Which season was the aberration.....2012...or 2013?

[skinsdad62]

the read option is a play , the pistol is a formation

people call it a gimmick offense to down grade what RG3 did as a rookie . the fact is we ran it about 130 or so plays out of 1000 or so plays . i posted those numbers before as well

i dont hear anyone saying the 49ers offense is a "gimmick offense " or the seahawks with wilson running the play

 

[Caliskinsfan]

the read option is a play , the pistol is a formation

people call it a gimmick offense to down grade what RG3 did as a rookie . the fact is we ran it about 130 or so plays out of 1000 or so plays . i posted those numbers before as well

i dont hear anyone saying the 49ers offense is a "gimmick offense " or the seahawks with wilson running the play

Xactly. Should have used the proper terminology. But that's what I was meaning.

 

[Sharkinva]

the read option is a play , the pistol is a formation

people call it a gimmick offense to down grade what RG3 did as a rookie . the fact is we ran it about 130 or so plays out of 1000 or so plays . i posted those numbers before as well

i dont hear anyone saying the 49ers offense is a "gimmick offense " or the seahawks with wilson running the play

We shall see this year. If Griffin can be one of the better QBs playing as a more traditional QB, then he will silence the critics. If he plays as a pocket passer and he turns into average bob.... well I think you know where that will go.

 

[skinsdad62]

i see no reason why he wouldnt be improved . i also see no reason to abandon a play the works for you or the formation

a coach should play to a players strengths. and not "fit " him into a system .

i think you will see some pistol looks , some read option plays , but the vast majority of the offense will look like the WCO we have run throughout RG3's career as the numbers i have previously posted show

to remind you again , in year one Rg3 rushed 120 times of which 61 were designed read option plays out of 1000 plays . he handed to morris or another RB about 100 times . in total 161 plays were read option out of around 1000 plays

last year it was even less

so we ran about 839 WCO plays in year one

 

[Skin'EmAll]

2013

As mentioned, we suffered the effects of the cap penalty, and our head coach making a poor decision to start our franchise QB before he was physically ready to play a full season. I'm not quite sure how some consider the run option and pistol formation....gimmicks. IMO it is another form of playaction, that sent us, the 49ers and Seahawks to the playoffs and ultimately...for the Seahawks a superbowl title. The league had to adjust its rules due to its effectiveness.
In 2012, we let a lot of teams back in games, including the Seahawks, because we could not seal the deal defensively.
...Our defense, is what will make or break us for how far we can go. A new coach will always catch teams by surprise because you don't exactly know what he'll run.

 

[Sharkinva]

2013

As mentioned, we suffered the effects of the cap penalty, and our head coach making a poor decision to start our franchise QB before he was physically ready to play a full season. I'm not quite sure how some consider the run option and pistol formation....gimmicks. IMO it is another form of playaction, that sent us, the 49ers and Seahawks to the playoffs and ultimately...for the Seahawks a superbowl title. The league had to adjust its rules due to its effectiveness.
In 2012, we let a lot of teams back in games, including the Seahawks, because we could not seal the deal defensively.
...Our defense, is what will make or break us for how far we can go. A new coach will always catch teams by surprise because you don't exactly know what he'll run.

Come on man... We have finished ass end charley four of the last five years, and the one time we didnt is what you consider the norm?? Forget about who you blame for last year. Reality is we have been closer to a 3-13 team than a 10-6 team. I agree that considering the hype around our "franchise" QB and all the fire power we have given him, combined with the rest of the Division not being that good, we SHOULD have a good shot at the division. But Skinsdads 6-10 prediction wouldnt shock me.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Come on man... We have finished ass end charley four of the last five years, and the one time we didnt is what you consider the norm?? Forget about who you blame for last year. Reality is we have been closer to a 3-13 team than a 10-6 team. I agree that considering the hype around our "franchise" QB and all the fire power we have given him, combined with the rest of the Division not being that good, we SHOULD have a good shot at the division. But Skinsdads 6-10 prediction wouldnt shock me.

This is the NFL. For the overwhelming majority of teams the difference between 6-10 and 10-6 is very small & generally comes down to injuries. The same is most likely true for the Redskins & you can't use the past as an accurate gauge for this season & beyond.

There are a lot of variables for this team that will determine this & it goes way beyond simply RG3. HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

BTW - I don't know why anyone would get upset at anyone's prediction here or elsewhere or use it as a measuring stick for the team. Go back & search for predictions over the years & you will see that the overwhelming majority are wrong.

Also - correct me if I am wrong - but I seem to recall that Skinsdad picks the Skins to finish 6-10 (or close) almost every single season. I will be shocked when he picks them to have a winning record (not saying he is wrong just pointing out what I recall to be true).

 

[Sharkinva]

BTW - I don't know why anyone would get upset at anyone's prediction here or elsewhere or use it as a measuring stick for the team. Go back & search for predictions over the years & you will see that the overwhelming majority are wrong.

Also - correct me if I am wrong - but I seem to recall that Skinsdad picks the Skins to finish 6-10 (or close) almost every single season. I will be shocked when he picks them to have a winning record (not saying he is wrong just pointing out what I recall to be true).

Dude... Im not upset with any ones predictions. But the question was asked which season was the aberration?? 2012 or 2013.

Aberration- a departure from what is normal, usual, or expected.

We may say we expect the team to finish 10-6 every off season. But in reality I think we know what the norm has been for this team. And that makes 2012 the aberration.

 

[Sportster 72]

the read option is a play , the pistol is a formation

people call it a gimmick offense to down grade what RG3 did as a rookie . the fact is we ran it about 130 or so plays out of 1000 or so plays . i posted those numbers before as well

i dont hear anyone saying the 49ers offense is a "gimmick offense " or the seahawks with wilson running the play

If you would like more detailed play breakdown/formation I'll be happy to provide. I was trying to keep from writing war and peace. Essentially what I was saying was the Redskins ran a lot of pistol formation, therefore you didn't know if read option was coming from the that formation or inside zone run, outside zone run some sort of passing combination etc. Most of their action came from play action again a disguise to keep the defense off balance. When Griffin turned you had no idea if he was going to hand off, drop back or run around the end. That was the reason Shanahan installed the pistol, you couldn't tell from formation what you were going to get from the offense.

I already mentioned San Fran and Seattle installing the zone read to their offense in mid season. Remember Kaep scorching Green Bay with it?

The fact of the matter is installing the offense helped Robert his first year because it was an offense similar to what he ran in college. He had NO pro offense. experience in college. It caught the league by surprise and defenses didn't catch up until after 2012. I know my main concern after drafting him was how were they going to transition him from a spread offense to a pro offense and Kyle did a great job that first year.

Welcome 2013, Griffin was not healthy enough to run the zone read and really not healthy enough to run any style offense. Seattle and San Fran tried running it at first but found out they didn't have as much success. Although not a Pete Carroll fan what he did with Wilson last year was very smart. They practice off schedule/breakdown plays (whatever you want to call them.) This allows a short Wilson to get out of the pocket where he doesn't seen downfield very well and use his legs to keep plays alive and also to get out from behind the line. Wilson's best work was on plays like this.

As I said earlier the zone read offense is not a gimmick, but I really don't think you will see it work to the same extent we saw in 2012. Now Robert will have a new offense, it is up to Gruden and McVay to help him transition into a more pro style offense. I think most of us have high hopes that this will be successful.

 

[Sharkinva]

Now Robert will have a new offense, it is up to Gruden and McVay to help him transition into a more pro style offense. I think most of us have high hopes that this will be successful.

Do I hope the new offense works?? Yes Im a skins fan at the end of the day. Can I realistically say that i think Griffin can make the transition to a more traditional style AND be an elite QB?? I will just say that not many option style QBs can make the switch and become elite.

 

[skinsdad62]

socal i do have us at 6-10 . and with good reason . 5 of the last 6 seasons we were dead last hence the onslaught of 6-10\s

during the gibbs era i had us at 10-6 a few times

so the truth is 3-13 is closer to the norm

and for us to get better the defense will have to be better . i assume the offense will hence i believe the defense will make or break us

that doesnt mean that RG3 is absolved of anything . it means that the defense has to be difference makers in wins

when push comes to shove defense wins championships even if you have peyton manning