Job security for Bruce Allen?

[Sportster 72]

I'm give it a chance Sty, what else do we have? Have to keep an eye peeled to. Before Shanahan ever coached a regular season game Batman and Robin were pushing McNabb on him. All we can do is hope for the best ... For now.

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm give it a chance Sty, what else do we have? Have to keep an eye peeled to. Before Shanahan ever coached a regular season game Batman and Robin were pushing McNabb on him. All we can do is hope for the best ... For now.

i am not sure about who pushed whom on whom . kiems articles says Rg3 was pushed on him but fairly fuzzy about Dmac , and jones article was that Dmac was pushed on him and shanny went along with the Rg3 thing

now i dont see anything here that is backed by facts . so i will meet in the middle and say one at least was even though it reads more like speculation

but the bottom line is shanny had final say in his contract if he was persuaded to bite off on either or both then he has no one to blame but himself

other organizations have "group " discussions on football matters

 

[j_y19]

i am not sure about who pushed whom on whom . kiems articles says Rg3 was pushed on him but fairly fuzzy about Dmac , and jones article was that Dmac was pushed on him and shanny went along with the Rg3 thing

now i dont see anything here that is backed by facts . so i will meet in the middle and say one at least was even though it reads more like speculation

but the bottom line is shanny had final say in his contract if he was persuaded to bite off on either or both then he has no one to blame but himself

other organizations have "group " discussions on football matters

Dad, I agree with you that Shanahan had the power to veto, so he can only blame himself. However, if a guy with the chops of a Shanahan felt pressured by Dan and crew to go along, what chance does a guy like McGloughan have if Dan decides to meddle again? I think you underestimate how anyone could be pressured by an egomaniac like Snyder who ultimately holds all the cards.

 

[Sportster 72]

I think we sometimes forget that the Redskins are business and the business belongs to Dan. Now whether he acts as a good owner or not is another story.

dad, if General Issamo comes to you and tells you which cannons you can use but after you choose and set up for battle and General Issamo comes down and tells you "hey I think that other cannon over would be better." Chances are very good you are going to go get that other cannon. He is the boss so no matter what technique he uses most are going to follow it. Unless their name was Marty and he said "see you later."

In the end it is Dan's team and as owner he can do what he wants whether we like it or not.

Most people believed at the time of the McNabb trade that Bruce and Dan were behind it. What they don't do is fess up to anything.

Hiring McCloughan was a very positive hire, now lets see if Dan can do something he has never been able to do which is to let the football people make football decisions.

 

[skinsdad62]

Dad, I agree with you that Shanahan had the power to veto, so he can only blame himself. However, if a guy with the chops of a Shanahan felt pressured by Dan and crew to go along, what chance does a guy like McGloughan have if Dan decides to meddle again? I think you underestimate how anyone could be pressured by an egomaniac like Snyder who ultimately holds all the cards.

well j-y 19 both shanny and now gruden did . they benched Rg3 and we all know he is danny's boy

now i dont believe he was pressured i believe it was his call to make and he weighed the pro's and cons and decided to roll the dice even if he has some reservations

it about standing up for yourself . i stand up to my boss when i feel he is wrong . now 3 things can happen he can agree with me, i can agree with him with reservations and still execute or i can quit or be fired over it .

it is all my choice egomaniac or not

knowledge is power , if shanny knows what he is talking about its hard to fight it . i know what i am talking about in my job hence my say carries huge weight. my bosses , i work for 2 contracting company;s , know i will do something else if they try to force me into anything my principals are against .

now you cant fall on your sword on everything but cowering like a pussy isnt needed either

 

[Sportster 72]

That's a good analogy dad, your boss sounds like Jack Kent Cooke and not Dan Snyder.

 

[Stymietee]

Interesting discussion fellas, remember when it was me calling for caution? If you think about it..... instead of trying to score points, by calling it an obsession, you'll find that your current discussion supports my original point. Nothing has changed at DC football headquarters, all of the players are still in place, there is absolutely no evidence that the backstabbing, dry snitching, or CYA'ers have found football religion. That's way too much to ask for in exchange for one firing and one new hire. As stated before.......let's wait and see if this current transfusion begins moving the cancer towards remission or, if, as many blindly want to see it as THE cure all.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think we sometimes forget that the Redskins are business and the business belongs to Dan. Now whether he acts as a good owner or not is another story.

dad, if General Issamo comes to you and tells you which cannons you can use but after you choose and set up for battle and General Issamo comes down and tells you "hey I think that other cannon over would be better." Chances are very good you are going to go get that other cannon. He is the boss so no matter what technique he uses most are going to follow it. Unless their name was Marty and he said "see you later."

In the end it is Dan's team and as owner he can do what he wants whether we like it or not.

Most people believed at the time of the McNabb trade that Bruce and Dan were behind it. What they don't do is fess up to anything.

Hiring McCloughan was a very positive hire, now lets see if Dan can do something he has never been able to do which is to let the football people make football decisions.

the redskins arent the military hence the rules arent the same at all . if a general gives me a lawful order and i disobey it i have committed a crime . not so in the civilian world

the military is not a democracy but i am a civilian now hence i have a lot of say in what i am going to do or not

 

[skinsdad62]

That's a good analogy dad, your boss sounds like Jack Kent Cooke and not Dan Snyder.

its not about what type of boss they are . that is a mute point

the point is i dont cede my power to them , and if i dont like the snyder type well i am gone . i can do anything and get a job anywhere . it may take time , i may struggle for awhile . but in the end it is my destiny that i control

knowledge is power

 

[j_y19]

the redskins arent the military hence the rules arent the same at all . if a general gives me a lawful order and i disobey it i have committed a crime . not so in the civilian world

the military is not a democracy but i am a civilian now hence i have a lot of say in what i am going to do or not

Dad, a private company is not a democracy, either. IF the owner of that company gives you an order, you either do it or you risk getting fired. And, yes, you could refuse and quit. While in theory it sounds great, most aren't in a position to quit their job because their boss told them to do something they disagreed with. In McGloughan's case, he's on his 3rd strike.

 

[Sharkinva]

its not about what type of boss they are . that is a mute point

the point is i dont cede my power to them , and if i dont like the snyder type well i am gone . i can do anything and get a job anywhere . it may take time , i may struggle for awhile . but in the end it is my destiny that i control

knowledge is power

Skinsdad... in the big world sure that works. But in the NFL, there are only 32 teams. You simply DONT walk away from a job like Head Coach simply because you disagree with what the owner wants. If you are a Lawyer, you can always start up your own firm. If you work in IT, there is always another company that needs an Email Admin. When you work for one of 32 teams, and 25 of those dont need a head coach.. .the I will take my ball and go elsewhere approach doesnt really work.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad... in the big world sure that works. But in the NFL, there are only 32 teams. You simply DONT walk away from a job like Head Coach simply because you disagree with what the owner wants. If you are a Lawyer, you can always start up your own firm. If you work in IT, there is always another company that needs an Email Admin. When you work for one of 32 teams, and 25 of those dont need a head coach.. .the I will take my ball and go elsewhere approach doesnt really work.

shark , shanny has plenty of money , he can live comfortably the rest of his life hence he doesnt "need" the job

he very well could have stood up for himself and if he didnt its on him

in fact he has been mentioned as a HC candidate for the 49ers and bears as well as several college vacancies as well so quitting the skins in a dispute with an owner like dan snyder isnt a career ender

so sorry i am not going to buy he was held at gun point to trade for DMAC or draft RG3

could he have been persuaded ? sure but again he had the ability to easily say no if he chose to and face the consequences and believe me if the owner and team president interfered with things my contract says i have final say on you can bet i would seek restitution in a court of law if i was fired

again i say he certainly could have had reservations on both moves but in the end HE decided to go along with it

so we should step away from the small violin playing and be sure that poor mike wasnt mucsled out of anything by the menacing ogre known as dan snyder

on a side note kyle shanahan did exactly what you said one shouldnt do . walk away from one of 32 OC jobs in the NFL because who couldnt take ownership interference and that is an action not a theory

 

[Sharkinva]

Dude... Why is it so hard for you to accept the much more realistic idea that McNabb AND RG3 were all Dan moves and Mike was simply doing what the Boss put into place?? Now could Mike have walked away from $21 million on a matter of principle?? Sure he could have. But is that in any way realistic??

 

[Sportster 72]

Dad, a private company is not a democracy, either. IF the owner of that company gives you an order, you either do it or you risk getting fired. And, yes, you could refuse and quit. While in theory it sounds great, most aren't in a position to quit their job because their boss told them to do something they disagreed with. In McGloughan's case, he's on his 3rd strike.

dad is strong minded, he was using a loop hole in my analogy. That is fine. Not sure but if I guess right dad is retired military. Big difference as compared to the average job. We don't have that check to fall back on if something happens. For most you understand your boss is the final word. I agree if you are dead against it quit if you can.

Funny thing is if Shanahan had quit he surrenders his salary. Dan can try to piss a guy off hoping he quits instead of sticking it out no matter what happens so Dan has to fire him and then pay him the $7 miillion left on his check. If it is me I am making the owner fire me so I can bank that $7 million.

I think most of us understand that Dan and Bruce have meddled. Dan and Vinny meddled. dad chooses not to believe that and that is his right. Sometimes you have to have a tree fall on you before you realize that you are in the forest. I know, I know it can happen in the back yard.

 

[skinsdad62]

dad is strong minded, he was using a loop hole in my analogy. That is fine. Not sure but if I guess right dad is retired military. Big difference as compared to the average job. We don't have that check to fall back on if something happens. For most you understand your boss is the final word. I agree if you are dead against it quit if you can.

Funny thing is if Shanahan had quit he surrenders his salary. Dan can try to piss a guy off hoping he quits instead of sticking it out no matter what happens so Dan has to fire him and then pay him the $7 miillion left on his check. If it is me I am making the owner fire me so I can bank that $7 million.

I think most of us understand that Dan and Bruce have meddled. Dan and Vinny meddled. dad chooses not to believe that and that is his right. Sometimes you have to have a tree fall on you before you realize that you are in the forest. I know, I know it can happen in the back yard.

oh i believe that he meddles for sure but again shanny didnt have a money issue, much like me if you want, and if he quit money wouldnt be an issue and if his contract was violated and he quit because of it he could have sought restitution

i simply am not absolving shanny based on a couple of theories put forth by a couple of respected writers until i see hard facts which will come out and when they do then i will be wrong

 

[skinsdad62]

Dude... Why is it so hard for you to accept the much more realistic idea that McNabb AND RG3 were all Dan moves and Mike was simply doing what the Boss put into place?? Now could Mike have walked away from $21 million on a matter of principle?? Sure he could have. But is that in any way realistic??

i have the same standard shark . give me the facts not conjecture . put a name to it otherwise it is idle gossip or speculation . perhaps good speculation , but speculation none the less

now the BS he would walk away from 21 mil is foolish . if his contract was violated he could seek payment through a court of law and most likely win .

but the bottom line is if he was "simply doing what the boss put into place " then he passively accepted ownerships choice as his own period. not acting is an action in of itself

Mr geddy lee, if you chosse not to decide you still have made a choice

 

[j_y19]

oh i believe that he meddles for sure but again shanny didnt have a money issue, much like me if you want, and if he quit money wouldnt be an issue and if his contract was violated and he quit because of it he could have sought restitution

i simply am not absolving shanny based on a couple of theories put forth by a couple of respected writers until i see hard facts which will come out and when they do then i will be wrong

This is where we agree. No matter what Dan did, I don't absolve Mike. Mike should've nipped this whole thing in the bud in that off season after RG3 was injured. First, when it came out from Robert's camp that RG3 didn't want to run the zone read anymore, Mike should have responded both publicly and privately that RG3 will run what ever offense the coaches decide on or he will be on the bench. Then he had another opportunity that preseason when RG3 went to the press with the pressure of the promise to play him game 1. Mike, again, should have said both publicly and privately that he didn't care what the doctors said about RG3s health, if he was not prepared to run the offense, he would sit until he was. By doing this, he would've reestablished his power given to him. Because he didn't , RG3 felt empowered. Why wouldn't he? He got what ever he wanted by using the press against Mike.

 

[Sportster 72]

oh i believe that he meddles for sure but again shanny didnt have a money issue, much like me if you want, and if he quit money wouldnt be an issue and if his contract was violated and he quit because of it he could have sought restitution

i simply am not absolving shanny based on a couple of theories put forth by a couple of respected writers until i see hard facts which will come out and when they do then i will be wrong

I don't mean Shanahan should be absolved. All I mean is he wasn't the only cook in the kitchen. I don't even think how ever involved that Allen and Snyder were in (insert name here) that they meant to do anything but help. Shanahan did enough things that were disappointing that he should be gone. In the end I think Shanahan wanted to get fired and I think he did enough to speed that along.

It's not like these coaches are going to starve if they lose their job. Most can find a job fairly quickly. They may have to change their lifestyles but they won't starve.

 

[Sportster 72]

i have the same standard shark . give me the facts not conjecture . put a name to it otherwise it is idle gossip or speculation . perhaps good speculation , but speculation none the less

now the BS he would walk away from 21 mil is foolish . if his contract was violated he could seek payment through a court of law and most likely win .

but the bottom line is if he was "simply doing what the boss put into place " then he passively accepted ownerships choice as his own period. not acting is an action in of itself

Mr geddy lee, if you chosse not to decide you still have made a choice

Yet another rock star reference. I approve!!!

 

[skinsdad62]

This is where we agree. No matter what Dan did, I don't absolve Mike. Mike should've nipped this whole thing in the bud in that off season after RG3 was injured. First, when it came out from Robert's camp that RG3 didn't want to run the zone read anymore, Mike should have responded both publicly and privately that RG3 will run what ever offense the coaches decide on or he will be on the bench. Then he had another opportunity that preseason when RG3 went to the press with the pressure of the promise to play him game 1. Mike, again, should have said both publicly and privately that he didn't care what the doctors said about RG3s health, if he was not prepared to run the offense, he would sit until he was. By doing this, he would've reestablished his power given to him. Because he didn't , RG3 felt empowered. Why wouldn't he? He got what ever he wanted by using the press against Mike.

I don't mean Shanahan should be absolved. All I mean is he wasn't the only cook in the kitchen. I don't even think how ever involved that Allen and Snyder were in (insert name here) that they meant to do anything but help. Shanahan did enough things that were disappointing that he should be gone. In the end I think Shanahan wanted to get fired and I think he did enough to speed that along.

It's not like these coaches are going to starve if they lose their job. Most can find a job fairly quickly. They may have to change their lifestyles but they won't starve.

Yet another rock star reference. I approve!!!

i think we all have common ground here and in a round about way agreed on it the hole time

i am just a stickler for "the facts mam just the facts " and dan akroyd would say