not injured against the Rams, it sure as hell was not injured during the super bowl embarrassment. He did not walk with any kind of limp in his gate. I personally think he used that as an excuse avoid playing in the pathetic pro bowl.

Yes, there are Broncos fans that would like to see him retire. We are all very thankful for 3 seasons of excitement, but I am trying to figure out how the offense would actually look with Manning in a stretch run west coast offense.

 

[{+}Mother-Marge{+}]

.....he ain't walking away from $19/20 million in 2015,........but........do the Broncos wanna ~roll-the-dice~ .....one more year...?......hey......mallett's a free agent...!

 

[TxHeat]

I can't believe we've heard the last 'OMAHA'.

 

[PatsFan2003]

I've been hearing on the radio (granted it is in New England) but the Broncos might not even want Peyton Manning back?

That can't be true right? I get he is due a lot of money and the Broncos needs to free up some money to resign both Thomas's if they so chose to but how would letting Manning go make them better?

I am not trolling or trying to, just want to know from the Denver crowd who actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to Manning

There has to be SOMEONE in the Bronco's organization that is "concerned". Who wouldn't be.

He was terrible in the 2nd half. IF it was because of injuries it's one thing but how are you going to know?

Even if he's healthy he's not the player he used to be. Of if he is healthy he's better than 80-90% of the other QBs in the league.

It's a big risk.

 

[WalkerBoh]

.....he ain't walking away from $19/20 million in 2015,........but........do the Broncos wanna ~roll-the-dice~ .....one more year...?......hey......mallett's a free agent...!

That's chump change compared to what he makes in endorsements. That $19 MM won't be much of a factor.

You guys can have Mallet.

 

[Broncosr0k]

Manning, in the last half of the season was that bad. People may use the injured quad thing, well I do not buy it. One, that quad was not injured against the Rams, it sure as hell was not injured during the super bowl embarrassment. He did not walk with any kind of limp in his gate. I personally think he used that as an excuse avoid playing in the pathetic pro bowl.

If you want to look at the pats, rams, and SB games then really look at them. In 2013, our team was soft as can be. When we did play a physical team they beat us soundly. So it should not really have been much of a surprise when we go against one of the most physical in the SB. Our receivers like to quit when they get pressed at the line and considering Manningball is timing based, the press coverage ruins the offense. Throw in the pass rush in some of those games and we get wrecked.

In the rams and pats game this past season, the team went so 1 dimensional teams only had to guard against pass. In the rams game we ran it 9 freakin' times.

You should be more worried about a team that has no fight than whether Manning is still good. The broncos the last few years got riled up to beat the shitty raiders but could not manage to give a single fuck against the better teams. The bengals game should have locked up the 2 seed, instead we slept walk through the game. The colts were not as talented as the broncos this year and we managed to do nothing.

If you are going to throw Manning under the bus you better throw a lot of this team under it. The coaches of 2014 failed in game planning and motivation, the receivers were still a little soft, the o-line got worked over, pass rushers disappeared when we needed them.

I am not going to say Manning isn't declining but there is so much more to this team that needs fixed before we freak out over the QB.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Well a few things have been made abundantly clear in regards to Manning. One, he looks as though he is done. Ok?

Also, with the stretch run offense, it is very dependent on a bootleg style QB. Manning CANNOT do that. Maybe, just maybe in his younger years.


The stretch run offense depends on a QB who takes a majority of the snaps under center where the RB is behind them. The only real version of a "running game" with Manning last year was a glorified draw play with no FB where the RB would run to the one or two hole. It would catch teams in nickel type packages and it would pick up yards.

That is not a real running game. The Broncos are changing their entire philosophy to one that is predicated on balance. Not a pass happy team that gets the fantasy football geeks all excited. BTW, it is that formula that is better suited to winning championships.


Manning, in the last half of the season was that bad. People may use the injured quad thing, well I do not buy it. One, that quad was not injured against the Rams, it sure as hell was not injured during the super bowl embarrassment. He did not walk with any kind of limp in his gate. I personally think he used that as an excuse avoid playing in the pathetic pro bowl.

Yes, there are Broncos fans that would like to see him retire. We are all very thankful for 3 seasons of excitement, but I am trying to figure out how the offense would actually look with Manning in a stretch run west coast offense.

If the issue is as straight forward as you suggest, then the Broncos will simply wait until after Manning's neck is examined and he decides whether or not to play another year. If he does decide to play another year, then Elway will simply cut the washed up QB who doesn't fit the offense. No brainer, right?

Personally, I don't think that the issue is quite that straight forward. Rather, I expect that, if Manning does decide to return next year, then Denver will roll with him and run an offense that accommodates his deficiencies rather than go all in on Osweiler leading Kubiak's entirely new offense.

 

[TxHeat]

That's chump change compared to what he makes in endorsements. That $19 MM won't be much of a factor.

You guys can have Mallet.

He's Houston's problem.

 

[Broncosballer32]

If the issue is as straight forward as you suggest, then the Broncos will simply wait until after Manning's neck is examined and he decides whether or not to play another year. If he does decide to play another year, then Elway will simply cut the washed up QB who doesn't fit the offense. No brainer, right?

Personally, I don't think that the issue is quite that straight forward. Rather, I expect that, if Manning does decide to return next year, then Denver will roll with him and run an offense that accommodates his deficiencies rather than go all in on Osweiler leading Kubiak's entirely new offense.

If Manning does decide to return AND he passes his physical AND he will be in fact playing....(one?) another season, then the Kubiak balanced bootleg stretch run offense will be put on hold, so to speak. Although, a version of it will certainly be implemented I would assume.

I guess my issue is we have no idea what is going on. I mean if he does come back will it be for ONE more season? Two more?

Either way, we as fans think of the here and now, and the future. Manning is obviously not part of the long term plan. We as fans ought to have some clue by the hiring of Kubiak what the long term plans are. It is a balanced offense and it is the stretch run offense that we all know so well.

I guess my thinking is Manning has displayed conclusively to me that he is not what he was. He certainyl seemed to hit a wall. He was inconsistent all season this year and it really just came to a grinding halt in the play off game.

I mean is Kubiak going to really hold off on implementing the nomenclature of the stretch run for a season or two until Manning retires?

I am ready at this point to get on with it. I am ready to see the new offense implemented. Am I confident in Osweiler to run it? Far from it, I will say that. I am just ready for the team to not be in such limbo right now. Cause until Manning decides we are only in one kind of limbo. If he returns (which looks more and more like he is) then that is an entirely new type of limbo that could last 2 seasons.

At this point, based on what I saw out of Manning basically the whole season, the super bowl and what we saw in the play off game, I am not confident he could run his style of offense, let alone a stretch run offense.

 

[Wamu]

I've been hearing on the radio (granted it is in New England) but the Broncos might not even want Peyton Manning back?

That can't be true right? I get he is due a lot of money and the Broncos needs to free up some money to resign both Thomas's if they so chose to but how would letting Manning go make them better?

I am not trolling or trying to, just want to know from the Denver crowd who actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to Manning

I live in Boulder, there's no talk that the Broncos don't want Peyton back. That so-called story is nothing more than made-up nonsense.

 

[TDs3nOut]

If Manning does decide to return AND he passes his physical AND he will be in fact playing....(one?) another season, then the Kubiak balanced bootleg stretch run offense will be put on hold, so to speak. Although, a version of it will certainly be implemented I would assume.

I guess my issue is we have no idea what is going on. I mean if he does come back will it be for ONE more season? Two more?

Either way, we as fans think of the here and now, and the future. Manning is obviously not part of the long term plan. We as fans ought to have some clue by the hiring of Kubiak what the long term plans are. It is a balanced offense and it is the stretch run offense that we all know so well.

I guess my thinking is Manning has displayed conclusively to me that he is not what he was. He certainyl seemed to hit a wall. He was inconsistent all season this year and it really just came to a grinding halt in the play off game.

I mean is Kubiak going to really hold off on implementing the nomenclature of the stretch run for a season or two until Manning retires?

I am ready at this point to get on with it. I am ready to see the new offense implemented. Am I confident in Osweiler to run it? Far from it, I will say that. I am just ready for the team to not be in such limbo right now. Cause until Manning decides we are only in one kind of limbo. If he returns (which looks more and more like he is) then that is an entirely new type of limbo that could last 2 seasons.

At this point, based on what I saw out of Manning basically the whole season, the super bowl and what we saw in the play off game, I am not confident he could run his style of offense, let alone a stretch run offense.

I understand and share your concerns, BB. Like you, I am also a fan of the old offense that Shanahan and Kubiak had a quite a bit of success with. Still, tough for me to ignore the implications of your two highlighted sentences above.

I really think that as much respect as Elway has for Manning, Elway has even more respect for his responsibility to field the team that in his judgement gives Denver its best chance to contend. Definitely some tough decisions upcoming and how things shake out is very unclear.

 

[TDs3nOut]

I live in Boulder, there's no talk that the Broncos don't want Peyton back. That so-called story is nothing more than made-up nonsense.

Elway is on record as having said that he wants Manning to return if Manning wants to play another season. Kubiak is also on record as saying that he is willing to tailor his offense, which is obviously not a system that best fits Manning's strengths, to Manning.

Still, questions about whether Manning's skills are deteriorating and whether it's in Denver's best interest to move on without Manning and fully implement Kubiak's offense are, in my opinion, a bit more than just "made-up nonsense". Seems to me a pretty complicated set of issues.

 

[grim rpr]

its all NON SENSE .. Elway is a straight shooter, if he wanted Manning gone WHICH HE WOULD BE THE ONE MAKING THAT DECISION FOR THE BRONCOS not counting Manning himself, he would have been very vague about it all.. He has not been, he has said numerous times he wants him back.. This should all be yesterdays news very soon.. as for the whole bootleg thing.. Kubiak knows more than just 1 and done.. He is very smart and um... so is manning and how to run offenses

 

[Broncosballer32]

its all NON SENSE .. Elway is a straight shooter, if he wanted Manning gone WHICH HE WOULD BE THE ONE MAKING THAT DECISION FOR THE BRONCOS not counting Manning himself, he would have been very vague about it all.. He has not been, he has said numerous times he wants him back.. This should all be yesterdays news very soon.. as for the whole bootleg thing.. Kubiak knows more than just 1 and done.. He is very smart and um... so is manning and how to run offenses

Well, if they are going to run the same thing that they have been running, then I am not so sure why there was a coaching change, what the difference in opinion was between Fox and Elway in regards to taking it to the next level or why Elway would hire Kubiak whose system he is all too familiar with.

Elway hiring Kubiak is the biggest sign of which direction he believes the team needs to go in order to build a championship. I am guessing he is thinking BALANCE. That is the key with Kubiak. Not so much the stretch run west coast system, but BALANCE. When I say balance, I am talking about an offense that has the QB under center more than in shotgun.

That, is not Manning. Plus, I am not sure if you watched like we all watched the absolute disgusting play Manning was engaged in. Now, you may buy into the injured quad thing. Look, if it was as injured as they inferred after the Colts game, then how in the world is there no limping in his gate? He was not limping in the game. They claimed he injured it on Dec. 16th which was one month AFTER the abortion against the Rams. There was no talk about his quad in the super bowl where he played WORSE than he did against the Colts.

So, what I cannot tell is this from Broncos fans. Do you want the Manning system that we have seen for 3 seasons that have put up great fantasy football numbers cause you believe Manning's display during the second half of the season was an anomaly? You believe Manning can just light it up and pass for 5000 yards with the offense being in shotgun 65% of the plays? You think Manning will be comfortable under center with at lease one RB behind him?

I am confused at this point. I am confused about what I want. I confused how I think about Manning. I am confused what offense I want him to run. What I am not confused about is the type of offense that does typically win it all, and it is not what Manning has been running for the last 3 seasons, even though it has brought great success.

I.....just....do...not....know.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

If Manning does decide to return AND he passes his physical AND he will be in fact playing....(one?) another season, then the Kubiak balanced bootleg stretch run offense will be put on hold, so to speak. Although, a version of it will certainly be implemented I would assume.

I guess my issue is we have no idea what is going on. I mean if he does come back will it be for ONE more season? Two more?

Either way, we as fans think of the here and now, and the future. Manning is obviously not part of the long term plan. We as fans ought to have some clue by the hiring of Kubiak what the long term plans are. It is a balanced offense and it is the stretch run offense that we all know so well.

I guess my thinking is Manning has displayed conclusively to me that he is not what he was. He certainyl seemed to hit a wall. He was inconsistent all season this year and it really just came to a grinding halt in the play off game.

I mean is Kubiak going to really hold off on implementing the nomenclature of the stretch run for a season or two until Manning retires?

I am ready at this point to get on with it. I am ready to see the new offense implemented. Am I confident in Osweiler to run it? Far from it, I will say that. I am just ready for the team to not be in such limbo right now. Cause until Manning decides we are only in one kind of limbo. If he returns (which looks more and more like he is) then that is an entirely new type of limbo that could last 2 seasons.

At this point, based on what I saw out of Manning basically the whole season, the super bowl and what we saw in the play off game, I am not confident he could run his style of offense, let alone a stretch run offense.

You make some good points.

Not to take down what Manning has built...he's a 1st ballot HOFer when ever he's eligible.

Is he done? No. But, I really think PM has taken the Broncos as far as he can with the way he wants to play the game...if he comes back, they will probably win 11+ games again and be in the mix, but his style of play and what Kubiak wants to run are not the same.

 

[cdumler7]

I found an article that I posted in another spot that showed having a franchise quarterback at franchise quarterback money hasn't done well in the past for teams. Almost every single high paid quarterback that has won the Super Bowl has done so before they got the huge pay day. Most of them were under 10% of the Cap Space. A Super Bowl just jumps up price big time for these guys and limits a team's ability to build great depth and afford quality starters to surround the player with.

Having said all that I am torn. I do think Manning can come back and give us a great shot at a title but at the same time I do wonder if we have seen the highest of his ability to take this team to where he has and unfortunately that is short of a championship. I keep thinking what the Broncos could do with that extra $16 or so million in extra cap space. That could be them signing Suh to add some real nastiness to our DL or that could be us signing two very high quality OL players on top of our own FA's that we want to resign. So then that would mean either we have one of the most loaded defenses or we go from one of the worst OL's in football to possibly one of the better in a real hurry and give Osweiler a nice chance to succeed with a strong running game and some great protection up front.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I found an article that I posted in another spot that showed having a franchise quarterback at franchise quarterback money hasn't done well in the past for teams. Almost every single high paid quarterback that has won the Super Bowl has done so before they got the huge pay day. Most of them were under 10% of the Cap Space. A Super Bowl just jumps up price big time for these guys and limits a team's ability to build great depth and afford quality starters to surround the player with.

Having said all that I am torn. I do think Manning can come back and give us a great shot at a title but at the same time I do wonder if we have seen the highest of his ability to take this team to where he has and unfortunately that is short of a championship. I keep thinking what the Broncos could do with that extra $16 or so million in extra cap space. That could be them signing Suh to add some real nastiness to our DL or that could be us signing two very high quality OL players on top of our own FA's that we want to resign. So then that would mean either we have one of the most loaded defenses or we go from one of the worst OL's in football to possibly one of the better in a real hurry and give Osweiler a nice chance to succeed with a strong running game and some great protection up front.

idk what PM's cap hit was this past season, but imo DEN had enough talent on both sides of the ball to win it all. They simply did not perform well vs IND and that imo was largely why Fox was run.

To your point...it's proven that to be a consistent playoff caliber team, you need a good QB. If DEN goes with Osweiler, not saying it will happen, but the fan base has to be prepared to be 8 to 10 win type team '15 and let him grow into the position. That might be a little tough to take after 3 yrs of PM, but it could be the right move long term.