Great job by the officials

[rmilia1]

I saw the clock didnt start right away first thing. Great ballsy and correct ca
Ll to end the game

 

[JuiceTheGator]

 

[asindc]

Tomorrow's headline in Charlotte Observer: Time Runs Out on Tar Heels

 

[RGrabber]

I saw the clock didnt start right away first thing. Great ballsy and correct ca
Ll to end the game

I agree, but I think some of the rules are strange. Such as, they can check who knocked a ball out in the last 2 minutes of a game but not before. What that means is that if the refs make a mistake with 2:01 left it is not as important as with 1:59 left.

The rule should be changed to just "make it right whenever".

Possessions or points scored or not scored count just as much early in the game as late. If you don't agree then maybe baskets made in the last two minutes should count for more points also.

And, it is absolutely time to make fouls that are obviously made to put the opponent on the foul line should be 2 shots and the ball. When the coach on the sideline says, "try of the steal and if you don't get it FOUL", that is an intentional foul, it seems everyone in the building, watching on TV and the announcers all know the foul is coming, only the refs seem unaware that the foul is made with the excuse that "he was going for the ball". BS and everyone knows it.

 

[wildturkey]

Just speaking about the tournament in general, they've done a really shitty job managing the clock. Most of the time, they're taking like 2 minutes real time to make a 10 second call about putting 0.3 seconds on the clock. Ridiculous.

 

[podsox]

supposedly they got it wrong. unc was suppose to be given the ball under their own basket with 1.6. I think what happened was the right decision though

 

[jonvi]

I watched the game and thought the call was spot on.

 

[NDHoosier101]

Just speaking about the tournament in general, they've done a really shitty job managing the clock. Most of the time, they're taking like 2 minutes real time to make a 10 second call about putting 0.3 seconds on the clock. Ridiculous.

It is. They need to change the rule in the off season so refs only check the clock under 30 seconds. It's been extending games way too long and kills all flow when you go the monitor after every little discrepancy. Teams are getting like 6 extra timeouts at the end of games, it's not fun to watch. I understand wanting to get it right but it's really hurting the game.


As for the OP, yeah, the right call was made. What would have been interesting is if he hit the shot before the buzzer went off, but the game should have already ended.

 

[jonvi]

It is. They need to change the rule in the off season so refs only check the clock under 30 seconds. It's been extending games way too long and kills all flow when you go the monitor after every little discrepancy. Teams are getting like 6 extra timeouts at the end of games, it's not fun to watch. I understand wanting to get it right but it's really hurting the game.


As for the OP, yeah, the right call was made. What would have been interesting is if he hit the shot before the buzzer went off, but the game should have already ended.

That's a good point. Overturning a last second shot would have been popular.

 

[RGrabber]

It is. They need to change the rule in the off season so refs only check the clock under 30 seconds. It's been extending games way too long and kills all flow when you go the monitor after every little discrepancy. Teams are getting like 6 extra timeouts at the end of games, it's not fun to watch. I understand wanting to get it right but it's really hurting the game.


As for the OP, yeah, the right call was made. What would have been interesting is if he hit the shot before the buzzer went off, but the game should have already ended.

Explain to me why the last 30 seconds is more important than the last 31 seconds, the last minute or anytime during the game.

Your argument would be better if you said not at all. But to make one part of the game different than the others is wrong.

It is the same issue when the announcers say "the refs are letting them paly" or you can't make that call in the last minute of a close game". If a foul is committed and not called in the last few seconds does it not give an advantage to the team that committed the fouls. The rules should be the same for the entire game or not at all.

 

[douggie]

Yeah, I thought it was a great call. Fuck Carolina.

 

[H2S]

Presumed Disputability...

tech is here to stay...less magic, more reality...c'est la vie.

The rules should be the same for the entire game or not at all.

I agree.
If any call is questionable it should be reviewed...ditto clock management. Rather than thinking about it as onerous to the fans (which it is and will be - except when the calls go in their favor) I view it as a challenge to television production crews to provide increasingly tight, multi-angled quality coverage of every minute of the contest.

 

[gordontrue]

supposedly they got it wrong. unc was suppose to be given the ball under their own basket with 1.6. I think what happened was the right decision though

I don't know the rule, but this is what I expected to happen. The more I think about it, the more I think it was unfair for UNC.

They should be able to look to the clock and trust that it is giving them accurate information to make a decision.

For example, if you look at the clock and see 5 seconds, you will probably decide to keep dribbling or make a pass. If you look at the clock and see 0.5 seconds, you will launch a shot.

Now... with only 1.5 seconds left, of course, UNC should know that there is no way in hell they can dribble to mid court and call a timeout... but that shouldn't change the fact that they deserve an accurate clock to play out the game against.

 

[NDHoosier101]

Explain to me why the last 30 seconds is more important than the last 31 seconds, the last minute or anytime during the game.

Your argument would be better if you said not at all. But to make one part of the game different than the others is wrong.

It is the same issue when the announcers say "the refs are letting them paly" or you can't make that call in the last minute of a close game". If a foul is committed and not called in the last few seconds does it not give an advantage to the team that committed the fouls. The rules should be the same for the entire game or not at all.

It is fundamentally different from the last 31 seconds, there's no shot clock anymore (on the change of possession that they'd be checking).

Trying to argue that possessions at the beginning of the game are just as important as possessions at the end of a close game is simply illogical.

 

[uncfan103]

I agree, but I think some of the rules are strange. Such as, they can check who knocked a ball out in the last 2 minutes of a game but not before. What that means is that if the refs make a mistake with 2:01 left it is not as important as with 1:59 left.

The rule should be changed to just "make it right whenever".

Possessions or points scored or not scored count just as much early in the game as late. If you don't agree then maybe baskets made in the last two minutes should count for more points also.

And, it is absolutely time to make fouls that are obviously made to put the opponent on the foul line should be 2 shots and the ball. When the coach on the sideline says, "try of the steal and if you don't get it FOUL", that is an intentional foul, it seems everyone in the building, watching on TV and the announcers all know the foul is coming, only the refs seem unaware that the foul is made with the excuse that "he was going for the ball". BS and everyone knows it.

They got rid of the intentional foul rule. Intent is irrelevant now, right?

 

[uncfan103]

I don't know the rule, but this is what I expected to happen. The more I think about it, the more I think it was unfair for UNC.

They should be able to look to the clock and trust that it is giving them accurate information to make a decision.

For example, if you look at the clock and see 5 seconds, you will probably decide to keep dribbling or make a pass. If you look at the clock and see 0.5 seconds, you will launch a shot.

Now... with only 1.5 seconds left, of course, UNC should know that there is no way in hell they can dribble to mid court and call a timeout... but that shouldn't change the fact that they deserve an accurate clock to play out the game against.

It wasn't unfair to UNC, the game clock was at 0.0 when the referees actually acknowledged the time out despite the fact that the clock started late.

What is unfair and what the refs should change because of the way instant replay is used is that one of the refs should know unc might be calling a time out and should look for it. Looking to see whether a player got a shot off before the buzzer should be the least of their worries, and they should probably change the way they teach referees.

 

[redseat]

The job of the officials is to CALL THE GAME! Not look for time-outs though uncfan103. They should focus on the court and players and out of the corner of their eyes (easier said than done) see a time-out being called.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Calls and rules should be the same throughout the game, regardless of time.

If you create rules for different aspects of the game at different times, then you create inconsistency, which is what you don't want.

A foul is a foul...3 minutes into a game, or 3 seconds left into a game. The Ref's job is to call a foul when he sees a foul. Not change the rules, or the object of his job based on the time on the clock.

If you are able to review a play with under 2:00 left, then you should be able to review a play with 12:00 left, or create a replay system like every other major sport has done to get the call right in some fashion. Every play is important in and of itself. Sure, that last second shot that goes in, or misses, gets all the 'pub' but it really is no more imprtant than all the previous shots that went in, or didn't...miss, or make, any of those additional shots prior, and that last shot isn't even relevant...

 

[uncfan103]

The job of the officials is to CALL THE GAME! Not look for time-outs though uncfan103. They should focus on the court and players and out of the corner of their eyes (easier said than done) see a time-out being called.

I agree. But it shouldn't take all of the officials to call the game in the final 2 seconds. Especially when they know the situation is one commonly used to call a time out. Nobody needs to know if the shot went in on time, and they don't need to know who the ball went out on because of instant replay. It shouldn't take every single official to tell if there was a foul/travel or whatever else they need to look at when there are only a few seconds left.

 

[redseat]

I agree. But it shouldn't take all of the officials to call the game in the final 2 seconds. Especially when they know the situation is one commonly used to call a time out. Nobody needs to know if the shot went in on time, and they don't need to know who the ball went out on because of instant replay. It shouldn't take every single official to tell if there was a foul/travel or whatever else they need to look at when there are only a few seconds left.

I would much rather the officials looking at the play on the court then on the side lines. Too much happens on the court and sometimes it needs everyone's attention to be called. I see your point though.