tOfficial Post Here If NCAA is Investigating

[douggie]

Go ahead and post here if the NCAA is investigating your program thread....

 

[The Derski]

Not my program but isn't Cuse getting investigated?

 

[douggie]

Not my program but isn't Cuse getting investigated?

Yes. Can't seem to find out exactly what SU did with Fab Melo that caused the investigation.

And there is NO TRUTH to UCONN being under investigation. That rumor started after they won the Title last season.

And Ga Tech is finished with their reduction in official visits, but is still on probation until July 2015.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Well, from what I've read on various sites, it probably isn't just the Melo issues. Nobody seems to know for sure right now, but there is a lot of speculation that it also involves SU misconduct with regards to its internal drug policy, dating back more than a decade. The NCAA was reportedly looking into it back in 2012, and then they were completely silent about it. From the sound of things, they've been digging pretty hard since then and they have a pretty clear cut case against them. They evidently have the student athlete drug test results, and they have SU's internal drug policy, and they have a pretty long list of players that tested positive and were never suspended per the SU drug policy. (Something like 11 of them over that time span iirc and some of the guys tested positive as many as 4 times)

There also seems to some academic eligibility issues with Melo and Southerland.

...and something about Dante Green's uncle receiving a $50,000 loan from an agent while he was at SU.

If history is any indicator it seems pretty clear to me that the NCAA will use it's "strict liability" clause to strip SU (and Boeheim) of about 250 wins including their Championship ..or... defer to the recently popular "We let the schools police their own policies" precedent from the UNC academic non-scandal, where they will point out that non-athlete students who test positive for drugs aren't disallowed to games, so it wasn't a benefit exclusive to athletes, so its all cool ...or... something in between those two. but definitely one of those three things.

A timeline of the NCAA's investigation into Syracuse basketball program | syracuse.com

 

[jonvi]

defer to the recently popular "We let the schools police their own policies" precedent from the UNC academic non-scandal

This would be my pick if the players tested positive for pot only.....and if that were the only violations. The rumor is there is much more though.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Yeah, jonvi, to be honest, I don't really have a problem with college kids smoking weed, so if that's all it was, I wouldn't be too bent out of shape if they got off with a slap on the wrist, but at the same time they (Syracuse) made their own rules, so part of me thinks they should be punished if they didn't follow them.

If they wanted to allow it, all they needed to do was change their policy accordingly. (and tell the guys they need to make sure they piss clean by tournament time)

 

[jonvi]

Yeah, jonvi, to be honest, I don't really have a problem with college kids smoking weed, so if that's all it was, I wouldn't be too bent out of shape if they got off with a slap on the wrist, but at the same time they (Syracuse) made their own rules, so part of me thinks they should be punished if they didn't follow them.

If they wanted to allow it, all they needed to do was change their policy accordingly. (and tell the guys they need to make sure they piss clean by tournament time)

In a conversation with the owner of a small construction company, I was told he drug tested his employees mainly because the cost of insurance is cheaper.

I'm wondering if the "written" drug policy at SU is attached to something else, like a reduction in insurance expenses. Other than that....you are right. Just change it if they are not going to enforce it.

But by the looks of this, there are other, more damaging violations. If this is all there is, 250 games and forfeit of the NC would be overkill. Not the mention of a huge waste of resources investigating young men smoking pot.


btw...good to see you around again. I always know bball season is getting close when trolly shows up.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Good to see you too buddy. (Though I wish it was under less troublesome circumstances for your team)

But it is getting pretty close to that magical time of the year. All the Midnight Madness stuff has me pretty amped up for the season. Looks like there are a lot of deep quality teams up at the top that will be vying for a title in April.

 

[jonvi]

AZ, Duke....and that UK team...beastly. This is going to be a great year to be a fan of cbb.


As far as the cuse...I take the good with the bad. Bend, bend, bend those rules. SU is going to be fine. The program has plenty of depth and will get past this.

 

[douggie]

Thanks for the update trolly.

 

[CatsTopPac]

AZ, Duke....and that UK team...beastly. This is going to be a great year to be a fan of cbb.


As far as the cuse...I take the good with the bad. Bend, bend, bend those rules. SU is going to be fine. The program has plenty of depth and will get past this.

And Wisky. But yeah, those four should be most of the Final Four. But you know how it goes!!!!

Good to be ramping up for another great season!

 

[Arizona_Sting]

My team is getting invest.... oh wait, I forgot I'm not an Oregon fan. Life is good!

 

[jonvi]

I keep waiting on the tarbabies to show up. They need to keep it simple.....like the cuse. A little smoke.....some bj's from Bernie's wife. It's all good.


But ya gotta make em go to real classes.

 

[douggie]

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

douggie, it's not out of the question they could lose 2009 and 2005.

Wouldn't that be a shame.

 

[NDHoosier101]

douggie, it's not out of the question they could lose 2009 and 2005.

Wouldn't that be a shame.

Reading a story that claims the scandal includes the 1993 championship as well.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/2...c-scandal-included-athletes-fake-classes-and/

 

[Arizona_Sting]

UNC is done.


UNC athletics report finds 18 years of academic fraud - CNN.com

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

Reading a story that claims the scandal includes the 1993 championship as well.


Massive cheating scandal at UNC scandal included athletes, fake classes and automatic grades | Fox News

From what I understand, the "paper" classes started in the spring semester of 1993. I think eligibility is based on the academics of the previous semester, so even if enrolled in the fake classes for the spring semester, it wouldn't have effected the eligibility of any athletes for the 92-93 season.

But again, it's the NCAA we're talking about so they might strip all three vacate a few decades worth of wins, and give 'em the death penalty for a few years. Or they might be given a very firmly worded letter telling them not to [strike]get caught doing that[/strike] do that again.

However, I think the precedent was set with UCLA so realistically I don't think they'll lose any championships. With all the dirt that came to surface about Sam Gilbert after the fact, if the NCAA was ever going to vacate a championship they would have pulled the trigger on them decades ago.

My guess is they'll narrow the scope to more recent years and if they have to vacate anything it will all be after 2009. I'm sure something about "We looked at evidence going back to the 90's but we couldn't find anything conclusive earlier than 2010" will be included as well to make sure it looks like everything was done "fairly." I'd think a few years of probation, maybe some scholarship reductions, and possible a few vacated games but that'll be it. It looks like the coaching staff already has their plausible deniability all lined up and ready to go, so I doubt you'll see any 'show cause' penalty on Ol' Roy either.

Hard to say with much certainty regarding the Cuse thing since there isn't much concrete info on what the scope of the investigation was, but I doubt they'll see anything major either.

 

[douggie]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/25/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Roy Williams

 

[douggie]