Jayden Daniels ~ ‘that’s our QB’

[Stymietee]

I think there is always a concern with a second year slump. I remember Sean Taylor didn't have a great second year. Then he cleaned up his life off the field, became a vegetarian, and began to flourish.

I don't see those same off the field issues with Jaayden. His mom doesn't let him leave her side. Besides that, he's obviously a film junkie and takes losing hard, as we all saw.

There will definitely be more film on him. There are some really smart DCs out there who will spend the entire off-season trying to find a way to confuse and bottle him up.

The flip side is, as a rookie with a very flawed roster, he took his team to the NFC Championship and never looked as flustered and shook the way Mahomes looked Sunday. What will Jayden look like with weapons? What will he look like with another year in the same offense under his belt?

Schedule looks much harder on paper. That could affect things as well. I've kinda pivoted away from Tee and toward the offensive line if I had to choose between the two. I'd love to have Tee, but the games where Jayden looked his worse were when he was under siege.

You're not wrong about those smart DCs trying to figure out ways to slow down and confuse Daniels, but knowing that is also why they have to upgrade his weaponry. Stopping him with one weapon is one thing, having to plan to slow down and stop more than two threats, something else. The Chiefs effectively stopped Barkley, but got killed by the Eagles other weapons. Sadly for the Commanders one of those weapons was/is Jahan Dotson.

 

[kbso83432]

You're not wrong about those smart DCs trying to figure out ways to slow down and confuse Daniels, but knowing that is also why they have to upgrade his weaponry. Stopping him with one weapon is one thing, having to plan to slow down and stop more than two threats, something else. The Chiefs effectively stopped Barkley, but got killed by the Eagles other weapons. Sadly for the Commanders one of those weapons was/is Jahan Dotson.

Definitely need more weapons. I think a back like Hampton or Henderson running read option would really open things up. As far as WR2, sure. At this moment I just don't think it will be Tee. Could be wrong. Just reading the tea leaves.

 

[Stymietee]

Definitely need more weapons. I think a back like Hampton or Henderson running read option would really open things up. As far as WR2, sure. At this moment I just don't think it will be Tee. Could be wrong. Just reading the tea leaves.

I.. I... I'm going to do it again, naw, I shouldn't, but I have to!! WR1!!

 

[kbso83432]

I.. I... I'm going to do it again, naw, I shouldn't, but I have to!! WR1!!

Okay sty, let's talk. Does WR1 in your book mean "elite?" McLaurin is not elite. He is not Chase, Lamb, AJ. Those guys are elite. He is a #1 though. I wanted to see what he looked like with a real QB under center. For the first time in his entire career he got that and made 2nd team All-Pro.

What would McLaurin have to do to be considered a #1? I can only name about seven guys i would take over him.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

CJ Stroud and Jayden Daniels are nothing alike. Stroud was never like Daniels coming into the league. Stroud didn’t look anything like he did in his rookie campaign. He was essentially in the zone. Daniels is a video hound and has always been extremely accurate. I do no think you will see a regression next season from Daniels and if we get him a few more actual weapons and protection, you may see more records crumble.

If this was for me, Daniels and Stroud were a lot alike. As rookies they set records and revived their franchises, they both played better than expected. Stroud looked like he left his glass slippers at the party year 2 but still did enough to make the playoffs. Its why i initially stated Daniels could regress. However if we get the right pieces around him, i said he could progress like Lamar instead regress like Stroud.

 

[Stymietee]

Okay sty, let's talk. Does WR1 in your book mean "elite?" McLaurin is not elite. He is not Chase, Lamb, AJ. Those guys are elite. He is a #1 though. I wanted to see what he looked like with a real QB under center. For the first time in his entire career he got that and made 2nd team All-Pro.

What would McLaurin have to do to be considered a #1? I can only name about seven guys i would take over him.

He's a WR1 on this team, no doubt about it, but he doesn't have the prerequisite combination of height, speed, and hands of a top flight guy. Sure he produces, but so does Tyreek Hill and I don't consider him a WR1 either. There are plenty of guys like him in the league and most would benefit from having another stong threat opposite them on the field. That's my position on TM and I'm not sure why anyone would want to opt for a weaker WR group over a stronger one. Put Terry on the field with a bigger threat than himself and he becomes a killer, but allow him to be that lead dog and you have fewer options when a team like the Eagles and that secondary focuses on taking him away.

To answer your specific question, there's nothing TM can do to make himself a WR1 outside of growing at least 3 more inches, and developing better hands/catch radius. I do like his speed though.

Btw; there are about 15 to 17 that I would take over him right now to pair with Daniels, but I don't want to do that, I want Terry to stay and upgrade the WR1 spot.

 

[gkekoa]

If this was for me, Daniels and Stroud were a lot alike. As rookies they set records and revived their franchises, they both played better than expected. Stroud looked like he left his glass slippers at the party year 2 but still did enough to make the playoffs. It’s why i initially stated Daniels could regress. However if we get the right pieces around him, i said he could progress like Lamar instead regress like Stroud.

Except they were not alike coming out of college. Stroud was taken number two in a highly questionable class of QBs. JD was taken number 2 in one of the greatest QB draft classes ever.

JD was known as a hard worker (film study) in college which is pretty much unheard of as a QB.

As a senior in college, JD (12 games) threw for 3800 yards and 40 TDs and 4 picks on 72.2 completion percentage. He also ran for 1134 yards and 10 TDs.
CJ (13 games) threw for 3688, 41 TDs, and 6 picks on 66.3 percent, with 108 yards rushing.

There is no reason to believe JD willregress at all because of his work ethic and this is simply who JD is.

 

[kbso83432]

If this was for me, Daniels and Stroud were a lot alike. As rookies they set records and revived their franchises, they both played better than expected. Stroud looked like he left his glass slippers at the party year 2 but still did enough to make the playoffs. Its why i initially stated Daniels could regress. However if we get the right pieces around him, i said he could progress like Lamar instead regress like Stroud.

As most of you know I live in Houston. Went to

He's a WR1 on this team, no doubt about it, but he doesn't have the prerequisite combination of height, speed, and hands of a top flight guy. Sure he produces, but so does Tyreek Hill and I don't consider him a WR1 either. There are plenty of guys like him in the league and most would benefit from having another stong threat opposite them on the field. That's my position on TM and I'm not sure why anyone would want to opt for a weaker WR group over a stronger one. Put Terry on the field with a bigger threat than himself and he becomes a killer, but allow him to be that lead dog and you have fewer options when a team like the Eagles and that secondary focuses on taking him away.

To answer your specific question, there's nothing TM can do to make himself a WR1 outside of growing at least 3 more inches, and developing better hands/catch radius. I do like his speed though.

Btw; there are about 15 to 17 that I would take over him right now to pair with Daniels, but I don't want to do that, I want Terry to stay and upgrade the WR1 spot.

15 to 17! Okay.....understood. We view Terry differently. I would love to get a guy that would make Terry our clear #2, but I just don't see us getting our hands on Jefferson, AJ, Lamb, Chase, St. Brown, or Evans.

I agree his height is limiting, and he's a body catcher.

 

[Stymietee]

As most of you know I live in Houston. Went to
15 to 17! Okay.....understood. We view Terry differently. I would love to get a guy that would make Terry our clear #2, but I just don't see us getting our hands on Jefferson, AJ, Lamb, Chase, St. Brown, or Evans.

I agree his height is limiting, and he's a body catcher.

Tee Higgins could become a WR1 on another team because, while he is a talented receiver, he currently plays alongside Ja'Marr Chase on the Bengals, limiting his target share and making it difficult to be considered a true number one wide receiver; on a different team with less receiving depth, he would likely see more targets and have the opportunity to be the primary offensive weapon, thus allowing him to achieve WR1 status.

 

[kbso83432]

Tee Higgins could become a WR1 on another team because, while he is a talented receiver, he currently plays alongside Ja'Marr Chase on the Bengals, limiting his target share and making it difficult to be considered a true number one wide receiver; on a different team with less receiving depth, he would likely see more targets and have the opportunity to be the primary offensive weapon, thus allowing him to achieve WR1 status.

Possibly, but he would also face more number one corners and more brackets. I'd love to get Tee in here, but for 30m I'd rather have Myles, and rebuild to o-line.

 

[skinsdad62]

Possibly, but he would also face more number one corners and more brackets. I'd love to get Tee in here, but for 30m I'd rather have Myles, and rebuild to o-line.

You aren’t getting Myles without gutting the future drafts . If you trade for Myles you must sign Tee

 

[kbso83432]

You aren’t getting Myles without gutting the future drafts . If you trade for Myles you must sign Tee

I think if you trade for Myles, Tee doesn't happen.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think if you trade for Myles, Tee doesn't happen.

Why ?

 

[kbso83432]

Why ?

Money. I'm not sure we are in a position to tie up 50m into two players. Maybe. Never know.

 

[gkekoa]

Money. I'm not sure we are in a position to tie up 50m into two players. Maybe. Never know.

We can easily take on both Tee and Myles.

Myles Garrett would be 20 mil for each season over the next two.

Tee Higgins would only count about 10 mil against the 2025 cap on a four year deal at 30 mil per season. CD counted 9 mil against Dallas’2024 cap at 34 mil per season.

 

[gkekoa]

Possibly, but he would also face more number one corners and more brackets. I'd love to get Tee in here, but for 30m I'd rather have Myles, and rebuild to o-line.

If I had to choose between Tee at 30 mil per season and Myles plus losing two first round picks and more, give me Tee all day. MG cap hit would be 20 mil in 25 and 26.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

He's a WR1 on this team, no doubt about it, but he doesn't have the prerequisite combination of height, speed, and hands of a top flight guy. Sure he produces, but so does Tyreek Hill and I don't consider him a WR1 either. There are plenty of guys like him in the league and most would benefit from having another stong threat opposite them on the field. That's my position on TM and I'm not sure why anyone would want to opt for a weaker WR group over a stronger one. Put Terry on the field with a bigger threat than himself and he becomes a killer, but allow him to be that lead dog and you have fewer options when a team like the Eagles and that secondary focuses on taking him away.

To answer your specific question, there's nothing TM can do to make himself a WR1 outside of growing at least 3 more inches, and developing better hands/catch radius. I do like his speed though.

Btw; there are about 15 to 17 that I would take over him right now to pair with Daniels, but I don't want to do that, I want Terry to stay and upgrade the WR1 spot.

i was about to ask why you after his all pro season you say hes still not a WR1, but when you mentioned the catch radius i completely agree,
despite his insane spectacular catches, there are times where i scream, "why didn't you jump for it, instead of waiting for it to fall to you?"
there are a few other minor things he does where im like....we need another killer

 

[kbso83432]

We can easily take on both Tee and Myles.

Myles Garrett would be 20 mil for each season over the next two.

Tee Higgins would only count about 10 mil against the 2025 cap on a four year deal at 30 mil per season. CD counted 9 mil against Dallas’2024 cap at 34 mil per season.

Oh we could do it, I'm just not sure it makes sense. We have a lot of holes.

 

[kbso83432]

If I had to choose between Tee at 30 mil per season and Myles plus losing two first round picks and more, give me Tee all day. MG cap hit would be 20 mil in 25 and 26.

I'd take Myles, spend 10 or so on Stanley, and draft a speedy WR in the 2nd or 3rd.

 

[gkekoa]

Oh we could do it, I'm just not sure it makes sense. We have a lot of holes.

We do. I believe the best way to handle some of those holes is with star players. They make everybody around them better.