Richaard Sherman's New Deal

[Uhsplit]

It's a wee bit on the pricey side for a CB but the issue will be potentially for the cap for Seattle since they now have 24 million tied up to two positions in the secondary.

It's not that he's undeserving of it but secondary is sorta like the offensive line in that it's effectiveness is more as a unit and not as just a single person.

The draft is really going to be paramount for Seattle going forward since RW will be up for big time money as well.

That goes without saying but since you brought it up, SF will require better results than they have been getting in the draft. They have many holes and are up against the cap with contracts looming for Kaep and Crabs, plus Boldin and J Smith will need replacements soon.

I think Seattle is in better shape with its roster and the expense of that roster compared to SF.

 

[Uhsplit]

There is a very slight percentage they might, there is a VERY large percentage they won't.

Looking at Kam's performance after he signed his new deal last year, it is obvious Dunce knows what he is talking about. ET and Sherm will earn their millions.

Go Seahawks.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

This was going to happen.

When you have an elite player and the best at his position, you consider making them the top paid in the league. If they don't have attitude problems, are great for the locker room, and help others, you don't consider it at all and just make it happen.

What screws teams are when they go spend a ton on free agents who have no history or loyalty to a team or overpay mediocre players.

Yes this means guys like Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, and some of the D-Lineman go, but that's why you replace through the draft and COACH up. Bobby Wagner/KJ Wright and a D-lineman (Avril) I'm fine losing if we keep the top SS/FS/CB and possibly best DE that fits our position.

Seattle doesn't even require that much from their LBer core. With Thomas they basically have 4 LBers on the field at all times (Chancellor looms over the middle) and Sherman basically helps neutralize any WR in the game (to an extent). So you've taken away deep middle, deep #1, THE middle both run and pass. All you need is enough D-Line to stop a run soundly (not hard with Chancellor back there) and generate enough pass pressure to not have the secondary fall apart completely. Enough time = a completion (everyone knows this).

The cap going up will help resign Wilson, Harvin will be asked to re-structure if he doesn't have a knockout year, and Okung re-signing will practically cost nothing since he was #4 in the non-CBA year. It'll be probably cheaper lol.

 

[Jikkle]

That goes without saying but since you brought it up, SF will require better results than they have been getting in the draft. They have many holes and are up against the cap with contracts looming for Kaep and Crabs, plus Boldin and J Smith will need replacements soon.

I think Seattle is in better shape with its roster and the expense of that roster compared to SF.

Roster wise I would say both teams are in roughly the same shape.

The only major concern from the 9ers side is CB and they could use an explosive WR and some depth.

They do have young guys in the wings as replacements but whether they pan out is a whole other story. They have Tank Carradine who would've likely been a top 15 pick if healthy as would Marcus Lattimore. I liked what I saw from Lemonier and Patton last season with their limited time as well.

And with 11 picks this year (not that they will use them this season) there will likely be even more guys drafted with being replacements in mind.

I see both the Seahawks and 9ers as teams that could have their window open for years to come as they strive to balance of making moves to win now and moves to win in the future.

 

[dredinis21]

That goes without saying but since you brought it up, SF will require better results than they have been getting in the draft. They have many holes and are up against the cap with contracts looming for Kaep and Crabs, plus Boldin and J Smith will need replacements soon.

I think Seattle is in better shape with its roster and the expense of that roster compared to SF.

Uhsplit, some of what you have said about the Niners is sorta true but I fail to see the many holes you are talking about. We have WR and CB depth issues. That's it. Justin Smith's heir apparent was already drafted and red shirted last year in Tank Carradine. We will certainly address DE in the draft at some point, but it's more a luxury pick then a need at this point.

At WR, I agree with the assessment that we will need to draft but at the same time, it is not an immediate need. The replacement for Boldin is somewhat legit but at the same time, he just signed a two year deal and his game has much more to do with body control and physicality then speed so I don't expect him to drop off. I'm not worried about Crabs as many have expected the cap to rise exponentially over the next couple seasons, much like SEA didn't worry when they spend, what, 25 mil on two players in their secondary.

At CB, we certainly need some help but our starting CB are young and luckily for us, this draft is chalk full of them.

It's no different then me telling you that SEA OL, TE, and WR corps is in serious need of upgrade. SEA has been kind of terrible in terms of drafting OL and their TE and WR corp is serviceable at best.

I guess I just don't get where you can compare and contrast SEA and SF's roster/cap issues in terms as if it's some sort of pissing match. Both teams are in need of upgrades. Both teams have done well in the draft. Both teams have bombed picks in recent memory as well. Both have cap magicians that aren't going to let the team sit on dead money. Both will have stiff competition as the NFC West as a whole is STRONG. It will be fun but the reality is that both teams are in relatively the same boat in terms of importance of the draft and how it shapes the future.

 

[Naughtymax]

CB's are becoming more valuable in today's pass happy NFL, and Sherman is the best CB in the NFL so he deserves to get paid the most.

Just ask him...

 

[RegentDenali]

Great to have the best shutdown corner in the NFL locked up for years to come.

Schneider manages the cap to perfection. Locked and loaded for another SB run.

Go Hawks!!! LOB!!!

 

[SonnyCID]

This was going to happen.

When you have an elite player and the best at his position, you consider making them the top paid in the league. If they don't have attitude problems, are great for the locker room, and help others, you don't consider it at all and just make it happen.

What screws teams are when they go spend a ton on free agents who have no history or loyalty to a team or overpay mediocre players.

Yes this means guys like Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, and some of the D-Lineman go, but that's why you replace through the draft and COACH up. Bobby Wagner/KJ Wright and a D-lineman (Avril) I'm fine losing if we keep the top SS/FS/CB and possibly best DE that fits our position.

Seattle doesn't even require that much from their LBer core. With Thomas they basically have 4 LBers on the field at all times (Chancellor looms over the middle) and Sherman basically helps neutralize any WR in the game (to an extent). So you've taken away deep middle, deep #1, THE middle both run and pass. All you need is enough D-Line to stop a run soundly (not hard with Chancellor back there) and generate enough pass pressure to not have the secondary fall apart completely. Enough time = a completion (everyone knows this).

The cap going up will help resign Wilson, Harvin will be asked to re-structure if he doesn't have a knockout year, and Okung re-signing will practically cost nothing since he was #4 in the non-CBA year. It'll be probably cheaper lol.

Nailed it. It's a steep price but we know what Sherman brings to Seattle. For contrast, who knows what Talib or Ware will bring to Denver?

 

[cdumler7]

Nailed it. It's a steep price but we know what Sherman brings to Seattle. For contrast, who knows what Talib or Ware will bring to Denver?

It's not like the broncos are stuck with them longer than say 2 years. The broncos have signed all of their big name players to mostly year by year contracts with little to no dead money if they don't pan out. Throw in ware is regarded in nfl as one of the best players in both the locker room and on the field when healthy. Talib has played at a pro bowl level on two separate teams so unless he gets hurt have a hard time seeing him not live up to his contract.

 

[SonnyCID]

It's not like the broncos are stuck with them longer than say 2 years. The broncos have signed all of their big name players to mostly year by year contracts with little to no dead money if they don't pan out. Throw in ware is regarded in nfl as one of the best players in both the locker room and on the field when healthy. Talib has played at a pro bowl level on two separate teams so unless he gets hurt have a hard time seeing him not live up to his contract.

Bringing players from the outside to play big roles is always scarier than resigning your own impact players.

Sure, Seattle doesn't "improve on paper" with this move, but holding on to your own good players is always more preferable than going out and potentially overpaying them off the street. People seem to put a lot of value behind additions that teams make with UFAs because of the sexy, known names, but so many dont work out for a large number of reasons.

 

[RegentDenali]

Nailed it. It's a steep price but we know what Sherman brings to Seattle. For contrast, who knows what Talib or Ware will bring to Denver?

Ditto. Players like Thomas and Sherman have proved their the best at their position in the NFL and they've been indoctrinated from their rookie seasons to work with this system. Pete Carroll is resigned for years as well. The risk factor of paying them is much lower than signing FAs to top money.

The worst is when you draft 1st round busts or break the bank for FA's like Fat Albert Haynesworth who proceed to provide you little to no value.

Sherman and Thomas fall under neither of those categories.

Great day for the Seahawks. This speaks for itself.

 

[Uhsplit]

Uhsplit, some of what you have said about the Niners is sorta true but I fail to see the many holes you are talking about. We have WR and CB depth issues. That's it. Justin Smith's heir apparent was already drafted and red shirted last year in Tank Carradine. We will certainly address DE in the draft at some point, but it's more a luxury pick then a need at this point.

At WR, I agree with the assessment that we will need to draft but at the same time, it is not an immediate need. The replacement for Boldin is somewhat legit but at the same time, he just signed a two year deal and his game has much more to do with body control and physicality then speed so I don't expect him to drop off. I'm not worried about Crabs as many have expected the cap to rise exponentially over the next couple seasons, much like SEA didn't worry when they spend, what, 25 mil on two players in their secondary.

At CB, we certainly need some help but our starting CB are young and luckily for us, this draft is chalk full of them.

It's no different then me telling you that SEA OL, TE, and WR corps is in serious need of upgrade. SEA has been kind of terrible in terms of drafting OL and their TE and WR corp is serviceable at best.

I guess I just don't get where you can compare and contrast SEA and SF's roster/cap issues in terms as if it's some sort of pissing match. Both teams are in need of upgrades. Both teams have done well in the draft. Both teams have bombed picks in recent memory as well. Both have cap magicians that aren't going to let the team sit on dead money. Both will have stiff competition as the NFC West as a whole is STRONG. It will be fun but the reality is that both teams are in relatively the same boat in terms of importance of the draft and how it shapes the future.

dred, you provide a good argument.

I took Jikkle's post the wrong way as in The Hawks better draft well or Seattle is hosed. SF is in the same boat.
Jikkle is a solid poster.

Go Seahawks.

 

[dredinis21]

dred, you provide a good argument.

I took Jikkle's post the wrong way as in The Hawks better draft well or Seattle is hosed. SF is in the same boat.
Jikkle is a solid poster.

Go Seahawks.

Go Niners!

 

[gohusk]

It's a lot of money to throw at 3 defensive players but these are the 3 most important defensive players on the #1 defense in the league. Wright and Wagner are studs but it's a lot easier to fill slots at LB'er than it is in the defensive backfield. The team was still a top 5 defense when we basically sucked at the d-line and the lb'er positions 3 years ago.

 

[Uhsplit]

It's a lot of money to throw at 3 defensive players but these are the 3 most important defensive players on the #1 defense in the league. Wright and Wagner are studs but it's a lot easier to fill slots at LB'er than it is in the defensive backfield. The team was still a top 5 defense when we basically sucked at the d-line and the lb'er positions 3 years ago.

We will be just fine. Another infusion of young talent for depth is about to start in a few hours.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Lot of money but Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman are #1 at their position in the league which happens to be pass happy at the moment. If you run a 4-3 all you need is a great secondary and front 4. There's no reason to spend any money on linebackers. Wagner/Wright will likely both be gone unless they just play for mega cheap.

 

[Lemon Harang Pie]

Lot of money but Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman are #1 at their position in the league which happens to be pass happy at the moment. If you run a 4-3 all you need is a great secondary and front 4. There's no reason to spend any money on linebackers. Wagner/Wright will likely both be gone unless they just play for mega cheap.

I know you guys are all Seahawks fans but we're talking about defensive backs here. What's the shelf life on a "shutdown" defensive back, two or three years?

 

[SonnyCID]

I know you guys are all Seahawks fans but we're talking about defensive backs here. What's the shelf life on a "shutdown" defensive back, two or three years?

It's no less than the shelf life of any other defensive position.

QB and receiver are the only positions that seem to consistently have longer shelf lives than other positions.

 

[Lemon Harang Pie]

It's no less than the shelf life of any other defensive position.

QB and receiver are the only positions that seem to consistently have longer shelf lives than other positions.

I'm not sure why you think that's an intelligent point.

 

[SonnyCID]

I'm not sure why you think that's an intelligent point.

My point is that most football players have a short shelf life. Should no team pay a premium for them even if they're really good and currently making an impact on a team?