Jay Gruden A QB Developer?

[countryroads316]

He is supposed to be a QB coach that can develop QB's but so far hasn't done a very good job with any player this year

 

[j_y19]

And your point is?

 

[martinez]

hes done pretty good with colt so far

 

[Stymietee]

So......exactly how long does it take to develop a QB? One of the games very best right now sat for 5 years before the team turned to him. (Rogers). Granted a different set of circumstances there, but what's the cost of playing a QB too soon? Don't know? Here's a clue.......R.G.III. Jay Gruden has been here for exactly one off season, he inherited a team not of his choosing, had to acclimate himself into the rigors inherent in becoming an rookie HC , teach his assistants his offensive and hopefully not, defensive philosophies, go through a draft and not knowing a thing about the current state of the team, set up an off season program for them.

 

[j_y19]

So......exactly how long does it take to develop a QB? One of the games very best right now sat for 5 years before the team turned to him. (Rogers). Granted a different set of circumstances there, but what's the cost of playing a QB too soon? Don't know? Here's a clue.......R.G.III. Jay Gruden has been here for exactly one off season, he inherited a team not of his choosing, had to acclimate himself into the rigors inherent in becoming an rookie HC , teach his assistants his offensive and hopefully not, defensive philosophies, go through a draft and not knowing a thing about the current state of the team, set up an off season program for them.

Styiemee, you know the answer to that question.....it depends. It depends on how raw the QB is, it depends on the player, it depends on the system. Some never make it. But I'll tell you this. It usually takes more than 3/4 of a season, especially since your QB was injured for half that time.

I have no idea if Gruden will turn out to be a good coach or not, but I do know it is way too early to question if he can develop a QB based on RG3s performance since he has been here.

Some guys aren't happy unless they are bitching..........

 

[Sharkinva]

So......exactly how long does it take to develop a QB? One of the games very best right now sat for 5 years before the team turned to him. (Rogers). Granted a different set of circumstances there, but what's the cost of playing a QB too soon? Don't know? Here's a clue.......R.G.III. Jay Gruden has been here for exactly one off season, he inherited a team not of his choosing, had to acclimate himself into the rigors inherent in becoming an rookie HC , teach his assistants his offensive and hopefully not, defensive philosophies, go through a draft and not knowing a thing about the current state of the team, set up an off season program for them.

Sty... have to disagree a little. Gruden KNEW what he was walking into. Because every one on the planet who has even a loose understanding of the NFL KNEW what he was walking into. A Dysfunctional organization with

1. One Young QB who may or may not have torpedo'd his previous coach
2. Another Young QB that showed promise as a pocket passer, but with a penchant for throwing Picks.
3. A defense that is about as streaky as a fat plumbers underwear
4. An owner with about as much patience as a two year old that mainlines redbull and liquid jolly ranchers
and lastly
5. A fan base that is just as impatient and willing to buy about 90% of the Bullshit the owner puts out.

 

[Sportster 72]

So......exactly how long does it take to develop a QB? One of the games very best right now sat for 5 years before the team turned to him. (Rogers). Granted a different set of circumstances there, but what's the cost of playing a QB too soon? Don't know? Here's a clue.......R.G.III. Jay Gruden has been here for exactly one off season, he inherited a team not of his choosing, had to acclimate himself into the rigors inherent in becoming an rookie HC , teach his assistants his offensive and hopefully not, defensive philosophies, go through a draft and not knowing a thing about the current state of the team, set up an off season program for them.

You give up 2 No. 1s and a No. 2 for a guy you want to take 5 years to develop? Who were you going to play at QB while your prize bull was learning? Rex Grossman?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, they knew what they had in year one. That is why Kyle installed the offense he did. After getting hurt Griffin didn't want to run that offense any longer so they fired the existing coach and brought in Gruden to teach him to be a different kind of QB. So far it has been a failure.

 

[Stymietee]

hes done pretty good with colt so far

If only that was true! Colt McCoy QB'ed at Texas where Mack Brown basically employed a pro style offense. He then went to Cleveland and San Fran where I'm sure there were emphasis on fundamentals. All he's had to do here is to apply what he's learned elsewhere and not be as fundamentally unsound as his fellow QB's.

 

[Sportster 72]

If only that was true! Colt McCoy QB'ed at Texas where Mack Brown basically employed a pro style offense. He then went to Cleveland and San Fran where I'm sure there were emphasis on fundamentals. All he's had to do here is to apply what he's learned elsewhere and not be as fundamentally unsound as his fellow QB's.

Actually they ran a spread offense in Texas under Mack Brown. Most colleges run it because it is so hard to find good QBs. It is a great offense that Spurrier made famous in Florida. It is great for college coaches but doesn't help QBs transition to the NFL.

Cooley talked Colt told him how much Harbaugh helped him in his one year in San Fran with the pro game.

 

[Stymietee]

You give up 2 No. 1s and a No. 2 for a guy you want to take 5 years to develop? Who were you going to play at QB while your prize bull was learning? Rex Grossman?

As I mentioned in an earlier post, they knew what they had in year one. That is why Kyle installed the offense he did. After getting hurt Griffin didn't want to run that offense any longer so they fired the existing coach and brought in Gruden to teach him to be a different kind of QB. So far it has been a failure.

Who said that it would have taken 5 years? Pointing out that KS installed the offense that he did only cements the disfunction so deeply imbeded in the organization. Further, having an organization that is run as you've pointed out by the inmates makes no sense at all. Finally, my original question stands......exactly how long does it take to develop a QB? Clearly one off season is not enough to undo the option out of him then have him relearn a pro stlye. This team wasted 3 seasons looking for instant gratification instead of doing the more difficult thing which entailed sitting him, teaching and retraining him to be the long term answer here.

BTW: you are absolutely right, they knew exactly who he was and what they were getting in him, paid the price to get him, but failed to pay the price to develop him. Unfortunately, there has been a price to pay for their impatience and we're all seeing it now.

 

[Stymietee]

Sty... have to disagree a little. Gruden KNEW what he was walking into. Because every one on the planet who has even a loose understanding of the NFL KNEW what he was walking into. A Dysfunctional organization with

1. One Young QB who may or may not have torpedo'd his previous coach
2. Another Young QB that showed promise as a pocket passer, but with a penchant for throwing Picks.
3. A defense that is about as streaky as a fat plumbers underwear
4. An owner with about as much patience as a two year old that mainlines redbull and liquid jolly ranchers
and lastly
5. A fan base that is just as impatient and willing to buy about 90% of the Bullshit the owner puts out.

Where exactly do we disagree?

 

[Sharkinva]

Where exactly do we disagree?

You hint that Gruden had no idea what he was really walking into. Stevie Wonder could see what gruden was walking into from the dark side of the moon.

 

[Stymietee]

You hint that Gruden had no idea what he was really walking into. Stevie Wonder could see what gruden was walking into from the dark side of the moon.

Naw, we don't disagree. My point with Gruden was not that he was unaware, but simply, new at it, complete with more things to do than there was time or opportunity to get all done. I'm preaching something that very few in and outside of this organization has in abundance............Patience! !!!

 

[Sharkinva]

Naw, we don't disagree. My point with Gruden was not that he was unaware, but simply, new at it, complete with more things to do than there was time or opportunity to get all done. I'm preaching something that very few in and outside of this organization has in abundance............Patience! !!!

That is something that neither the owner or the fan base has after 21 years of general sucktatude.

 

[Stymietee]

That is something that neither the owner or the fan base has after 21 years of general sucktatude.

"General suctatude" the number to the copyright office is 202 707-3000........toll free 1-877-476-0778...I believe you have something here!!

 

[skinsdad62]

That is something that neither the owner or the fan base has after 21 years of general sucktatude.

gotta start somewhere shark

and i see a patent in your future

 

[Dougie McBuckets]

RG3 not showing much interest.