First 16 Years Florida St. vs Last 16 Years Boise St.

[ericd7633]

I don't see how he's ripping them. He's stating that Boise could promote themselves more by modeling themselves after FSU. But your assumptions are just that, assumptions. And say more about you than RA.

Yeah I did assume he was ripping them, and I wasn't the only one either. If he doesn't want to make it seem like that he should use better wording. And FSUManager brings up a lot of great points as well.

 

[FSUmanager]

No, I'd say it's being truthful. Reinvest and use FSU's model to promote and grow. It's pretty simple. Become a contender by looking at another program that started from similar beginnings and is currently the NC.

The problem lies in the HUGE differences in the two schools. I listed many reasons as to why you cannot use the FSU model in this era. Conferences, affiliations, scheduling, and so on. And again there is the whole difference in location. Hard to get top recruits to go to Boise. Not real difficult to do that at FSU.

The thing that the OP is forgetting is that FSU played those teams BEFORE 1976 and Bobby Bowden. It was not just while they were an independent. When they were in the Dixie conference they played the big money schools. But tell us what big time Midwestern or Southeastern school is willing to travel to Boise? Not many are willing to do it. Too expensive and not much exposure. Granted FSU has scheduled a home and home with BSU, but besides them who else would be willing to to it? It was much easier due to location for FSU to get the big money schools.

 

[BigRedMoe]

Yeah I did assume he was ripping them, and I wasn't the only one either. If he doesn't want to make it seem like that he should use better wording. And FSUManager brings up a lot of great points as well.

I thought his wording was blunt. But that doesn't mean he's ripping them.

 

[BigRedMoe]

The problem lies in the HUGE differences in the two schools. I listed many reasons as to why you cannot use the FSU model in this era. Conferences, affiliations, scheduling, and so on. And again there is the whole difference in location. Hard to get top recruits to go to Boise. Not real difficult to do that at FSU.

The thing that the OP is forgetting is that FSU played those teams BEFORE 1976 and Bobby Bowden. It was not just while they were an independent. When they were in the Dixie conference they played the big money schools. But tell us what big time Midwestern or Southeastern school is willing to travel to Boise? Not many are willing to do it. Too expensive and not much exposure. Granted FSU has scheduled a home and home with BSU, but besides them who else would be willing to to it? It was much easier due to location for FSU to get the big money schools.

That's just it. FSU was willing to go on the road and not expect the opponent to visit. I think Boise is at a point where they will generate lots of exposure for themselves by doing this. The only obstacle is getting the opponents to schedule them (Boise expects big payouts). I think a lot of the big boys see it as a lose-lose; i.e.- if they beat them it is expected, but if they lose they are seen as a has-been loser and damages their brand. The best thing they could do is get into a better conference and then their OOC would not be as critical.

 

[FSUmanager]

That's just it. FSU was willing to go on the road and not expect the opponent to visit. I think Boise is at a point where they will generate lots of exposure for themselves by doing this. The only obstacle is getting the opponents to schedule them (Boise expects big payouts). I think a lot of the big boys see it as a lose-lose; i.e.- if they beat them it is expected, but if they lose they are seen as a has-been loser and damages their brand. The best thing they could do is get into a better conference and then their OOC would not be as critical.

Also need to remember that those teams also came to FSU. It was not just FSU going everywhere. That is the problem for BSU. You cannot just have home games in conference. You need to bring in the big boys once a year to help out. Location is truly what is killing them. The payout they require is high because of their size and location. Cannot invest money if you are barely making anything on road trips. Especially in that conference.

 

[BigRedMoe]

Also need to remember that those teams also came to FSU. It was not just FSU going everywhere. That is the problem for BSU. You cannot just have home games in conference. You need to bring in the big boys once a year to help out. Location is truly what is killing them. The payout they require is high because of their size and location. Cannot invest money if you are barely making anything on road trips. Especially in that conference.

FSU played in Lincoln 4 straight times without Nebraska ever coming to visit. FSU-Nebraska split those four games. So, no, FSU was willing to play without a return visit and were successful in doing so. That's part of the point that RA was making.
BSU is demanding something like $1million per visit. That's crazy money.

 

[FSUmanager]

FSU played in Lincoln 4 straight times without Nebraska ever coming to visit. FSU-Nebraska split those four games. So, no, FSU was willing to play without a return visit and were successful in doing so. That's part of the point that RA was making.
BSU is demanding something like $1million per visit. That's crazy money.

Yes they did. Now think about the National Exposure they received then. There was no ESPN covering every game then. It is simply a different era where that model will not work. BSU already has the exposure from their primetime games. My point was that FSU played the big teams at home as well. Not all of them, but most of them. Now the 1 million they are asking is for a one and done game. Hell most schools pay an FCS team half or 3/4 of a mill.

The h and h with FSU is not costing FSU a million. The thing that makes me laugh are schools who choose not to do a home and home with BSU. Why not? Because their stadium is small? Lame excuse if ask me.

 

[ericd7633]

That's just it. FSU was willing to go on the road and not expect the opponent to visit. I think Boise is at a point where they will generate lots of exposure for themselves by doing this. The only obstacle is getting the opponents to schedule them (Boise expects big payouts). I think a lot of the big boys see it as a lose-lose; i.e.- if they beat them it is expected, but if they lose they are seen as a has-been loser and damages their brand. The best thing they could do is get into a better conference and then their OOC would not be as critical.

I think Boise has done a good job of going on the road in the last decade or so and also played some good games at home when they've been able to.

2013:
@ Washington (Finished 22nd in computer rankings)
@ BYU (39)

2012:
@ Michigan State(39)
BYU (55)

2011:
vs. Georgia, in Atlanta(Ga) (18)
@ Toledo (37)
Tulsa (33)

2010:
vs. Virginia Tech, Landover(MD) (16)
Oregon State

2009:
Oregon (9)

2008:
@ Oregon (14)

2006:
Oregon State (15)
@ Utah (50)

2005:
@ UGA (13)
@ Oregon State

2004:
Oregon State (24)
@ UTEP (30)

And they have upcoming games @ BYU, Virginia, Oregon State, Washington State, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Cincinnati, and Michigan State.

It looks as though the only teams they could get a home and home with were the Oregon/Washington schools. Travelling to UGA, Michigan State, and Atlanta, Landover, and now Atlanta again for this year's neutral site game is pretty good IMO. They are restricted by their conference, and it would be unrealistic to expect them to play all of their OOC games on the road/neutral sites.

 

[Red_Alert]

Does Texas even have an 83 winning % in the Big 12 in the BCS era? Does OU even have it. OU might but I doubt Texas does. My point is that it's hard for even the best of programs to have that winning %. And no, I used winning % as a means as to why a Nebraska fan should be questioning Boise State. And BCS appearances, BCS wins and wins versus ranked teams.

I guess I need to ask you these questions again.

1. Does Boise have that winning percentage playing in the Big XII or Big 10?
2. Does Boise go 13-0 and 14-0 in 2006 and 2009 (BCS bowls) playing in the Big XII or Big 10?
3. Are Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno St, and TCU, undefeated or one loss RANKED teams in the Big XII or Big 10?

You realize (MWC) TCU (whom Boise beat 17-10 in the Fiesta (BCS) had it's only power 5 wins over Virginia (3-9) and Clemson (9-5)? One doesn't sniff a bowl, the other is in the Music City Bowl.

 

[BigRedMoe]

I think Boise has done a good job of going on the road in the last decade or so and also played some good games at home when they've been able to.

2013:
@ Washington (Finished 22nd in computer rankings)
@ BYU (39)

2012:
@ Michigan State(39)
BYU (55)

2011:
vs. Georgia, in Atlanta(Ga) (18)
@ Toledo (37)
Tulsa (33)

2010:
vs. Virginia Tech, Landover(MD) (16)
Oregon State

2009:
Oregon (9)

2008:
@ Oregon (14)

2006:
Oregon State (15)
@ Utah (50)

2005:
@ UGA (13)
@ Oregon State

2004:
Oregon State (24)
@ UTEP (30)

And they have upcoming games @ BYU, Virginia, Oregon State, Washington State, Oklahoma State, Florida State, Cincinnati, and Michigan State.

It looks as though the only teams they could get a home and home with were the Oregon/Washington schools. Travelling to UGA, Michigan State, and Atlanta, Landover, and now Atlanta again for this year's neutral site game is pretty good IMO. They are restricted by their conference, and it would be unrealistic to expect them to play all of their OOC games on the road/neutral sites.

I agree, they have been diligent about getting at least one marquee game a season and I look forward to those games. Again, the biggest obstacle they face is their conference though. I'd love to see them in the BigXII. I think that would be a pretty good fit and give them a lot more SOS credibility come season's end.

 

[Red_Alert]

It is in how you types things up. The quote I gave is why it comes off as ripping on them. And you cannot compare FSU and BSU. Different eras, coaches, towns, states, populations, and locations. Idaho is not a hotbed of college football. Florida is and has been for some time. This is also why it can seem that you are ripping on them. Again if all you wanted to do was show that they have not invested enough in their stadium fine, but all of the wins/losses and everything was unnecessary imo.

If anybody is ripping on them it is you, right there in that post.

Hypocrite much?

 

[Red_Alert]

The problem lies in the HUGE differences in the two schools. I listed many reasons as to why you cannot use the FSU model in this era. Conferences, affiliations, scheduling, and so on. And again there is the whole difference in location. Hard to get top recruits to go to Boise. Not real difficult to do that at FSU.

The thing that the OP is forgetting is that FSU played those teams BEFORE 1976 and Bobby Bowden. It was not just while they were an independent. When they were in the Dixie conference they played the big money schools. But tell us what big time Midwestern or Southeastern school is willing to travel to Boise? Not many are willing to do it. Too expensive and not much exposure. Granted FSU has scheduled a home and home with BSU, but besides them who else would be willing to to it? It was much easier due to location for FSU to get the big money schools.

There you go ripping on Boise again.

Cot dammit. They've gone (12-1), (13-1), (11-1), (13-0), (12-1), (14-0), (12-1), (12-1), and (11-2). They have a better winning %, beaten more ranked teams, won more, and been to as many or more BCS bowls than 90% of the SEC, Big XII, PAC, ACC, and Big 10 teams.

Location my ass. Like smilesid said the other day, "Even Alabama is afraid to schedule them".

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

You can definitely see where Boise turned the corner.....that's for sure.

For a while there any big named program just meant an auto loss, but then 2006 came.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

I can't rip on Boise.

Unlike my team, they actually go out and play somebody in the OOC.

 

[4down20]

I can't rip on Boise.

Unlike my team, they actually go out and play somebody in the OOC.

Their conference schedule is all the OOC games people give teams shit for playing.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Their conference schedule is all the OOC games people give teams shit for playing.

Maybe....but how do you help that if you're little old Boise?

 

[4down20]

Maybe....but how do you help that if you're little old Boise?

Quit being a bunch of greedy pricks and take whatever you can get. The same thing FSU did.

Boise St doesn't get games because they make crazy demands, not because people are scared of them. They expect home and home games, but then they also expect the other team to pay them like $1 million when they come to the other teams stadium as if they are a 1 and done paid team. Meanwhile, Boise St has nothing to offer the team on their visit to Idaho. They can't even sell out a less than 40k stadium, have no market, and isn't a good place for recruiting.

I have no pity for them. They don't really want a better schedule, they just want to pretend like they do while reaping the rewards.

They bitch about the BCS and yet the BCS rewarded them well beyond what they actually deserved.

Fuck em.

 

[ericd7633]

I guess I need to ask you these questions again.

1. Does Boise have that winning percentage playing in the Big XII or Big 10?
2. Does Boise go 13-0 and 14-0 in 2006 and 2009 (BCS bowls) playing in the Big XII or Big 10?
3. Are Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno St, and TCU, undefeated or one loss RANKED teams in the Big XII or Big 10?

You realize (MWC) TCU (whom Boise beat 17-10 in the Fiesta (BCS) had it's only power 5 wins over Virginia (3-9) and Clemson (9-5)? One doesn't sniff a bowl, the other is in the Music City Bowl.

First, I did answer question #1 - I said no they wouldn't have an 83% winning percentage, and like I pointed out, nobody in a power conference has an 83% winning percentage over the BCS era if I had to guess.

#2. You realize Boise State beat the Big 12 Champ at the end of that season? Would they have gone undefeated that year in the Big 12, I don't know. Would they have won the Big 12 to get the auto bid, I think that team could have. Could they have gone undefeated in 06 in the Big 10? I doubt it with that team, could they have gone to a BCS game with Ohio State's B1G schedule and Boise's OOC schedule, definitely.

As for 2009, could they have won the Big 10? With that team, definitely. Would they have gone undefeated, I again doubt it. Same with the Big 12. But why do they have to go undefeated? You know how many teams went undefeated in 2009 outside Boise State, only Alabama, so you're holding them to a standard of the national champion. Does Nebraska go undefeated with Boise's schedule in those years? I'd say no.

And I answered #3 as well.

 

[outofyourmind]

This future schedule for Boise looks pretty damn good.


Boise State Broncos Football Schedules and Future Schedules

 

[4down20]

First, I did answer question #1 - I said no they wouldn't have an 83% winning percentage, and like I pointed out, nobody in a power conference has an 83% winning percentage over the BCS era if I had to guess.

#2. You realize Boise State beat the Big 12 Champ at the end of that season? Would they have gone undefeated that year in the Big 12, I don't know. Would they have won the Big 12 to get the auto bid, I think that team could have. Could they have gone undefeated in 06 in the Big 10? I doubt it with that team, could they have gone to a BCS game with Ohio State's B1G schedule and Boise's OOC schedule, definitely.

As for 2009, could they have won the Big 10? With that team, definitely. Would they have gone undefeated, I again doubt it. Same with the Big 12. But why do they have to go undefeated? You know how many teams went undefeated in 2009 outside Boise State, only Alabama, so you're holding them to a standard of the national champion. Does Nebraska go undefeated with Boise's schedule in those years? I'd say no.

And I answered #3 as well.

Texas was undefeated until the final game in 2009.