Peter King on Griffin

[Sharkinva]

Sty... believe it or not, I do give alot of credit to the fact that our line wasnt the best at pass blocking. I know that played into some of Griffins running. But I also factor in that to a point it is how he plays. Its something he is used to doing and comfortable with. As far as WR talent, franchise QBs have the ability to work with what you give them to a degree. So I think the truth falls some where in between when all is said and done.

 

[Stymietee]

Sty... believe it or not, I do give alot of credit to the fact that our line wasnt the best at pass blocking. I know that played into some of Griffins running. But I also factor in that to a point it is how he plays. Its something he is used to doing and comfortable with. As far as WR talent, franchise QBs have the ability to work with what you give them to a degree. So I think the truth falls some where in between when all is said and done.

I agree

 

[skinsdad62]

I got to tell ya, dad, I have never understood this line you use, "we or me"......what are you referring to?

well thats part of your problem


Rg3 said we need to get better on offense and his critics said he should have said I need to get better

RG3 has always said we, as a team , , need to get better

people said that he was throwing his teammates were being thrown under a bus and i say when does "we" not include "me ' as well ? we freaking includes me . if you didnt want to be included then you say "they " need to get better or my teammates , not me need to get better he never said that and we have a bunch of freaking illiterates in the press with agenda's that cant figure that out

we includes me . it cant be anything else

 

[Sharkinva]

well thats part of your problem


Rg3 said we need to get better on offense and his critics said he should have said I need to get better

RG3 has always said we, as a team , , need to get better

people said that he was throwing his teammates were being thrown under a bus and i say when does "we" not include "me ' as well ? we freaking includes me . if you didnt want to be included then you say "they " need to get better or my teammates , not me need to get better he never said that and we have a bunch of freaking illiterates in the press with agenda's that cant figure that out

we includes me . it cant be anything else

Counter point... .there was no WE involved when he said my WRs just couldnt get open. There also was no WE involved when he said it as like the defense knew what we were doing. Oh right i forget he was complimenting the defense, not complaining about his OC. And for the record we can also be just as deflecting. By saying we need to get better it also glosses over games where "I" missed wide open WRs and such. So while we can be inclusive, it can be just as deflecting as well.

 

[j_y19]

well thats part of your problem


Rg3 said we need to get better on offense and his critics said he should have said I need to get better

RG3 has always said we, as a team , , need to get better

people said that he was throwing his teammates were being thrown under a bus and i say when does "we" not include "me ' as well ? we freaking includes me . if you didnt want to be included then you say "they " need to get better or my teammates , not me need to get better he never said that and we have a bunch of freaking illiterates in the press with agenda's that cant figure that out

we includes me . it cant be anything else

Ah, now I see. That's part of your problem. I never took that statement as negative. No, dad, you are mistaken if you think it was that I was concerned about. I was only concerned with those where he blamed his int at the end of the Philly game on the fact that his receivers couldn't get open, even though helu was wide open in the flat. Remember that?

 

[Sharkinva]

Ah, now I see. That's part of your problem. I never took that statement as negative. No, dad, you are mistaken if you think it was that I was concerned about. I was only concerned with those where he blamed his int at the end of the Philly game on the fact that his receivers couldn't get open, even though helu was wide open in the flat. Remember that?

Never happened j_y. Never happened.

 

[j_y19]

Never happened j_y. Never happened.

Well, you know I wasn't really sure until both moss and garçon basically blasted him the next day. Guess they didn't hear the "we" part.

 

[skinsdad62]

Counter point... .there was no WE involved when he said my WRs just couldnt get open. There also was no WE involved when he said it as like the defense knew what we were doing. Oh right i forget he was complimenting the defense, not complaining about his OC. And for the record we can also be just as deflecting. By saying we need to get better it also glosses over games where "I" missed wide open WRs and such. So while we can be inclusive, it can be just as deflecting as well.

he complimented the eagles defense and many qbs have said those exact words and have not been accused of throwing people under the bus

i am sorry i dont see any malicious intent in him . his wrs like him his teammates like like as demonstrated by DEEDS , and by vocal support

 

[skinsdad62]

Well, you know I wasn't really sure until both moss and garçon basically blasted him the next day. Guess they didn't hear the "we" part.

moss has retreated on that in 2 different interviews as well as for garcon the only thing i heard was he said our pass offense "sucks "

the players have spoken thru deeds and actions . i dont think there is any issue

 

[j_y19]

moss has retreated on that in 2 different interviews as well as for garcon the only thing i heard was he said our pass offense "sucks "

the players have spoken thru deeds and actions . i dont think there is any issue

Of course Moss retreated the next day, it was the smart thing to do and I'm sure he was "encouraged". But I heard the interview and there was no doubt about his feelings. I'm pretty sure it was on Lavar and Dukes. Its probably on their audio vault. You might want to listen to it. There was no ambiguity to it.

 

[Sharkinva]

he complimented the eagles defense and many qbs have said those exact words and have not been accused of throwing people under the bus

i am sorry i dont see any malicious intent in him . his wrs like him his teammates like like as demonstrated by DEEDS , and by vocal support

Like I said dude, you want to believe with all your heart. Therefore even when he does something negative you give him the benefit of the doubt and spin it into a positive. In your eyes he is the victim here that everyone is piling on.

 

[skinsdad62]

facts are if the team felt Rg3 threw them under the bus then he wouldnt be elected capt twice nor would they vote him for the courage award

i reject the grassy knoll encouragement BS as well i think moss and rg3 talked and worked it out

which leads me to the dan lebatard show when moss said the team was in AWE of RG3's leadership abilities

I HEARD THAT ! as well as the others

moss also said Rg3 could say things better which i would agree but the fact remains they support him

 

[j_y19]

I agree that they seemed to work it out, primarily because moss is mature and a professional and he knows an open feud would serve no one. But that doesn't mean that Robert didn't dis them. I actually believe that Robert probably didn't mean for it to come out the way it did. The problem is that it wasn't his first time, as much as you disagree with this. It's the pattern that is concerning to all of us. Robert has never had to deal with scrutiny like this, he has always been the media and fan darling. He hit a rough patch this year and he didn't handle it as well as he could have. The real question is has he learned? For if he, like you, think he's innocent in all this, then we may have a bigger issue. For to first make positive changes, you have to admit that you have a weakness. If he can't do it with this, there is a real possibility that he will also not admit that he has to work on his fundamentals. Its all related. If this is just a sign of a maturity issue and he learns and grows from it, he can be fine. However, if this is a personality flaw where he can't admit he was wrong, this could lead to bigger problems.

 

[skinsdad62]

I agree that they seemed to work it out, primarily because moss is mature and a professional and he knows an open feud would serve no one. But that doesn't mean that Robert didn't dis them. I actually believe that Robert probably didn't mean for it to come out the way it did. The problem is that it wasn't his first time, as much as you disagree with this. It's the pattern that is concerning to all of us. Robert has never had to deal with scrutiny like this, he has always been the media and fan darling. He hit a rough patch this year and he didn't handle it as well as he could have. The real question is has he learned? For if he, like you, think he's innocent in all this, then we may have a bigger issue. For to first make positive changes, you have to admit that you have a weakness. If he can't do it with this, there is a real possibility that he will also not admit that he has to work on his fundamentals. Its all related. If this is just a sign of a maturity issue and he learns and grows from it, he can be fine. However, if this is a personality flaw where he can't admit he was wrong, this could lead to bigger problems.

i dont think he is innocent in all of this . i believe he is 24 . i believe the skins PR dept suppressed him way to much and didnt let him clarify things when needed

no where in his character do i get that he wont work on his weaknesses . i think that is gloom and doom BS

i think the guy hit a rough stretch and is looking for some redemption much like cam did

how isnt the guy going to learn ? his character was assassinated over and over again by the media , much if not all was false and some fans buy into that shit

i dont parcel out words and cherry pick what i want to hear , i look at the totality of the press conferences , the actions of his teammates , and of those around him , find out the truth and go from there

i dont hold on to some negative statement from 1885 and make that the overriding factor to the totality of the statements

i just watched mike huckabee get that treatment and the person who started that admitted she was wrong however the damage was done

what his teammates did , all of them , says it all , they like the guy . they dont see character issues , so why should i ?

most people last season said there was no way he would be back opening day . i was one of the few that thought he would and i had to defend and debate that the hole off season . i was right then and i believe i am right now

RG3 wont fail because he doesnt work hard or is a diva or because he will throw teammates under buses or he wont do the film work or work on mechanics . the only way i see him failing is if injuries eat him up

it wont be because of character flaws

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins draft rewind: QB Robert Griffin III | Comcast SportsNet Washington

i think this will happen . gruden will use him as he was meant to be

 

[66Victoria96]

when Rg3 had protection , he went thru progressions

i am sorry but i dont agree with you guys . you guys were sucked in by a negative press. i mean come on how many times does one have to go over we and me ? how many times ?

the problem is you want to see negatives because he didnt meet your expectations

you people werent bashing Rg3 in the off season you werent bashing him in his rookie ? in fact most of what was talked about is could he be ready week one ? or should they sit him thru the bye ?

Rg3 tried to come back and give us our best offensive player KC proved he isnt up to the task just yet

but what you guys did is bought into the hype when certain cowboy trolls tried to tell you what could happen you guy are mad because they were right and we were wrong

then you let doubt creep in what if he never gets it back , what if he is always injured ? look the dummy cant read defenses or follow progressions KC is the savior . tannehill is better , look at all the players we could have had

all because you cant figure out we and me because you read silly blogs by anti skins you can say i am basing it on what the" videos"say but the debates we have had dont say it they say you believe every bit of this drama you believe all the back door owner shit the film room shit the leadership shit and the Rg2 interference shit because i have to constantly debunk it .

everything i have said has been dismissed about his teammates electing him capt voting him for the courage award , saying they are in awe of his leadership attributes , . you think snyder is playing the puppet master in the background because you go back to some video and cant interpret what we and me include

nope its all too easy to follow the media like a herd of sheep because you have a preconceived notion that the trade could should and will fail .

he is 24 , he has 2 seasons under his belt . we dont have a championship caliber team

you all think snyder is a behind the scenes puppet master and if you buy the that i cant help you dont think snyder the fan can see our defense sucks ? our wrs suck ? our o/line sucks ? yet we retained the crappy coaches ?

sorry i dont buy the grassy knoll crap

I couldn't had said it better. Lack of talent at the key offensive positions in WR & Offensive line doomed Griffin and the offense.