Jim Haslett

[Tdog21Skins]

I do think that Mike Shanahan was meddling with Jim Haslett and the defense, and if so then shame on him..we should let Jim Haslett run the defense the way that he wants too and we should let him unleash Orakpo if he resigns and Kerrigan.

 

[Sharkinva]

Come on man, havent you gotten the general consensus vibe around here. It was all Mike Shanahans fault as far as why RG3 had issues, and why the offense failed and for everything else including global warming....except for the defense. Thats all Haslett and he should have been fired. Our defense could be solid next year but if its not top five, people will still be calling for Haslett to be fired.

 

[skinz2winz]

Come on man, havent you gotten the general consensus vibe around here. It was all Mike Shanahans fault as far as why RG3 had issues, and why the offense failed and for everything else including global warming....except for the defense. Thats all Haslett and he should have been fired. Our defense could be solid next year but if its not top five, people will still be calling for Haslett to be fired.

The defense stunk last year Shark and it was based solely on personnel decisions (Shanahan) and defensive scheme (Haslett). Having such an abysmal product and poor production helped lead to an awful 3-13 season and why Haslett has a job is beyond me. He should have been fired with the rest of the trash taken out to the curb. Having said that, he is here for now and let's hope the defense improves. It will not however without an influx of better talent, hungry personnel and a scheme that pressures the QB consistently. While you point out that the offense had issues which it did, starting with the Shanahan's, Griffin and a very poor offensive line and 1 quality WR, everyone had stake in the mess. Everyone should take responsibility and accept blame however, this is a business and ultimately 1 person is responsible when the ax falls.

 

[Sportster 72]

The ax fell on Dan Snyder? He is the only one that has been there the past 15 years.

 

[skinsdad62]

Come on man, havent you gotten the general consensus vibe around here. It was all Mike Shanahans fault as far as why RG3 had issues, and why the offense failed and for everything else including global warming....except for the defense. Thats all Haslett and he should have been fired. Our defense could be solid next year but if its not top five, people will still be calling for Haslett to be fired.

i would buy this shark if it wasnt for the fact that his career has been garbage as well

i do believe shanny meddled in the defense . but i am not giving a pass to haslett just yet because his career is a case study in putrid

i have listed the stats before

 

[skinz2winz]

The ax fell on Dan Snyder? He is the only one that has been there the past 15 years.

In case you missed it, the ax fell directly on Shanahan who by all accounts made ALL personnel decisions according to him and acted like a control freak on his way out by week 15 of this past season. Snyder removed himself by accounts and Shanahan dug his own grave here.

And yes, I got the sarcasm...

 

[Sportster 72]

In case you missed it, the ax fell directly on Shanahan who by all accounts made ALL personnel decisions according to him and acted like a control freak on his way out by week 15 of this past season. Snyder removed himself by accounts and Shanahan dug his own grave here.

And yes, I got the sarcasm...

I didn't miss it, Shanahan is the blamee du jours. Every two to four years we have a new person to blame. I am not defending Shanahan, but I am putting blame where it belongs. Did you really expect Snyder and his band of merry men to say "we kind of screwed up" instead of everyone putting the blame on the guy who is no longer here. Most likely in 2 to 4 years the same will be done to Gruden and Allen.
One thing is for certain, they retained almost everyone other than the Shanahan's so if things do not improve then they were the not sole problem by ALL accounts. Hopefully my intuition is wrong.

 

[skinz2winz]

I didn't miss it, Shanahan is the blamee du jours. Every two to four years we have a new person to blame. I am not defending Shanahan, but I am putting blame where it belongs. Did you really expect Snyder and his band of merry men to say "we kind of screwed up" instead of everyone putting the blame on the guy who is no longer here. Most likely in 2 to 4 years the same will be done to Gruden and Allen.
One thing is for certain, they retained almost everyone other than the Shanahan's so if things do not improve then they were the not sole problem by ALL accounts. Hopefully my intuition is wrong.

This is where you are wrong my friend. Allen made it very clear in his announcing of Gruden. Allen said, "in the end, I will make all personnel decisions". Obviously a quote he meant for everyone to hear after the Shanahan firing. I also think Allen had Gruden keep coaches he may or may not have wanted to keep. It was "News" to Gruden that McVay was the next OC as his initial interview showed. The next axe that falls should be directly on Allen who has now assumed full responsibility from Shanahan.

 

[Lonewate44]

This is where you are wrong my friend. Allen made it very clear in his announcing of Gruden. Allen said, "in the end, I will make all personnel decisions". Obviously a quote he meant for everyone to hear after the Shanahan firing. I also think Allen had Gruden keep coaches he may or may not have wanted to keep. It was "News" to Gruden that McVay was the next OC as his initial interview showed. The next axe that falls should be directly on Allen who has now assumed full responsibility from Shanahan.

Why does the next axe have to fall??? I am hoping that there wont be a next axe for a LONG TIME!!!!

 

[j_y19]

This is where you are wrong my friend. Allen made it very clear in his announcing of Gruden. Allen said, "in the end, I will make all personnel decisions". Obviously a quote he meant for everyone to hear after the Shanahan firing. I also think Allen had Gruden keep coaches he may or may not have wanted to keep. It was "News" to Gruden that McVay was the next OC as his initial interview showed. The next axe that falls should be directly on Allen who has now assumed full responsibility from Shanahan.

Really? Sportster is wrong? So Who hired Shanahan? Who hired Allen? Who hired Zorn? Who hired Vinnie?
See a pattern here? The bad coaching decisions and the bad personnel decisions are just a symptom of the real problem. Until the fundamental real issue is addressed, treating the symptoms is just like moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. The bottom line is that there is a culture of dysfunction with the Redskins. It has been with them for the last 15 years and there has been only once constant during those 15 years. For all you Snyder apologists that want to point to how he has changed, has he really? Or has he just learned to be more subtle is his actions? Because he still gets the same results every 2-4 years. He hires and new leader and in a few years we have a spectacular implosion. Why would and reasonable person believe that the hiring of Allen and then Gruden will be any different???

 

[PDay8810]

"Why would and reasonable person believe that the hiring of Allen and then Gruden will be any different??? "




Speaking from experience....Low of Averages becomes the rally cry then seasons later with the thought of..... IF we ever win a championship it will be in spite of all that is ----- -----




It's a hard act to follow and Dan is giving his best shot

 

[smackdaddy]

Really? Sportster is wrong? So Who hired Shanahan? Who hired Allen? Who hired Zorn? Who hired Vinnie?
See a pattern here? The bad coaching decisions and the bad personnel decisions are just a symptom of the real problem. Until the fundamental real issue is addressed, treating the symptoms is just like moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. The bottom line is that there is a culture of dysfunction with the Redskins. It has been with them for the last 15 years and there has been only once constant during those 15 years. For all you Snyder apologists that want to point to how he has changed, has he really? Or has he just learned to be more subtle is his actions? Because he still gets the same results every 2-4 years. He hires and new leader and in a few years we have a spectacular implosion. Why would and reasonable person believe that the hiring of Allen and then Gruden will be any different???

Well snyder aint stepping down so the constant will have to always be. Have to learn to win despite a meddlesome owner. Cowpokes owner has his hand in everything and they're able to stay average, at best. IMO Danny is not the problem anymore. His 1st ten years yes, but since then it has been a constant battle of getting above the red, the FA slap in the face and the constant desire to give away 1st round picks. RG3 may be Dannys love interest but he was Shanahans pick. Love the guy but after seeing Foles, Wilson emerge the pick wasnt a wise one. Hindsite baby. Yes, time will only tell on RG3 but the good news for Gruden is he takes over a team though depleted in some areas he doesnt have cap hell or outragoeus contracts to deal with. Snyder has become a better owner...just far from the best.

 

[j_y19]

Well snyder aint stepping down so the constant will have to always be. Have to learn to win despite a meddlesome owner. Cowpokes owner has his hand in everything and they're able to stay average, at best. IMO Danny is not the problem anymore. His 1st ten years yes, but since then it has been a constant battle of getting above the red, the FA slap in the face and the constant desire to give away 1st round picks. RG3 may be Dannys love interest but he was Shanahans pick. Love the guy but after seeing Foles, Wilson emerge the pick wasnt a wise one. Hindsite baby. Yes, time will only tell on RG3 but the good news for Gruden is he takes over a team though depleted in some areas he doesnt have cap hell or outragoeus contracts to deal with. Snyder has become a better owner...just far from the best.

How can Snyder not be the problem if he hired Shanahan? Who approved the actions that led to the cap penalty? Who hired Vinnie and approved all of the moves that have resulted in our current situation? My point being in that he may not be pulling the day to day strings anymore, but he is hiring the ones that are that keep failing.

I agree he is not going anywhere. And who knows, maybe he has finally got it right this time, but it would only be a fool that would bet that he has. A cat can't change his stripes, especially not that cat. If the team of Allen and Gruden can pull it off and turn this franchise around, I'll be the first one that gives danny kudos. But I'm not counting on it.

 

[smackdaddy]

True, hes doing the hiring but maybe these hirings are failing him. We cant blame Snyder for hiring Shanahan who was a proven winner in Denver. (IF YOU DONT GIVE HIM CREDIT THERE THEN DONT GIVE CREDIT TO ANY COACH). I agree that Snyder is a problem im just saying we have bigger problems then an owner and the coaches. Players at some point have to believe in themselves.

 

[Sportster 72]

It's a bitter pill to swallow but a pill no less. A few years back we were all encouraged at the idea "Joe Gibbs" is back. That's certainly Dan's best 4 year run but it was below par for Joe Gibbs.

Four years ago people were ready to mutiny, Snyder's name was mud. He needed to do something so he hired Shanahan. I drank the Koolaid. "Oh now we have a real football guy and Dan won't meddle." Here we are 4 years later with another failed 4 years. Some say the definition of insanity is repeating the same crazy moves over and over.

What are our choices? I have been a Redskin fan since 1963. It's not like I am going to switch teams now. So somewhere deep hope springs eternal that they will find their Vince Lombardi, George Allen or Joe Gibbs. But really we might need to hope that someone needs to turn into Edward Bennett Williams or Jack Kent Cooke.

 

[j_y19]

True, hes doing the hiring but maybe these hirings are failing him. We cant blame Snyder for hiring Shanahan who was a proven winner in Denver. (IF YOU DONT GIVE HIM CREDIT THERE THEN DONT GIVE CREDIT TO ANY COACH). I agree that Snyder is a problem im just saying we have bigger problems then an owner and the coaches. Players at some point have to believe in themselves.

So if Shanahan was a proven winner, why didn't he win here? What caused his failure?

 

[Sharkinva]

So if Shanahan was a proven winner, why didn't he win here? What caused his failure?

Shanahan, Shottenhiemer, Gibbs and Spurrier were All successful coaches in their own right before they got to Washington. There is only one common denominator in this complex equation. Any one care to hazard a guess at the answer??

 

[Sportster 72]

Shanahan, Shottenhiemer, Gibbs and Spurrier were All successful coaches in their own right before they got to Washington. There is only one common denominator in this complex equation. Any one care to hazard a guess at the answer??

Shark you made a good point that I never thought a lot about. Most assume Spurrier was a college coach in over his head in the NFL. I know that is the popular belief. Look at his South Carolina teams, they are very different in style from his Florida teams. I think there may be some truth in what people think about him but how much was caos from Dan and his Merry Men?

Dan admits he made a mistake with Marty. Dan wanted to have his fun too but Marty made him sit in his office and watch. When Dan told him that wasn't workable after season one Marty said he had better leave. I often think Marty would have turned the team around if Dan had let him handle football operations.

 

[skinsdad62]

guys we are stuck with snyder for a good 40 years more so whining about that gets you no where

i think he has gotten better over the years but still needs to stay out of player evals

shanny failed because he inherited a hugs mess. he lied , and he made poor choices

i think as a HC and defacto GM he was in over his head

 

[j_y19]

guys we are stuck with snyder for a good 40 years more so whining about that gets you no where

i think he has gotten better over the years but still needs to stay out of player evals

shanny failed because he inherited a hugs mess. he lied , and he made poor choices

i think as a HC and defacto GM he was in over his head

Just out of curiosity, how to you measure that Dan has gotten better?

I would agree that it appears he has changed, but there is still major disfunction with this franchise, as there has been since he took over. He is the only constant during his ownership.