the need at safety

[skinsdad62]

Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

good breakdown here . i am thinking that they may not address this area unless the BPA is in play at a particular spot . i think they are hoping thomas and/or rambo can break through

 

[gkekoa]

That's what I have been saying all along.

 

[skinz2winz]

I'm thinking they take another S in the later rounds. (5-6)

 

[skinsdad62]

i kind of like edwards from stanford at the right spot

 

[Sleepy T]

I'm being a Hokie homer today. Anyone Exum in the 5th would be great. That is his natural position although he mostly played CB at VT (played S his first)

 

[Ritzarmy]

I would like for Skins to get a FS in the draft but very weak class this year and doubt the value will be there when we select each round.

Each RD best FS that might be available
2) FS Bailey
3) FS Loston
4) FS Dixon
5) FS Exum
6) FS Ladler
7) FS Whitley

 

[Sportster 72]

I'm with Keim. Pass rushers make stars out of safeties and CBs. Ask the Giants.

 

[Sharkinva]

IM just wondering how many draft picks and young players we are willing to simply write off at this point?? If we draft a safety high, we are basically saying either Rambo, Thomas or Gumbs was a waste if time and resources.

 

[j_y19]

IM just wondering how many draft picks and young players we are willing to simply write off at this point?? If we draft a safety high, we are basically saying either Rambo, Thomas or Gumbs was a waste if time and resources.

And? Maybe one or more was a bad pick. How long do you hang onto a bad pick until its OK to cut him loose?
Rambo has a long way to go. I'm not convinced he will get there. He has never been able to tackle. In a perfect world, maybe we give him another year to two. But the fact that he couldn't even contribute on STs is very telling to me. A rookie safety has to be able to play and tackle well enough to play STs. I've said this befre, but tackling is as much a want to thing as a know how to thing. Some guys don't like the contact, especially in open field tackling.

If Pryor or Clinton-Dix drops to us at 34 that's a no brainer. If Ward is there for us in the 3rd, that's also a no brainer. Don't worry about what it means for a 6th round project you have on your roster. Maybe that will help him in the want to department.

 

[Sharkinva]

And? Maybe one or more was a bad pick. How long do you hang onto a bad pick until its OK to cut him loose?
Rambo has a long way to go. I'm not convinced he will get there. He has never been able to tackle. In a perfect world, maybe we give him another year to two. But the fact that he couldn't even contribute on STs is very telling to me. A rookie safety has to be able to play and tackle well enough to play STs. I've said this befre, but tackling is as much a want to thing as a know how to thing. Some guys don't like the contact, especially in open field tackling.

If Pryor or Clinton-Dix drops to us at 34 that's a no brainer. If Ward is there for us in the 3rd, that's also a no brainer. Don't worry about what it means for a 6th round project you have on your roster. Maybe that will help him in the want to department.

Agreed maybe one or all were bad picks. But seeing as Thomas didnt even take a snap, Rambo was pressed into starting way too soon. And Gumbs actually showed some promise. Add in the signing of Clark and Merriweather... I just dont see Safety as something we should be hunting. If the 34th pick came and Dix was on the board, I would hope they trade back. As for Ward, I have seen him as high as the 1st round, and as low as the top of the 3rd. And as I said before, at some point with massive change you end up spinning wheels. Too much change all at once and its hard to pin point what actually worked and what didnt. Net result is ... wash, rinse, repeat. Dont think so.. ask a Raiders fan.

 

[j_y19]

Agreed maybe one or all were bad picks. But seeing as Thomas didnt even take a snap, Rambo was pressed into starting way too soon. And Gumbs actually showed some promise. Add in the signing of Clark and Merriweather... I just dont see Safety as something we should be hunting. If the 34th pick came and Dix was on the board, I would hope they trade back. As for Ward, I have seen him as high as the 1st round, and as low as the top of the 3rd. And as I said before, at some point with massive change you end up spinning wheels. Too much change all at once and its hard to pin point what actually worked and what didnt. Net result is ... wash, rinse, repeat. Dont think so.. ask a Raiders fan.

Just because Rambo was pressed into the starting role too early is no excuse to not be able to execute a fundamental tenant of the game. I could understand it if we were asking him to call signals or he got confused by formation and coverage. But tackling?????? For a Safety?? I know some here say we need to be patient and coach him up. The more I think about that, that's BS. I'm sure every coach he has ever had has tried to coach him up with this weakness. The fact is most likely the guy doesn't like contact. That's a fundamental flaw for an defensive player, especially one that is our last line of defense.

As for drafting a S, even with the 3 young guys you mention, our 2 starters are most likely gone after this year. We need depth and we need potential starters. Drafting a safety makes sense this year. If you can get an elite one, even better. But just like at T, don't reach.

 

[Sharkinva]

Just because Rambo was pressed into the starting role too early is no excuse to not be able to execute a fundamental tenant of the game. I could understand it if we were asking him to call signals or he got confused by formation and coverage. But tackling?????? For a Safety?? I know some here say we need to be patient and coach him up. The more I think about that, that's BS. I'm sure every coach he has ever had has tried to coach him up with this weakness. The fact is most likely the guy doesn't like contact. That's a fundamental flaw for an defensive player, especially one that is our last line of defense.

As for drafting a S, even with the 3 young guys you mention, our 2 starters are most likely gone after this year. We need depth and we need potential starters. Drafting a safety makes sense this year. If you can get an elite one, even better. But just like at T, don't reach.

Dude... he came in with a rep as being a ball hawk with tackling issues. What should we have expected. I honestly dont think his coaches tried to coach him up as far as tackling. His mission was to break up passes and pick off passes. You dont try and teach Mike Tyson how to rope-a-dope. Most "Ball Hawks" come into the NFl with suspect tackling skills. Most "enforcers" dont get many picks. I think what Killed rambo is thomas being injured. Thomas was supposed to be the enforcer that allowed rambo to be the ball hawk.

 

[j_y19]

Dude... he came in with a rep as being a ball hawk with tackling issues. What should we have expected. I honestly dont think his coaches tried to coach him up as far as tackling. His mission was to break up passes and pick off passes. You dont try and teach Mike Tyson how to rope-a-dope. Most "Ball Hawks" come into the NFl with suspect tackling skills. Most "enforcers" dont get many picks. I think what Killed rambo is thomas being injured. Thomas was supposed to be the enforcer that allowed rambo to be the ball hawk.

NO doubt he has had this issue forever. But there is a difference between being suspect tackler and not being able to tackle at all. The dude wiffed many times. He drops his head, he takes bad angles, and he tries to knock the legs out of the ball carrier instead of wrapping up. Tackling is not the rope a dope, its more like knowing how to jab, bob, and weave. Its a fundamental part of the sport. Rope a dope is a gimmick that only an exceptional boxer could pull off against a very specific opponent.

I think you also are putting too much faith in Thomas. He too was a rookie and probably should not be a starter. He needs seasoning and experience.

 

[Sharkinva]

NO doubt he has had this issue forever. But there is a difference between being suspect tackler and not being able to tackle at all. The dude wiffed many times. He drops his head, he takes bad angles, and he tries to knock the legs out of the ball carrier instead of wrapping up. Tackling is not the rope a dope, its more like knowing how to jab, bob, and weave. Its a fundamental part of the sport. Rope a dope is a gimmick that only an exceptional boxer could pull off against a very specific opponent.

I think you also are putting too much faith in Thomas. He too was a rookie and probably should not be a starter. He needs seasoning and experience.

You just discribed Deion Sanders and DeAngelo Hall until recently to a tee. And Im not putting too much faith in thomas so much as saying thats the type of Player Rambo needs to play next to. A guy who IS a sure tackler with some speed and center field ability. The guy who will be there to clean up if rambo whiffs on a tackle or more likely misses the pass breakup or INT he was going for.

 

[j_y19]

You just discribed Deion Sanders and DeAngelo Hall until recently to a tee. And Im not putting too much faith in thomas so much as saying thats the type of Player Rambo needs to play next to. A guy who IS a sure tackler with some speed and center field ability. The guy who will be there to clean up if rambo whiffs on a tackle or more likely misses the pass breakup or INT he was going for.

He is no deion or even deangelo for that matter, and never will be. Plus, they were/are CBs, not Safeties. Your safety is you last line of defense. You have to be able to open field tackle when you are a safety. As far as Thomas goes, if I understand their expectations, Thomas will be more of the strong safety, playing much closer to the line most of the time. He will not be there for Rambo when he wiffs. If Rambo makes the roster again this year, he better dedicate himself to becoming the best ST player of the team. When he can excel at STs, he has solved his tackling issues.

 

[skinsdad62]

And? Maybe one or more was a bad pick. How long do you hang onto a bad pick until its OK to cut him loose?
Rambo has a long way to go. I'm not convinced he will get there. He has never been able to tackle. In a perfect world, maybe we give him another year to two. But the fact that he couldn't even contribute on STs is very telling to me. A rookie safety has to be able to play and tackle well enough to play STs. I've said this befre, but tackling is as much a want to thing as a know how to thing. Some guys don't like the contact, especially in open field tackling.

If Pryor or Clinton-Dix drops to us at 34 that's a no brainer. If Ward is there for us in the 3rd, that's also a no brainer. Don't worry about what it means for a 6th round project you have on your roster. Maybe that will help him in the want to department.

the last few games of the year he did show he could tackle and i put film on this website to prove it . now i agree he may never be a starting FS . but he did pick up his tackling when he was pressed into service late in the year .

i see clinton dix , prior, ward and edwards as the only real upgrades in the draft to what we have

i certainlywant to see what a healthy thomas has to offer but cutting rambo and/or gumbs doesnt spell doom or gloom for me

 

[skinsdad62]

NO doubt he has had this issue forever. But there is a difference between being suspect tackler and not being able to tackle at all. The dude wiffed many times. He drops his head, he takes bad angles, and he tries to knock the legs out of the ball carrier instead of wrapping up. Tackling is not the rope a dope, its more like knowing how to jab, bob, and weave. Its a fundamental part of the sport. Rope a dope is a gimmick that only an exceptional boxer could pull off against a very specific opponent.

I think you also are putting too much faith in Thomas. He too was a rookie and probably should not be a starter. He needs seasoning and experience.

you are using early season tape , later on the season most of those flaws were corrected or on there way to being corrected

 

[Sharkinva]

you are using early season tape , later on the season most of those flaws were corrected or on there way to being corrected

Im telling you man, the desperation for MASSIVE change around here is maddening at times. I realize when you are 3-13 things do need to change. But you dont fix a problem by throwing all new parts at it... unless you happen to be a Ford mechanic.

 

[skinsdad62]

Im telling you man, the desperation for MASSIVE change around here is maddening at times. I realize when you are 3-13 things do need to change. But you dont fix a problem by throwing all new parts at it... unless you happen to be a Ford mechanic.

i have no issue if we pick a safety up . i really dont however if we dont and we decide to see what rambo and thoas offer i wont be pissed

 

[j_y19]

Im telling you man, the desperation for MASSIVE change around here is maddening at times. I realize when you are 3-13 things do need to change. But you dont fix a problem by throwing all new parts at it... unless you happen to be a Ford mechanic.

Shark, WTF are you talking about? What is massive about suggesting we take BPA and if that is a safety, take him? I've also said if its a Tackle, take him, a WR, take him. I would be OK with about 7 or 8 positions. But I'm not ruling out a pick because of position, either. You come across as so set on WR with the 34 pick that you refuse to consider anything else. Your excuses range from "massive change" (BTW for a 3 win team, kinda goes with the territory) to you don't want the team to take an OL for the sole reason of "protecting the franchise" (RG3) because you apparently think that Robert should have a cape and an S on his chest and do it all himself.