Peter King on Griffin

[j_y19]

careful GK... thems words bordering mighty close to the dark side.

In risking of sounding too much of a homer, I'm not sure that Robert ever said he only wanted to be a pocket passer. I know it was reported as such and I know his dad said it, but there were a bunch of reports and rumors flying around, some of which were fabricated. I suggest we wait and see how Robert responds from his mouth, not from some blogger's speculation. If I'm wrong, please point me to his statement.

 

[gkekoa]

We go by what we hear and what's reported Jay. We don't have personal relationships with these guys. Based off of what we have heard, I have lost a ton of respect for RG3.

 

[j_y19]

We go by what we hear and what's reported Jay. We don't have personal relationships with these guys. Based off of what we have heard, I have lost a ton of respect for RG3.

If you only go by what you hear from others, you run the risk of being mislead quite often. I've adopted the strategy that I will only go by what I hear from the person involved directly, unless its a reporter that I have very strong confidence in and who does just repeat the latest rumor. Keim comes to mind.

Having said that, I too am disappointed in how he handled himself this year. While I'm not certain that he didn't say he just wanted to be a pocket QB, I know he did say other things (because I heard them) that, IMO, threw his coaches and teammates under the bus when his play was not stellar. He also showed a serious case of Me this year that we didn't see earlier, starting with his hour long ad campaign on ESPN. I'm hoping that we can mark this up to immaturity and he recognizes the errors of his ways and his direct involvement in the debacle of this year. I still believe he is smart and very talented and has potential to be one of the best. I'm just not as sure that it will happen as I was a year ago.

 

[gkekoa]

People can be mislead obviously. With that being said, it's easy to set the record straight, which he never did. The comments we are talking about also line up with the character he displayed this season.

 

[skinsdad62]

We go by what we hear and what's reported Jay. We don't have personal relationships with these guys. Based off of what we have heard, I have lost a ton of respect for RG3.

where to begin ? please GK show me where RG3 DEMANDED to be a pocket passer?

saying you want to be a pocket passer in the social media and DEMANDING it are 2 quite different things . now if you have a reliable source that said that i am all eyes and ears

as for what people heard on film i dont know . i heard and saw them too and i dont draw that negative conclusion at all

if you dont get the english language enough to determine we includes me then i cant help you (sorry i dont buy the CSI BS ) i dont buy the supposed media savvy crap either because it doesnt make sense . if he had that alleged "media savvy " he wouldnt be crucified now

apparently his teammates are fools as well . they elected him a capt. twice and voted him for the courage award. not the actions of a team that was "thrown under a bus "

sanatana moss said today on the dan lebatard show that his teammates are "in awe " of Rg3 's leadership

so i think most of this is media driven BS at this point . he didnt have the relationship, as reported with snyder , RG2 wasnt in snyders office lobbying for briles , there was never any "dont show any of his bad plays in the film room " BS

the only thing he did wrong was not silencing his critics when they came out with those character assassinations but then again the skins PR dept put a stop to that and limited his time with the press.

moss did say however that Rg3 could have said things better .

my thing at this point is fans are mad at him because he couldnt walk on water . they asked him to come back at record time , and then tear it up without a real offseason and when we started losing then they piled on . the qb is always the scapegoat . hell we still have fools that think KC is a better qb

i dont think there is any real major character flaws in Rg3 he is 24 . he needs to learn things . i fully believe he will come back next year and put all of this silliness to bed once and for all

now he could come in this year and he could be the arrogant diva you guys portray him to be . if he is then i will certainly eat the crow .

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If you can't see these statements as an issue, then you aren't thinking logically.

RG3 demanded he wanted to be a pocket passer. RG3 had the ability to keep Shanahan.

If RG3 continues to demand to be a pocket passer, then will he get Gruden fired too?

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I could perhaps see some of your other points (although they are based on rumors & heresay). However - don't quite understand your pt about RG3 having the ability to keep Shanahan. First of all - most of you appear to state that the QB should not be one of the main people deciding on the coach. If so - how is it any better if the QB demands that the current coach stay?

Secondly - more importantly - why should Shanahan have been retained? He was awful this season (along with the rest of the team). What other team is questioned for firing a 3-13 coach with an overall record of 24-40? Granted - they had a good season prior to this (& he did some nice things overall) but not enough for critics to blast the move.

I see no evidence that RG3 was consulted on the coaching change & even if so firing Shanahan does not appear to be a bad move & I would guess most fans & the general public feel the same way. I would make no comments regarding Gruden since it would be 100% conjecture - time will tell.

 

[j_y19]

OK, because I'm bored, I'm going to stir the pot a bit. This question is primarily for Dad, but others feel free to comment.

Two days ago, Gruden, in an interview with Peter King, made the following statement as part of a larger discussion on the use of RG3: "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish. The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that." Then yesterday, in an interview with Chick Hernandez, he changed his tune a bit,, when he made this statement: "My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer."

So my question to Dad, and any others, is how do you reconcile these differing statements from Gruden on how to use RG3 in the span of 2 days? What do you think prompted in sudden turn around?

 

[Sharkinva]

Not going to get too deep into this. But I will say two things.

Skinsdad.. thing is you want to believe in RG3, and thus you wont even allow yourself to consider any possible negative spin on him. You take everything he has said and or done and spin it to a positive because you want to believe. I almost liken it to some one defending a religion to a scientist.

j_y.... My best guess for the 180 on the Gruden statement would be he got some input from some where stating that the goal is to make RG3 into a pocket passer first and foremost. Now as to where that came from, all we can do is guess.

 

[Sportster 72]

I think a lot of us have a lot of questions about what is going on in Ashburn. We can take all the guesses we want but in reality all we can do is wait a couple of years to see how things shake out. Having watched what has gone on for the past 15 years I am skeptical but I keep hoping they will show me I was wrong.

 

[j_y19]

Not going to get too deep into this. But I will say two things.

Skinsdad.. thing is you want to believe in RG3, and thus you wont even allow yourself to consider any possible negative spin on him. You take everything he has said and or done and spin it to a positive because you want to believe. I almost liken it to some one defending a religion to a scientist.

j_y.... My best guess for the 180 on the Gruden statement would be he got some input from some where stating that the goal is to make RG3 into a pocket passer first and foremost. Now as to where that came from, all we can do is guess.

Probably. But if I were Gruden, I would have countered with that is not my goal. My goal is to win games and championships. In order to do that, I have use use all my talent as best as I see fit.

BTW, I'm ot implying that Team Griffin got to him. I'm not implying that they didn't. In reality, we don't know. But I do agree that someone most likely spoke to him and, for some reason, convinced him of the errors of his ways, so to speak.

 

[skinsdad62]

OK, because I'm bored, I'm going to stir the pot a bit. This question is primarily for Dad, but others feel free to comment.

Two days ago, Gruden, in an interview with Peter King, made the following statement as part of a larger discussion on the use of RG3: "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish. The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that." Then yesterday, in an interview with Chick Hernandez, he changed his tune a bit,, when he made this statement: "My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer."

So my question to Dad, and any others, is how do you reconcile these differing statements from Gruden on how to use RG3 in the span of 2 days? What do you think prompted in sudden turn around?

my answer is i dont see any issue with it at all take the comments in their totality and he is saying i want to develope him as a pocket passer but not stifle the other part of his game that would be foolish

i dont think anything prompted anything i think you guys need to get away from prime time TV and stop with the grassy knoll BS

in another area stephen a smith said to day that the white eli manning has thrown for 2 25 ints seasons and its called 'a bad year " and the black Rg3 has one bad season and he has questions of his character splattered all ove the media

so do i get to go grassy knoll on that conspiarcy ?

my reaction would be manning has earned currency with 2 super bowl wins and RG3 does not

he has been in the NFL for 2 years . i am not ready to call him anything at this point . he could be a bust , i cant tell you , but i am not going for the BS just yet.

 

[Sharkinva]

my answer is i dont see any issue with it at all take the comments in their totality and he is saying i want to develope him as a pocket passer but not stifle the other part of his game that would be foolish

i dont think anything prompted anything i think you guys need to get away from prime time TV and stop with the grassy knoll BS

in another area stephen a smith said to day that the white eli manning has thrown for 2 25 ints seasons and its called 'a bad year " and the black Rg3 has one bad season and he has questions of his character splattered all ove the media

so do i get to go grassy knoll on that conspiarcy ?

my reaction would be manning has earned currency with 2 super bowl wins and RG3 does not

he has been in the NFL for 2 years . i am not ready to call him anything at this point . he could be a bust , i cant tell you , but i am not going for the BS just yet.

I think Smith was fishing on this one and you took the hook. No one questions his character because he had a bad season. They question it because of his own words, actions and how the whole thing played out. I know you search for the positive in all. But he did force the issue as far as him starting day one. He did leave alot of ambiguity as far as who was to blame on the Injury and apparently succeeded in getting the majority of people to hold him blameless for going back in when he was clearly injured. And he did make quite few statements deflecting responsibility. That is why people question his character. Not because he had a bad year on the field, but because of statements he made off the field.

 

[Stymietee]

Wow, much to do about nothing. Too many people fret over this without realizing that the best answer to this "issue" is as simplistic as basic football. So here is my question and answer to all who want to make an issue outta this. Ready???.........are you sure???........OK, here goes........Why would RGIII have to run IF he has an OL that blocks effectively in front of him AND dependable WRers who are able to get open and catch the ball when thrown to them???


The issue is NOT what RGIII wants nor the coaching staff want from him, these are distractions designed for those who are easily fooled into debating abstracts. The issue is who and how effective those around him will be. Got it?? Class dismissed!!!

 

[j_y19]

I think Smith was fishing on this one and you took the hook. No one questions his character because he had a bad season. They question it because of his own words, actions and how the whole thing played out. I know you search for the positive in all. But he did force the issue as far as him starting day one. He did leave alot of ambiguity as far as who was to blame on the Injury and apparently succeeded in getting the majority of people to hold him blameless for going back in when he was clearly injured. And he did make quite few statements deflecting responsibility. That is why people question his character. Not because he had a bad year on the field, but because of statements he made off the field.

Shark, you perfectly summarized the specific actions that RG3 did or said that has me concerned. It has nothing to do with his play, his dinner/relationship with Snyder or any of the other rumors we heard about. It started with his actions and placing blame after he was injured, even though he was right in the middle of it, its the all in for week one campaign and using the press to corner Shanahan into starting him, and it was his multiple comments about teammates and coaches used as a deflection of his own poor performance. There is nothing CSI about these specific issues. He did these things.

 

[Sharkinva]

Wow, much to do about nothing. Too many people fret over this without realizing that the best answer to this "issue" is as simplistic as basic football. So here is my question and answer to all who want to make an issue outta this. Ready???.........are you sure???........OK, here goes........Why would RGIII have to run IF he has an OL that blocks effectively in front of him AND dependable WRers who are able to get open and catch the ball when thrown to them???


The issue is NOT what RGIII wants nor the coaching staff want from him, these are distractions designed for those who are easily fooled into debating abstracts. The issue is who and how effective those around him will be. Got it?? Class dismissed!!!

OK I'll play Devils Advocate (cause its what I do). Why would he have to run?? Maybe because he struggles to read defenses and go through progressions. Ever think this might be why Kyle called the kind of offense he did last year with RG3 in the game?? Its great to want to do something, but if you currently dont have the Skills for it, why would the coaches keep banging a square peg into a round hole??

 

[j_y19]

OK I'll play Devils Advocate (cause its what I do). Why would he have to run?? Maybe because he struggles to read defenses and go through progressions. Ever think this might be why Kyle called the kind of offense he did last year with RG3 in the game?? Its great to want to do something, but if you currently dont have the Skills for it, why would the coaches keep banging a square peg into a round hole??

Or how about this......because his running occasionally really fucks with the defense and how they have to scheme our offense. He is a home run threat every time he tucks the ball. That doesn't mean we run him 30 times a game, but if they have to scheme around keeping him contained, it opens up other things. Can't see why that is such a difficult concept......

 

[skinsdad62]

OK I'll play Devils Advocate (cause its what I do). Why would he have to run?? Maybe because he struggles to read defenses and go through progressions. Ever think this might be why Kyle called the kind of offense he did last year with RG3 in the game?? Its great to want to do something, but if you currently dont have the Skills for it, why would the coaches keep banging a square peg into a round hole??

when Rg3 had protection , he went thru progressions

i am sorry but i dont agree with you guys . you guys were sucked in by a negative press. i mean come on how many times does one have to go over we and me ? how many times ?

the problem is you want to see negatives because he didnt meet your expectations

you people werent bashing Rg3 in the off season you werent bashing him in his rookie ? in fact most of what was talked about is could he be ready week one ? or should they sit him thru the bye ?

Rg3 tried to come back and give us our best offensive player KC proved he isnt up to the task just yet

but what you guys did is bought into the hype when certain cowboy trolls tried to tell you what could happen you guy are mad because they were right and we were wrong

then you let doubt creep in what if he never gets it back , what if he is always injured ? look the dummy cant read defenses or follow progressions KC is the savior . tannehill is better , look at all the players we could have had

all because you cant figure out we and me because you read silly blogs by anti skins you can say i am basing it on what the" videos"say but the debates we have had dont say it they say you believe every bit of this drama you believe all the back door owner shit the film room shit the leadership shit and the Rg2 interference shit because i have to constantly debunk it .

everything i have said has been dismissed about his teammates electing him capt voting him for the courage award , saying they are in awe of his leadership attributes , . you think snyder is playing the puppet master in the background because you go back to some video and cant interpret what we and me include

nope its all too easy to follow the media like a herd of sheep because you have a preconceived notion that the trade could should and will fail .

he is 24 , he has 2 seasons under his belt . we dont have a championship caliber team

you all think snyder is a behind the scenes puppet master and if you buy the that i cant help you dont think snyder the fan can see our defense sucks ? our wrs suck ? our o/line sucks ? yet we retained the crappy coaches ?

sorry i dont buy the grassy knoll crap

 

[Sharkinva]

Once again Skinsdad, you make it seem as if we set those expectations when in fact he had a huge hand in setting them by his own words and actions. If he wasnt ready week one, it was simple he shouldnt have played. If he was too hurt to play, then he shouldnt have gone back in the game. And if he made poor throws, and then subsequently shifted blame, you cant fault some one for questioning his character. As I said, you want to believe. And i get that. But seriously this whole you are just mad at him because he didnt meet your unrealistic expectations line is crap dude. If I tell my boss I will have a project done in two hours, then blame the slow internet when i wasnt even at my desk, he would question my character too.

 

[j_y19]

when Rg3 had protection , he went thru progressions

i am sorry but i dont agree with you guys . you guys were sucked in by a negative press. i mean come on how many times does one have to go over we and me ? how many times ?

the problem is you want to see negatives because he didnt meet your expectations

you people werent bashing Rg3 in the off season you werent bashing him in his rookie ? in fact most of what was talked about is could he be ready week one ? or should they sit him thru the bye ?

Rg3 tried to come back and give us our best offensive player KC proved he isnt up to the task just yet

but what you guys did is bought into the hype when certain cowboy trolls tried to tell you what could happen you guy are mad because they were right and we were wrong

then you let doubt creep in what if he never gets it back , what if he is always injured ? look the dummy cant read defenses or follow progressions KC is the savior . tannehill is better , look at all the players we could have had

all because you cant figure out we and me because you read silly blogs by anti skins you can say i am basing it on what the" videos"say but the debates we have had dont say it they say you believe every bit of this drama you believe all the back door owner shit the film room shit the leadership shit and the Rg2 interference shit because i have to constantly debunk it .

everything i have said has been dismissed about his teammates electing him capt voting him for the courage award , saying they are in awe of his leadership attributes , . you think snyder is playing the puppet master in the background because you go back to some video and cant interpret what we and me include

nope its all too easy to follow the media like a herd of sheep because you have a preconceived notion that the trade could should and will fail .

he is 24 , he has 2 seasons under his belt . we dont have a championship caliber team

you all think snyder is a behind the scenes puppet master and if you buy the that i cant help you dont think snyder the fan can see our defense sucks ? our wrs suck ? our o/line sucks ? yet we retained the crappy coaches ?

sorry i dont buy the grassy knoll crap

I got to tell ya, dad, I have never understood this line you use, "we or me"......what are you referring to?

 

[Stymietee]

OK I'll play Devils Advocate (cause its what I do). Why would he have to run?? Maybe because he struggles to read defenses and go through progressions. Ever think this might be why Kyle called the kind of offense he did last year with RG3 in the game?? Its great to want to do something, but if you currently dont have the Skills for it, why would the coaches keep banging a square peg into a round hole??

Shark....if no one here ever says this to you I will........I absolutely appreciate you and what you've added to this site!!! Don't change man, just keep 'em coming.

That said there's probably a lot of truth in what you've written, I did think about that, I did consider his struggles in reading defenses, but then I realized........what would be the point in going through progressions when there was no one to throw to even if he had.........that his confidence in his line waned over the season (remember the X-box one's combination gift-joke) I really think that RGIII would never admit to any of this and if asked neither would the coaches. This was the team that took the field on their say so and, we all know how that worked out and now we are all looking forward to the changes that come along the OL and at WR and how RGIII functions behind/with them.

BTW: The devil doesn't need another advocate......right gkekoa??