Ulterior motives at Redskins park

[Sharkinva]

Shark, have you ever wondered why so many of Shanahan's former star/starting QB's, not back up quarterbacks...never have anything good to say about him?

On another note, this was an interesting article I remember reading last year on Hogs Heaven. Opinions will vary, but you cant hide from the truth of Shanahan's reign in Washington.

MUST READ: Mike Shanahan?s Brilliant Last Act by KC Clyburn - Hogs Haven

MItz... I can guarantee you there are plenty of people who have worked under Shanahan that didnt like him personally and likely dont have anything "Good" to say about him. But lets face it, Elway was an almost until Shanahan got there ( kinda like Romo). Cutler would not be starting if Shanahan had not given him the chance. And McNabb was a self entitled but munch who felt the team should change for him, not the other way around. Whats funny is, the coaches tailored and offense to fit the Skillset that RG3 had, but apparently that wasnt good enough either. He got hurt in both the Baltimore and Seattle games due to his own actions on the field... but according to you its all the coaches fault. got it.

 

[skinsdad62]

I will ask a simple question... how much MORE of a distraction would an openly pouting RG3 have been? Had Shanahan done what you suggest, you really think RG3 would have been able to keep quiet and not publically sulk and become a team distraction?? He damn near threw a hissy fit when Cousins started and won the Browns game. I think had Shanahan not started him week one, there would have been rumors of the Skins possibly trying to deal him, or of him asking to be traded.

shark this is one of the things that make me laugh when you respond

are you going to tell me that shanahan allowed a spoiled 23 year old brat diva to dictate to him about who plays and how ? really ?

did we forget the albert haynesworth fiasco ? AH didnt want to be a NT and shanny said yes you will . then he went through that very public failed physical conditioning test and how the web site went round and round about it and how reporters were doing the test ? i believe shanny was right about it however it was a rather public humiliation


you dont like that one then i will give you the DMAC fiasco he traded 2 draft picks for him named him starter and handed him the keys . but slowly things started to go wrong . the team was losing and DMAC was making mistakes . he wanted an extensions but shanny wasnt too forthcoming . then we get to detroit where he throws a late pick and he pulls him from the game and puts rex freaking grossman in . then he comes up with the lame ass , he didnt know how to run the 2 minute drill crap

then we get the extension signed and then he benchs DMAC for the season . then we have a public pout session from DMAC that lasted after he left the skins and into his broadcasting career .

remember when DMAC came out publicly and wanted to talk to RG# about the shanny's ?

now he was in his mid thirty's and he couldnt let it go but the young 24 RG3 should ?

so back to the original response , of course shanny would have risked a public distraction from a young RG3 because shanny in his tenure here didnt shy away from one

now everyone always likes to go CSI on RG3 . well in another thread i am going to start in the next few days i am going to lay out a CSI bananza going the other way and alot of it will have truths in it and alot of it will have simple foolishness

but no more foolish then some of the charges labeled against RG3 . stay tuned

my theory is shanny checked out after the seatle game and some of this stems from that

 

[Sportster 72]

LMAO @ CSI .... again?

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad... of course your theory is that Shanahan checked out after the Seattle game. It supports your loyalty to Rg3. The Haynesworth and McNabb situations were different and we both know it. Why you ask?? Because McNabb was a two year rental at best, and Haynesworth was the coach trying to show who was in charge. Neither player was going to have the owner back them over the coach. Rg3 on the other hand, if push came to shove and Shanny went to Dan and said he needed to go, Dan would have fired Shanny ( which he eventually did). I know you dont want to think RG3 manipulated the situation, but he did. And I seriously think if Shanahan had simply checked out, he wasnt hurt enough for money that he needed to spend another year doing a job that his heart wast into.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad... of course your theory is that Shanahan checked out after the Seattle game. It supports your loyalty to Rg3. The Haynesworth and McNabb situations were different and we both know it. Why you ask?? Because McNabb was a two year rental at best, and Haynesworth was the coach trying to show who was in charge. Neither player was going to have the owner back them over the coach. Rg3 on the other hand, if push came to shove and Shanny went to Dan and said he needed to go, Dan would have fired Shanny ( which he eventually did). I know you dont want to think RG3 manipulated the situation, but he did. And I seriously think if Shanahan had simply checked out, he wasnt hurt enough for money that he needed to spend another year doing a job that his heart wast into.

the fact remains that he didnt shy away from distraction in those 2 cases shark period . to say he allowed RG3 to do what he did to avoid distraction goes against even his most recent history

and again shark RG3 did have something to do with what went on . but the facts are you have been on RG3's case just about from jump street because you didnt like the price of the trade

you ignore all of Rg3's good points and harp on the bad

he kept his mouth shut most of the off season then he comes out with " ulterior motives '' and everything is erased .

 

[Sharkinva]

the fact remains that he didnt shy away from distraction in those 2 cases shark period . to say he allowed RG3 to do what he did to avoid distraction goes against even his most recent history

and again shark RG3 did have something to do with what went on . but the facts are you have been on RG3's case just about from jump street because you didnt like the price of the trade

you ignore all of Rg3's good points and harp on the bad

he kept his mouth shut most of the off season then he comes out with " ulterior motives '' and everything is erased .

Skinsdad, I maintain I think we made the deal for the wrong guy. But how is my pointing out his every flaw any different that your glossing over any thing he does that could be considered a negative. You want to be a fan of the player, Im a fan of the team but think we took the wrong player for the wrong price. And I do think he had ulterior motives in his behavior last year. As I have noted.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad, I maintain I think we made the deal for the wrong guy. But how is my pointing out his every flaw any different that your glossing over any thing he does that could be considered a negative. You want to be a fan of the player, Im a fan of the team but think we took the wrong player for the wrong price. And I do think he had ulterior motives in his behavior last year. As I have noted.

look everything that kid does and says is way over analyzed . i am just tired of people throwing out ten thousand speculations in which most are later debunked

the kid could have been a bit more savvy about things . i get it

did it occur to you that some of what he says is true? i am a fan of the team . i support all of our players , ok i am the biggest homer here .

the truth will come out some day but how about some fairness here ? dont expect 24 yr olds to do things 34 yrs olds cant do themselves

 

[Mitziman]

No doubt we all agree and disagree at times, but at the end of the day...we all love this team! Sharks major issue is he feels the Redskins gave up too much to get RG3. Maybe, maybe not. It had only been like 20 years since the Redskins had a legitimate chance to have a franchise QB. 20 YEARS!

Oh, and by the way...all those picks the RAMS allegedly stole via the trade have produced how many playoff appearances to date?

 

[Sharkinva]

No doubt we all agree and disagree at times, but at the end of the day...we all love this team! Sharks major issue is he feels the Redskins gave up too much to get RG3. Maybe, maybe not. It had only been like 20 years since the Redskins had a legitimate chance to have a franchise QB. 20 YEARS!

Oh, and by the way...all those picks the RAMS allegedly stole via the trade have produced how many playoff appearances to date?

Get it right. I think we gave up too much to get him and STILL wont have a franchise QB in the end. What the Rams did or did not do with the Picks is immaterial. We gave up four high draft picks for a slightly upgraded version of Andre Ware with a messiah complex.

 

[j_y19]

Get it right. I think we gave up too much to get him and STILL wont have a franchise QB in the end. What the Rams did or did not do with the Picks is immaterial. We gave up four high draft picks for a slightly upgraded version of Andre Ware with a messiah complex.

Really, Shark? You've already anointed him a slightly better version of Andre Ware and have diagnosed him with a messiah complex. Brilliant. I actually agree with much of your positioning on this subject, but you once again take it too far. Just as some can see no wrong, you can see no right. Both sides have their head in the sand.

 

[Sharkinva]

Really, Shark? You've already anointed him a slightly better version of Andre Ware and have diagnosed him with a messiah complex. Brilliant. I actually agree with much of your positioning on this subject, but you once again take it too far. Just as some can see no wrong, you can see no right. Both sides have their head in the sand.

Many have already anointed him a franchise QB who can do no wrong. Consider me a Redskins fan who is the polar opposite when it comes to RG3. And Im ok with that. Maybe he will prove me wrong in which case I will have a whole lot of crow to eat. But I honestly think in the years to come, we will look back at the trade and regret it.

 

[Mitziman]

Many have already anointed him a franchise QB who can do no wrong. Consider me a Redskins fan who is the polar opposite when it comes to RG3. And Im ok with that. Maybe he will prove me wrong in which case I will have a whole lot of crow to eat. But I honestly think in the years to come, we will look back at the trade and regret it.

Shark, take a deep breath bruh...I've never said Robert "can do no wrong". He's a youngskin, and obviously has a lot to learn. But who created this "RG3" phenomenon anyway? Robert? LOL. I think the kid has done pretty well handling himself considering the era in which he came into the league. But, you are right time will tell.

"messiah"?, now that's funny! He didn't hit on your daughter or stiff you an autograph did he? Let it go bro, let it go...IMO, he's our best hope after 20 long years of not having a quarterback that has the potential to actually win something.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark, take a deep breath bruh...I've never said Robert "can do no wrong". He's a youngskin, and obviously has a lot to learn. But who created this "RG3" phenomenon anyway? Robert? LOL. I think the kid has done pretty well handling himself considering the era in which he came into the league. But, you are right time will tell.

"messiah"?, now that's funny! He didn't hit on your daughter or stiff you an autograph did he? Let it go bro, let it go...IMO, he's our best hope after 20 long years of not having a quarterback that has the potential to actually win something.

He might not have created RG3, but he is sure playing into it at every chance.

And as far as a QB who can actually win something.... If Eli Manning can get two Rings, Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco and Fucking Russel the Hobbit Wilson can get a ring... for fuck sake that alone says we got butt raped on the trade. We gave up four high draft picks for Andre Ware. So forgive me if Im a bit pissed on that one. Because I NEVER see this guy becoming Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or any other "Franchise" QB.

 

[Sportster 72]

There are some of us who were not in favor of the trade before, during or after it happened. I was one of those. Having said that I was all in after year 1. It was an awful lot to give up for one guy and I remember saying if this guy isn't a perennial top 5 QB it was a bad trade.

Having said all that he is who we have. These days I root more for the uniform than the players. Griffin isn't the first hope this team has had in 20 years. He is the most celebrated. The team drafted future QBs Shuler, Ramsey and Campbell. They don't get brought up because they all were pretty close busts or close to a bust. I will hope Griffin becomes a very good QB still. Like Shark I'll also reserve the right to say "we told you it was a bad trade" if he doesn't work out. Right now we have to give the kid a break though because he obviously wasn't fully recovered from being injured last year and he missed valuable experience last off season because of the injury.

 

[skinsdad62]

look RG3 needs to grow up . he needs to stop trying to be AP and being the hero

just focus on the game and keep the mouth shut as much as possible

and shark you should read my "CSI investigation "

 

[Skin'EmAll]

He might not have created RG3, but he is sure playing into it at every chance.

And as far as a QB who can actually win something.... If Eli Manning can get two Rings, Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco and Fucking Russel the Hobbit Wilson can get a ring... for fuck sake that alone says we got butt raped on the trade. We gave up four high draft picks for Andre Ware. So forgive me if Im a bit pissed on that one. Because I NEVER see this guy becoming Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or any other "Franchise" QB.

LOL! The season is almost here. I'm attempting to tackle one problem at a time but its difficult, great argument Shark....you've got a LOT of firepower underneath that palate of yours. Personally, I think a losing season the first year without the major injury would have been fine for the team, Shanahan and RGIII. NO ONE expected ANYTHING but a last place finish. The league would have still copied what we were doing in D.C. and the team would have shown flashes of what we are capable of producing.

Shanahan would have gotten a pass after being fired for an awful roster, RGIII would either be working for a new coach OR in Shanahan's contract year....you would have seen a more disciplined team win the division and Shanahan re-signed.

We lost nothing in the trade, we've had more success than st.louis and we MAY have a franchise QB, they clearly don't. St. louis is now in the toughest division in football...
Also, its funny the 4 QBs you mentioned had OUTSTANDING or Elite defenses backing them up...we haven't had that since the 80's

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Nope, I dont hate the kid. I do hate that so many people seem to hold him above reproach. I do dislike that he manipulated the situation and every one seems to think last years failures were all on Shanahan and Griffin was just the victim. And i do hate that he plays into that to a degree.

OK - thanks for the clarification. As I have stated several times - I am a Redskins fan period. I root for RG3 since he is the QB and one of the major reasons for hope for this team. If he somehow plays elsewhere later I will really not be that interested in him. Ditto Shanahan - I really could care less about him at this time & excuse me for not feeling sorry for a guy who is currently being paid a fortune for doing nothing.

I think that a lot of Redskins fans think the same as me - we don't worship RG3 or hold him above reproach. However - we see him as the main hope for this franchise & while we believe that he is responsible for a lot of the problems last year we can certainly forgive him & look forward to his contributions over the coming years.

Again - I really could care less about some ill advised quotes during interviews & believe that people put way too much stock into that type of thing. Now that you have established that you don't hate the guy how about a sentence or two from you about what you actually like about the guy? Cmon - you can do it. Please. Lol.

I also believe that people need to get past the trade from several years ago (which I still like). You are going to drive yourself nuts trying to undo things that can never be undone.

HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

LOL! The season is almost here. I'm attempting to tackle one problem at a time but its difficult, great argument Shark....you've got a LOT of firepower underneath that palate of yours. Personally, I think a losing season the first year without the major injury would have been fine for the team, Shanahan and RGIII. NO ONE expected ANYTHING but a last place finish. The league would have still copied what we were doing in D.C. and the team would have shown flashes of what we are capable of producing.

Shanahan would have gotten a pass after being fired for an awful roster, RGIII would either be working for a new coach OR in Shanahan's contract year....you would have seen a more disciplined team win the division and Shanahan re-signed.

We lost nothing in the trade, we've had more success than st.louis and we MAY have a franchise QB, they clearly don't. St. louis is now in the toughest division in football...
Also, its funny the 4 QBs you mentioned had OUTSTANDING or Elite defenses backing them up...we haven't had that since the 80's

Save for the RG3 injury I really don't have an issue with the fact that they had success in RG3's initial season and a letdown last season. Back to back so-so seasons may have resulted in Shanahan still being around & very likely a ticket to continual mediocrity. Again - I just don't like the idea of these high powered coaches also being the main personnel decision makers. They are the ultimate control freaks.

The way things panned out may be a blessing in disguise (with Gruden or perhaps someone else at a later date). I am pretty happy with the way things are at the current time. Time will tell if this team disappoints.

 

[Sharkinva]

Socal... I agree you cant take back the trade. However my hope is that we dont use the trade to justify sinking more resources into this guy in the off chance that he really turns out to just be average Bob.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Socal... I agree you cant take back the trade. However my hope is that we dont use the trade to justify sinking more resources into this guy in the off chance that he really turns out to just be average Bob.

Well - if RG3 has a few more years just like last season I am pretty sure that he will not get the big contract (if he is seriously injured he definitely won't). We should all just hope that he turns this around with the help of his teammates. Remember - if they somehow get rid of RG3 in a few seasons it will most likely take another 2 seasons to get things back on track barring a miracle. I don't want to wait 4+ seasons to have a contender.

Now - please write a reply with just two things that you like about RG3. Thanks.