Kaepernick looking for $18 million per year

[RegentDenali]

Too low, Jay Cutler's base is $22mil... He should ask for more than that...

I agree. 25 mil a year sounds right for Kaep.

 

[cdumler7]

I agree. 25 mil a year sounds right for Kaep.

You realize in saying that if Kaep would actually sign for this much that just increases the price for Wilson right? I mean Wilson has more starts, wins, better statistics, and of course a Super Bowl ring. So as funny as it would be to see Kaep get that kind of contract I think as a Seattle fan if that happens you should start crying now because that either means you sign Wilson and lose possibly Thomas or Sherman or lose Wilson and sign Sherman and Thomas.

 

[darken65]

You realize in saying that if Kaep would actually sign for this much that just increases the price for Wilson right? I mean Wilson has more starts, wins, better statistics, and of course a Super Bowl ring. So as funny as it would be to see Kaep get that kind of contract I think as a Seattle fan if that happens you should start crying now because that either means you sign Wilson and lose possibly Thomas or Sherman or lose Wilson and sign Sherman and Thomas.

Yes ,some posters who would love the 9ers to spend top dollar on Kap have to understand it will be heading their way soon....have fun!

 

[RegentDenali]

Kaep takes off running way more than Wilson. He's like the 49ers #2 RB. Thus he gets 22+ mil a year. No worries SF. You can always back load the contract.

 

[Uhsplit]

That is all very possible regarding RW's upcoming contract. Yet, the Seahawks play to a different drummer. Our whole team does. Our FO has been laughed at almost every year after the draft. What does Pete and JS say? Pfffftttt! They draft for themselves and not for the NFL.

We launched Houshyomamma with $8M guaranteed for the last year he was here. Put a 330LB washed up DT and moved him to DE-a 330 lb DE! Signed Flynn for millions only to promote the rookie 3rd rounder instead. Rap music at practice and lots of it. A rah rah coach that virtually everyone said was an NFL failure and his schtick will not work with adult players.
RW is not money driven. Investigate if you don't believe me.
RW's endorsements will make him millions as he is a very good spokesman.
He is the anti-Kaep.
I'm not saying he will give the team a financial break. I am saying those that predict RW demanding all of the gold may be quite mistaken and shocked at the same time.
Also, I say screw anyone that thinks Romo, Cutler, Stafford et al are worth anywhere near what they make. Not a chance.

 

[cowboycolors]

Also, I say screw anyone that thinks Romo, Cutler, Stafford et al are worth anywhere near what they make. Not a chance.[/QUOTE]

It's not what you or anybody else thinks they are worth, it is what the market says they are worth that dictates the contract of todays non-rookie NFL QB contract. Simple supply and demand economics. The new CBA is setup to hold down costs for the first contract the rookies sign then the costs escalate and serious decisions need to be made.

Seattle is enjoying the fruits of some serious work by the coach and GM but it will come crashing down as the team gets picked over as players hit FA. Happened to my Cowboys way back and the Pats, Baltimore etc will happen to Seattle. Enjoy while it lasts.

And on Romo and his contract it is all subjective depending on your views and bias of the player or team being discussed.

Just saying

 

[cdumler7]

Kaep is making just as much in endorsements so don't think you can factor that into the equation. Heck manning and Brees make more in endorsements than Wilson or kaep yet still took the big contract. People have to remember that the whole hometown discount thing is usually like 5% not 30-40% like some of you Seahawks fans keep thinking he is going to take. Yes some will point to Brady but he also has a wife that makes even more than him so not sure he can be looked at as the example.

 

[Uhsplit]

Also, I say screw anyone that thinks Romo, Cutler, Stafford et al are worth anywhere near what they make. Not a chance.

It's not what you or anybody else thinks they are worth, it is what the market says they are worth that dictates the contract of todays non-rookie NFL QB contract. Simple supply and demand economics. The new CBA is setup to hold down costs for the first contract the rookies sign then the costs escalate and serious decisions need to be made.

Seattle is enjoying the fruits of some serious work by the coach and GM but it will come crashing down as the team gets picked over as players hit FA. Happened to my Cowboys way back and the Pats, Baltimore etc will happen to Seattle. Enjoy while it lasts.

And on Romo and his contract it is all subjective depending on your views and bias of the player or team being discussed.

Just saying[/QUOTE]

A solid response and I knew I was open for debate when I wrote that sentence. IMO, just because a manager on a losing team thought Revis was worth $16Million, doesn't mean that is now the market.
Regarding Romo, look at your cap situation and if you are happy with Tony's expense against the cap, then that is what is important. I see a team that will be $15M over the cap who's QB will have a cap hit of a little over $21M. You can't cut him though because $41M will be dead money.
My opinion is that he just isn't worth that kind of $.

 

[BoBlake]

If one team will pay Revis 16MM, then the market for Revis is 16MM. If one team will pay anybody anything, then THAT's the market.

I hope we get Wilson for 18MM. He surely won't get paid any less than that.

 

[cdumler7]

If one team will pay Revis 16MM, then the market for Revis is 16MM. If one team will pay anybody anything, then THAT's the market.

I hope we get Wilson for 18MM. He surely won't get paid any less than that.

With the Cap going up I agree $18 million is the starting point in the negotiations at least for the Seahawks side. Depending if any players have any big signings between now and when Wilson starts looking into getting signed my guess is Wilson's agent could have a starting point somewhere around $25 million. They probably meet somewhere in the middle at say $21-22 million.

 

[MHSL82]

If one team will pay Revis 16MM, then the market for Revis is 16MM. If one team will pay anybody anything, then THAT's the market.

I hope we get Wilson for 18MM. He surely won't get paid any less than that.

That's true, but not the whole thing. I don't know much about antiques, but if I had money and I felt somebody was going to take it for $100,000 when the next guy bidding would give actually only pay $25,000; if I give $110,000, I paid over market value. For everyone else, if they wanted it, they'd have to pay $110,001 or more.

The way I see it is, market value is what anybody else besides you would pay. So it depends on who you are. For someone other than Tampa Bay who wants Revis, 16 million is the market, as you say, because they'd have to outbid the Buccaneers. But for Tampa Bay, the team who just traded for him and the only team who could negotiate with him, who knows what the market was? 12 million? Could they have paid 13? If you say he would leave for less than 16 and sign with a contender for 10 but Tampa Bay for 16, that's not the market, that's the player.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

That is all very possible regarding RW's upcoming contract. Yet, the Seahawks play to a different drummer. Our whole team does. Our FO has been laughed at almost every year after the draft. What does Pete and JS say? Pfffftttt! They draft for themselves and not for the NFL.

We launched Houshyomamma with $8M guaranteed for the last year he was here. Put a 330LB washed up DT and moved him to DE-a 330 lb DE! Signed Flynn for millions only to promote the rookie 3rd rounder instead. Rap music at practice and lots of it. A rah rah coach that virtually everyone said was an NFL failure and his schtick will not work with adult players.
RW is not money driven. Investigate if you don't believe me.
RW's endorsements will make him millions as he is a very good spokesman.
He is the anti-Kaep.
I'm not saying he will give the team a financial break. I am saying those that predict RW demanding all of the gold may be quite mistaken and shocked at the same time.
Also, I say screw anyone that thinks Romo, Cutler, Stafford et al are worth anywhere near what they make. Not a chance.

No offense man, but that's typical homer talk. We as fans like to act like we know what the star player is thinking behind the scenes. In reality, we have no idea. Every year, after a team wins the SB all the fans start talking about keeping the team together and "hometown discounts" and how a certain player is not money driven. I remember all of Baltimore talking about it with Joe Flaco. If RW has another solid year, he will be asking for 20mil+. It's the NFL and they ALL play for the money.

 

[cdumler7]

No offense man, but that's typical homer talk. We as fans like to act like we know what the star player is thinking behind the scenes. In reality, we have no idea. Every year, after a team wins the SB all the fans start talking about keeping the team together and "hometown discounts" and how a certain player is not money driven. I remember all of Baltimore talking about it with Joe Flaco. If RW has another solid year, he will be asking for 20mil+. It's the NFL and they ALL play for the money.

Like I said hometown discounts are more in the range of maybe 5% not 30-40% like some on here seem to suggest with Wilson. I mean when you are saying he will take $15 million a year when on the open market today he could get somewhere in the maybe $25 million range we are talking over a 5 year period possibly $50 million lost. That is asking a lot for anybody to do. I understand not everybody is driven by money but there is a level of respect that has to be met. With the new Cap Space $15 million a year is an insult to a top level quarterback or at least one that is viewed that way like that of Wilson.

 

[JDM]

Especially if his desire to be an owner (even a partial one) is something he's actually going for.

 

[cdumler7]

Especially if his desire to be an owner (even a partial one) is something he's actually going for.

Yeah that $50 million could definitely go a long way in helping him be an owner some day. As much as he isn't about the money he is one of the few players that is looking beyond his career as an NFL player and what he will need to succeed at life after football. With his plans and shooting so big he is going to need every penny he can get.

 

[Uhsplit]

No offense man, but that's typical homer talk. We as fans like to act like we know what the star player is thinking behind the scenes. In reality, we have no idea. Every year, after a team wins the SB all the fans start talking about keeping the team together and "hometown discounts" and how a certain player is not money driven. I remember all of Baltimore talking about it with Joe Flaco. If RW has another solid year, he will be asking for 20mil+. It's the NFL and they ALL play for the money.

No offense taken. I don't think I am expecting discounts from the many FA's we are expecting to have to deal with. I just think RW is a different kind of cat and is motivated by things other than what motivates a typical athlete.
He is different than many.

 

[Mondio]

Does anybody ever really take the "hometown discount"? every once and while they say, so and so signed for less money, but do they really? I have a feeling the guaranteed money is pretty much the same in almost all those situations. So some team offered the guy 15 million in the last year of his contract that he'll never see, and somehow he took less money to stay with the 'hometeam"

These guys like money. I think Wilson is smart and I do think he's self motivated. Doesn't mean he doesn't know his worth. I doubt he'll be outspoken, I doubt any of it happens in the media, I doubt he'll "take less" to play for the home team. If Seattle is dumb enough to let him see FA, he'll go where the money is. I have a feeling though it will come from Seattle before he's ever a FA and it will just happen. It won't be a media spectacle.

 

[cdumler7]

No offense taken. I don't think I am expecting discounts from the many FA's we are expecting to have to deal with. I just think RW is a different kind of cat and is motivated by things other than what motivates a typical athlete.
He is different than many.

He is different but he also has lofty goals for his life beyond just winning Super Bowls. He wants to be an owner and he is not stupid in he knows that will take some major bucks. Yes I could see him giving them a fair deal but that still means somewhere around $20 million a season not this $15 million I keep seeing thrown around. I mean guys who haven't even won a playoff game are getting $18 million. You really think he would even with a discount take less than that?

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Too low, Jay Cutler's base is $22mil... He should ask for more than that...

Cutler isn't even close to being worth that kinda money.. Insane

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

He is different but he also has lofty goals for his life beyond just winning Super Bowls. He wants to be an owner and he is not stupid in he knows that will take some major bucks. Yes I could see him giving them a fair deal but that still means somewhere around $20 million a season not this $15 million I keep seeing thrown around. I mean guys who haven't even won a playoff game are getting $18 million. You really think he would even with a discount take less than that?

Russ is gonna want to get paid obviously but he is a high character guy and he knows if he takes the bank it will hurt the team overall in the long run… The guy LOVES competing and wouldn't want to be a negative down the road for the team… It's gonna be interesting how it play's out… Russ knows the endorsement dollars are a big key also… I have no doubt he's gonna get a huge contract BUT I can see him not going crazy with it and coming to a reasonable figure…