Rams reaping rewards from Griffin trade

[JDM]

Too early to tell. RG3 reminds me of Newton and VIck. They all had 1 real good season in college and people buy into all the hype. Lets see how him and Cam pan out. Manziel if he plays QB in NFL will be banged up like Vick and RG3. Cam is just much bigger and can take the hits

RG3 has much more of an arm than any of them. Cam is a bad passer, so was Vick.

 

[CaptainStubing]

And the rams still don't have a qb

 

[Retroram52]

I agree Captain!!

 

[cdumler7]

But that's the thing... You just don't know how he 'll pan out so 4 high picks is always better than 1 ... That's why it's scary throwing all your chips at one pick.

Well in today's NFL when Franchise Quarterback is a huge chunk of the equation of what it takes to win a Super Bowl teams are willing to gamble on that chance. So let's say RGIII doesn't pan out the team in the next year or two just starts over again. What they were doing before wasn't working. I mean you look before RGIII got here they had finished last in their division 6 of the last 8 years. So if RGIII doesn't pan out then they are just back where they started. Yes those other picks could have been star players but there are plenty of teams that get a huge haul of draft picks and do nothing with it. Look at Cleveland with the Julio Jones trade where that was expected to help them finally compete for the division yet many of those picks busted and they are right back where they were before the trade. So no matter what you are taking a chance. when a player though has the term game-changer associated with their name then they become worth taking the gamble when your team has been a bottom feeder for so long.

 

[SonnyCID]

Well in today's NFL when Franchise Quarterback is a huge chunk of the equation of what it takes to win a Super Bowl teams are willing to gamble on that chance. So let's say RGIII doesn't pan out the team in the next year or two just starts over again. What they were doing before wasn't working. I mean you look before RGIII got here they had finished last in their division 6 of the last 8 years. So if RGIII doesn't pan out then they are just back where they started. Yes those other picks could have been star players but there are plenty of teams that get a huge haul of draft picks and do nothing with it. Look at Cleveland with the Julio Jones trade where that was expected to help them finally compete for the division yet many of those picks busted and they are right back where they were before the trade. So no matter what you are taking a chance. when a player though has the term game-changer associated with their name then they become worth taking the gamble when your team has been a bottom feeder for so long.

I dont think anyone faults them for trying to find a franchise QB, its the way they went about It that i dont think was smart.

Getting that guy before you have the pieces around to take pressure off him is risky enough, giving up the draft capital needed to remedy that while you're in deep cap trouble is just reckless and stupid.

 

[JDM]

When you have the pieces around him you have much less to work with to get up to that spot...

 

[Lonewate44]

I dont think anyone faults them for trying to find a franchise QB, its the way they went about It that i dont think was smart.

Getting that guy before you have the pieces around to take pressure off him is risky enough, giving up the draft capital needed to remedy that while you're in deep cap trouble is just reckless and stupid.

I wouldnt say he didnt have the pieces around him.....he won the division with the team around him...Had a 14 point lead over your seahawks, and was well on his way to winning that game before he got hurt.....Spent the entire offseason rehabbing instead of working on his craft....and as I said earlier....

part 2 of losing 18 mil in cap space made a huge difference on the Skins team....had they had that extra 36 million in cap over those 2 years....you dont think they would ahve had better talent around him?

 

[cdumler7]

I dont think anyone faults them for trying to find a franchise QB, its the way they went about It that i dont think was smart.

Getting that guy before you have the pieces around to take pressure off him is risky enough, giving up the draft capital needed to remedy that while you're in deep cap trouble is just reckless and stupid.

They didn't know about the Cap Penalties until after the draft if I remember right though. Plus them trading that much they had to considering they got into a bidding war with a couple of other teams wanting RGIII. They now have possibly around $40 million in cap space after cutting a couple of players so they should have the funds to surround him with some talent.

We shall see how this all plays out. My guess is RGIII bounces back this year and all the SportsHoopla about him goes crazy once again. The guy is just a huge playmaker that leaves you saying wow with both his arm and legs when he is healthy. Throw in he has a pretty well known quarterbacks coach (Shannahan was not known as that and actually many of his past quarterbacks are not a fan of him) to help take advantage of his strengths.

 

[Naughtymax]

The topic is Rams Reaping Rewards. So far, in exchange for the #2 pick that was RGIII the Rams have received (plus projected 2014 pick):
Michael Brockers
Jadeveon Clowney
Isiah Pead
Zac Stacy
Alec Ogletree
Janoris Jenkins
Stedman Bailey


So, one very good DT, a starting CB, a starting RB and a backup, a starting LB, a WR3, and (projected), a Julius Peppers-type DE.


That's what they call a steal. Clowney, if not taken first, looks he'll have a more valuable career than damaged-goods RGIII (not the same player now that he's not mobile) by himself, never mind the good, cheap depth that has turned the Rams from bums to average but young and talented in 2 years. I hope they stick around St. Louis, they'll be fun to watch in 2 years..

 

[JDM]

There's on potential difference maker on that list and he has as many questions as you could even argue griffin does.

 

[cdumler7]

The topic is Rams Reaping Rewards. So far, in exchange for the #2 pick that was RGIII the Rams have received (plus projected 2014 pick):
Michael Brockers
Jadeveon Clowney
Isiah Pead
Zac Stacy
Alec Ogletree
Janoris Jenkins
Stedman Bailey


So, one very good DT, a starting CB, a starting RB and a backup, a starting LB, a WR3, and (projected), a Julius Peppers-type DE.


That's what they call a steal. Clowney, if not taken first, looks he'll have a more valuable career than damaged-goods RGIII (not the same player now that he's not mobile) by himself, never mind the good, cheap depth that has turned the Rams from bums to average but young and talented in 2 years. I hope they stick around St. Louis, they'll be fun to watch in 2 years..

The question becomes though say Bradford continues to struggle or gets hurt again. They had a chance at a Franchise quarterback in RGIII say he does stay healthy and returns to his rookie form (most quarterbacks do have the Sophomore slump). Also there is no telling that Clowney will be there at #1 as there are teams rumored to be looking to trade up with Houston or that Houston could take Clowney themselves.

I just think right now it is way too early to tell how this trade works out for both teams. It could be one that works out for both.

 

[Clayton]

And the rams still don't have a qb

Bridgewater is almost as good as a QB prospect as RG3 imo and seems less likely to throw his career away with silly scrambles. If the Rams dont draft him, thats on Jeff Fisher

 

[Clayton]

There's on potential difference maker on that list and he has as many questions as you could even argue griffin does.

Brockers and Ogletree are difference makers.

 

[Lonewate44]

The topic is Rams Reaping Rewards. So far, in exchange for the #2 pick that was RGIII the Rams have received (plus projected 2014 pick):
Michael Brockers
Jadeveon Clowney
Isiah Pead
Zac Stacy
Alec Ogletree
Janoris Jenkins
Stedman Bailey


So, one very good DT, a starting CB, a starting RB and a backup, a starting LB, a WR3, and (projected), a Julius Peppers-type DE.


That's what they call a steal. Clowney, if not taken first, looks he'll have a more valuable career than damaged-goods RGIII (not the same player now that he's not mobile) by himself, never mind the good, cheap depth that has turned the Rams from bums to average but young and talented in 2 years. I hope they stick around St. Louis, they'll be fun to watch in 2 years..

7 players out of 3 #1 picks and a 2nd rounder??? 7 players out of 4 picks......what? they make other trades or something....

 

[Skin'EmAll]

2nd overall from the Skins…. MAN the Rams are smiling … So #2 and #13 as it sits … You never know for sure in the draft how a player will pan out but it sure helps getting multiple top picks ….Rams got the best of the Redskins in this deal and it's a landslide…

This thread doesn't make any sense? We all know the Rams got a bunch of picks, what is your point?
We are just one year removed from hosting a playoff game, while the rams(no offense) are going to be stuck at the bottom of a tough division for a few years. How are they clear cut winners in the deal?

Also your theories don't make sense. You say the 2013 NFL pro-bowl ROY QB is a bust after just two years?
C'mon man, I could clown Russell Wilson for not winning the Superbowl MVP but that would be pure hating.
Which is how this thread is coming across

 

[Clayton]

We are just one year removed from hosting a playoff game, while the rams(no offense) are going to be stuck at the bottom of a tough division for a few years. How are they clear cut winners in the deal?

Not sure what any of this has to do with the Rams end of the trade.

I'm under the assumption that the Redskins are a winner in this trade if RG3 stays healthy. The Rams are a huge winner if Bradford stays healthy and they get someone like Clowney or they pick a QB better than Bradford.

 

[STBR 27]

This thread doesn't make any sense? We all know the Rams got a bunch of picks, what is your point?
We are just one year removed from hosting a playoff game, while the rams(no offense) are going to be stuck at the bottom of a tough division for a few years. How are they clear cut winners in the deal?

Also your theories don't make sense. You say the 2013 NFL pro-bowl ROY QB is a bust after just two years?
C'mon man, I could clown Russell Wilson for not winning the Superbowl MVP but that would be pure hating.
Which is how this thread is coming across

WAS may be one year removed from hosting a playoff game, but they are also two months removed from a 3-13 season (in one of the worst divisions in football) that saw their "franchise" QB get benched for the last 3 games of the season. The Rams had to suffer through using a backup QB for most of the season, in a very good division and still did better than WAS. When they get to add two more top 15 picks, it will be pretty obvious to see that they indeed are getting the better end of the deal.

 

[Lonewate44]

WAS may be one year removed from hosting a playoff game, but they are also two months removed from a 3-13 season (in one of the worst divisions in football) that saw their "franchise" QB get benched for the last 3 games of the season. The Rams had to suffer through using a backup QB for most of the season, in a very good division and still did better than WAS. When they get to add two more top 15 picks, it will be pretty obvious to see that they indeed are getting the better end of the deal.

yes 2 more top 15 picks.......but 1 of those are their own...its not like we are giving them both of those picks this year...you make it look like Washington is doing that when they arent

As for the benching...I was glad they did....no sense in risking RGIII getting hurt in those meaningless games anyway.

 

[cdumler7]

WAS may be one year removed from hosting a playoff game, but they are also two months removed from a 3-13 season (in one of the worst divisions in football) that saw their "franchise" QB get benched for the last 3 games of the season. The Rams had to suffer through using a backup QB for most of the season, in a very good division and still did better than WAS. When they get to add two more top 15 picks, it will be pretty obvious to see that they indeed are getting the better end of the deal.

The benching definitely looked like it was more of a realizing this season was done for and seeing a young quarterback struggling plus still having issues with his knee. Players usually take a full year to get used to being on a reconstructed knee and actually trusting it to do what they want. I think most knew heading into this last season with the injury that it would be very hard for RGIII to match what he did his first year. Throw in the team having so many restrictions with the Cap Penalty. All of that is behind so my guess is we see a lot more of the old RGIII than what we saw last year. Just watch analyst break down his past season and you can see his knee was never quite where it should have been or at least he was struggling to trust putting any kind of weight on it. A full off season of continuing to rehab and grow in that trust and he will be just fine.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

WAS may be one year removed from hosting a playoff game, but they are also two months removed from a 3-13 season (in one of the worst divisions in football) that saw their "franchise" QB get benched for the last 3 games of the season. The Rams had to suffer through using a backup QB for most of the season, in a very good division and still did better than WAS. When they get to add two more top 15 picks, it will be pretty obvious to see that they indeed are getting the better end of the deal.

Yeah, no one is arguing they got a great deal. I'm just saying there isn't any proof of a huge one sided advantage that a few, including yourself are saying. We just went 10-6 and have a franchise QB. The rams are in total disarray, in one of the toughest divisions. The Rams did indeed finish better than us BUT still were under .500. Thats not good.
And who knows if Sam Bradford will still be there in a couple years. He can't stay healthy or go 10-6 and host playoff games.

IF RGIII regains his health and confidence AND if Sam Bradford can gel with his new offensive weapons then it will simply be a deal. (not ideal, but a deal)