tOfficial "2014 NFL Draft" Thread

[Johnnydollaz89]

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wow

Smart man.

 

[Clayton]

I will start I guess...

2. St. Louis--Greg Robinson OT
13. St. Louis--HaHa Clinton-Dix S

This is my 'worst case scenario' Rams draft. Which means it just might happen. I know people are high on Robinson right now for some reason but I get a huge Jason Smith vibe from him. Robinson has almost no experience in pass protection.

If you're drafting a tackle and a S in the top 15, you want them to be really elite guys. I don't think either of these guys will sniff a pro bowl

 

[cdumler7]

This is my 'worst case scenario' Rams draft. Which means it just might happen. I know people are high on Robinson right now for some reason but I get a huge Jason Smith vibe from him. Robinson has almost no experience in pass protection.

If you're drafting a tackle and a S in the top 15, you want them to be really elite guys. I don't think either of these guys will sniff a pro bowl

Robinson isn't my favorite tackle in this class as the term "potential" get's thrown out way too often these days. I would rather draft a guy that actually did something in college than a guy especially that high up that needs some coaching to even get to the level of other guys in the draft let alone then above them. I put him there though because again people fall in love with "potential" more so these days than ever before.

Nix again I agree I wouldn't say he has the pro bowl potential. In fact that guy that played next to him that got hurt Sunseri I think will actually be the better pro and most likely won't go till the 5th round or later because of his injury. I mostly put him there to St. Louis as teams seem to be looking at the safety position a lot higher these days. I almost put one of the top corners going to them as I do think that could be a position they look at too.

 

[Clayton]

I mostly put him there to St. Louis as teams seem to be looking at the safety position a lot higher these days. I almost put one of the top corners going to them as I do think that could be a position they look at too.

Their secondary is what is holding back the defense and was the reason for the DC coaching change. The general gist is that most people assume that Cortland Innegan is going to get cut. Janoris Jenkins was godawful as a #1 CB last year. TJ McDonald is well liked by the team and is expected to plug in one of the safety spots for the long term but the other one is totally open.

A quick google search shows me that in the years Gregg Williams was a DC for Jeff Fisher in Tennessee they drafted:

Kenny Holmes (DE), Kevin Dyson (WR), Jevon Kearse (DE), Keith Bullock (LB) in Rd1
Joey Kent (WR), Samari Rolle (CB), John Thornton (DT) in Rd2
Denard Walker (CB/S), Dainon Sydney (CB), Zach Pillar (G), Erron Kinney (TE), Byron Firsch (DE) in Rd3

So thats 8 high picks on defense and 4 on offense.

If #2 overall isnt a trade down, its Clowney imo

 

[cdumler7]

Their secondary is what is holding back the defense and was the reason for the DC coaching change. The general gist is that most people assume that Cortland Innegan is going to get cut. Janoris Jenkins was godawful as a #1 CB last year. TJ McDonald is well liked by the team and is expected to plug in one of the safety spots for the long term but the other one is totally open.

A quick google search shows me that in the years Gregg Williams was a DC for Jeff Fisher in Tennessee they drafted:

Kenny Holmes (DE), Kevin Dyston (WR), Jevon Kearse (DE), Keith Bullock (LB) in Rd1
Joey Kent (WR), Samari Rolle (CB), John Thornton (DT) in Rd2
Denard Walker (CB/S), Dainon Sydney (CB), Zach Pillar (G), Erron Kinney (TE), Byron Firsch (DE) in Rd3

So thats 8 high picks on defense and 4 on offense.

If #2 overall isnt a trade down, its Clowney imo

You think it would be Clowney even with all of the Pass rushers the Rams already have? Not saying he isn't worthy of the spot (not as high on Clowney as some but still think he deserves to go top 5) but just seems like it doesn't fill a huge need. Now given I respect teams that draft BPA instead of caring so much about position just think there are other guys at that spot that could help right away and be a full time starter.

 

[Clayton]

You think it would be Clowney even with all of the Pass rushers the Rams already have? Not saying he isn't worthy of the spot (not as high on Clowney as some but still think he deserves to go top 5) but just seems like it doesn't fill a huge need. Now given I respect teams that draft BPA instead of caring so much about position just think there are other guys at that spot that could help right away and be a full time starter.

I think there is at least a 75% chance they trade down

 

[Jakology]

Why is Clowney getting a free pass for all his antics? I don't get it. Taking plays off all the time. And a HUGE red flag is the lack of conditioning. Yes, he's a Julius Peppers, once in a lifetime kind of talent. I get it. But, all the red flags are plain to see. There is huge risk coming with whoever picks this guy. I'm glad the Dolphins don't have a high pick. I want them to stay miles away from him. Do you guys honestly want an elite talent that can't stay on the field every play, and even when on the field, is apt to not giving 100%? This guy is Albert Haynesworth. Just a different position.

Onto other things. I love the draft, because I follow college football too, and like to follow players throughout their careers. I was going through the Bleacher Report mock draft and I saw this:

194. Washington Redskins: Jemea Thomas, FS, Georgia Tech

I'm going to go ahead and call steal of the draft if this happens. He's undersized, so he plays some corner too. 5'10 190 pounds. But he can tackle(73 tackles last season, 62 solo). Also a great coverage guy at either corner or safety(8 pass breakups last season along with 2 INTs). Teams threw away from him most of the year. I don't understand why he's rated so low...I'm sure after the combine, his stock will go through the roof.

 

[NinerSickness]

Why is Clowney getting a free pass for all his antics? I don't get it. Taking plays off all the time. And a HUGE red flag is the lack of conditioning. Yes, he's a Julius Peppers, once in a lifetime kind of talent. I get it. But, all the red flags are plain to see. There is huge risk coming with whoever picks this guy. I'm glad the Dolphins don't have a high pick. I want them to stay miles away from him. Do you guys honestly want an elite talent that can't stay on the field every play, and even when on the field, is apt to not giving 100%? This guy is Albert Haynesworth. Just a different position.

If he's Albert Haynesworth then you definitely want to draft him. Hayneworth was a monster before his big pay day.

Clowney knew he'd be picked in the top 5 regardless, so he mailed it in this year. He partied a lot. He has no problem with conditioning. He was "sick" (hung over) for one game & he didn't work hard this year. That says nothing about his ability to get in shape. Clowney is a no-brainer. He's gonna party & be a dumbass like most NFL players, but if you're worried about his conditioning you're worried about nothing.

 

[Jakology]

If he's Albert Haynesworth then you definitely want to draft him. Hayneworth was a monster before his big pay day.

Clowney knew he'd be picked in the top 5 regardless, so he mailed it in this year. He partied a lot. He has no problem with conditioning. He was "sick" (hung over) for one game & he didn't work hard this year. That says nothing about his ability to get in shape. Clowney is a no-brainer. He's gonna party & be a dumbass like most NFL players, but if you're worried about his conditioning you're worried about nothing.

Take a second to reread what you just said. That is bad. And yes, there are conditioning issues from the games I watched. I can't remember him consistently staying on the field in any game I saw. He came on and off the field as he pleased. He would just point at the sideline and run off. Subbing himself out. And you can see him on the sideline sweating and getting re-hydrated. Go back and look at the tape if you don't believe me. But I understand that the chance of 20 sack seasons are there. So somebody is going to take that risk. But it wouldn't be me.

 

[Clayton]

As far as Clowney to the Rams is concerned, Chris Long is a hustle guy. He will always be applying pressure but Chris Long isn't explosive. There is a time limit that a QB can have and he'll always be able to get rid of the ball before Long arrives. If Long didn't have Quinn, he'd have bad numbers. Long currently doesn't have a good secondary so last year his numbers were fairly average. If backed up by an above average secondary and Quinn, Long would produce at an elite level.

Clowney is explosive.

 

[JohnRandle]

Anybody want to take a crack at the 1st round now that all the teams have finished?


I will start I guess...


1. Houston--Blake Bortles QB
2. St. Louis--Greg Robinson OT
3. Jacksonville--Johnny Manziel QB
4. Cleveland Browns--Teddy Bridgewater QB
5. Oakland Raiders--Jadeveon Clowney DE
6. Atlanta--Kahlil Mack De/OLB
7. Tampa Bay--Anthony Barr DE
8. Minnesota--Jake Matthews OT
9. Buffalo Bills--Sammy Watkins WR
10. Detroit--Mike Evans WR
11. Tennessee--Taylor Lewan OT
12. Giants--Timmy Jernigan DT
13. St. Louis--HaHa Clinton-Dix S
14. Chicago--Aaron Donald DT
15. Pittsburgh--Marquise Lee WR
16. Dallas--Louis Nix DT
17. Baltimore--CJ Mosley MLB
18. Jets--Kelvin Benjamin WR
19. Miami--Cyrus Kouandjio OT
20. Arizona--Zach Martin OT/G
21. Green Bay--Eric Ebron TE
22. Philadelphia--Darqueze Dennard CB
23. Kansas City--Jace Amaro TE
24. Cincinnati--Justin Gilbert CB
25. San Diego--Jason Verrett CB
26. Cleveland--Davonte Adams WR
27. New Orleans--Kony Ealy DE/OLB
28. Carolina--Allen Robinson WR
29. New England--Ra'Shede Hageman DT
30. San Francisco--Jarvis Landry WR
31. Denver--Ryan Shazier MLB
32. Seattle-Brandon Cooks WR

With Loadholt and Kalil both young, and signed to contracts I can't see that happening.
If Mack is there at #8, I can see him being the pick. I would be shocked if they went offense, let alone OT.

 

[Jakology]

As far as Clowney to the Rams is concerned, Chris Long is a hustle guy. He will always be applying pressure but Chris Long isn't explosive. There is a time limit that a QB can have and he'll always be able to get rid of the ball before Long arrives. If Long didn't have Quinn, he'd have bad numbers. Long currently doesn't have a good secondary so last year his numbers were fairly average. If backed up by an above average secondary and Quinn, Long would produce at an elite level.

Clowney is explosive.

Now the Rams. That's a perfect fit for him, and hopefully Long could get his head on straight. He doesn't have to dominate right away, even though we know he can and will. That could end up being an amazing pick. I like that idea. But any other team, it would be a huge risk in my book. The thing with the Rams though, is you really need help on offense. All over the place really. Tavon Austin is a great playmaker, but that's about all you have explosion wise. If I was the Rams, I would be talking to the Raiders, Vikings, and Titans about trading for the pick, so I can stock pile picks and build up the O line and receiving core.

 

[NinerSickness]

Take a second to reread what you just said. That is bad. And yes, there are conditioning issues from the games I watched. I can't remember him consistently staying on the field in any game I saw. He came on and off the field as he pleased. He would just point at the sideline and run off. Subbing himself out. And you can see him on the sideline sweating and getting re-hydrated. Go back and look at the tape if you don't believe me. But I understand that the chance of 20 sack seasons are there. So somebody is going to take that risk. But it wouldn't be me.

You're over-thinking this. Clowney didn't have any conditioning issues as a freshman or sophomore. When you're guaranteed to be one of the first picks because you're simply better than anyone else on the field you don't have to go all out your last season in college. Some people say he should've just say out the season; and if he did it wouldn't have hurt his stock one bit.

Clowney is a man amongst boys.

 

[cdumler7]

With Loadholt and Kalil both young, and signed to contracts I can't see that happening.
If Mack is there at #8, I can see him being the pick. I would be shocked if they went offense, let alone OT.

Yeah Minnesota was a tough one in I know the OL is actually pretty decent. The biggest problem was I just had the 3 big defensive player names go off the board and wasn't sure there was another defensive player worthy of being that high. Throw in then the quarterbacks all being off the board as well it just left nothing of great value when it came to Minnesota. Again it was just hard to find anybody of value that fit the spot at this point. I could see Mosley climbing that high but MLB seems to not be a premium position anymore in the NFL. I could maybe see Justin Gilbert as many have him ranked as the top corner but I have watched some tape on him and the guy just doesn't impress me as much as others I guess. He easily gets turned around and struggles against athletic receivers.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Yeah Minnesota was a tough one in I know the OL is actually pretty decent. The biggest problem was I just had the 3 big defensive player names go off the board and wasn't sure there was another defensive player worthy of being that high. Throw in then the quarterbacks all being off the board as well it just left nothing of great value when it came to Minnesota. Again it was just hard to find anybody of value that fit the spot at this point. I could see Mosley climbing that high but MLB seems to not be a premium position anymore in the NFL. I could maybe see Justin Gilbert as many have him ranked as the top corner but I have watched some tape on him and the guy just doesn't impress me as much as others I guess. He easily gets turned around and struggles against athletic receivers.

8 is a tough slot to project right now, so is 15...I agree on Mosley, he could shoot up a few spots, especially if he runs a a fast time @ the combine. I sense he'll play a 3-4 ILB as he did @ Bama.

I'm thinking if Clowney has a great combine HOU might just take him...worst case STL will...if it's just average...HOU probably takes Bortles, and STL Matthews, which might drop Mack or Barr down to 8.

MIN or CLE (the Browns have the extra picks) will trade for Cousins and fall out of the QB early stakes in the draft. If that happens one of the top 4 QBs could drop into the 2nd round or late 1st.

 

[cdumler7]

8 is a tough slot to project right now, so is 15...I agree on Mosley, he could shoot up a few spots, especially if he runs a a fast time @ the combine. I sense he'll play a 3-4 ILB as he did @ Bama.

I'm thinking if Clowney has a great combine HOU might just take him...worst case STL will...if it's just average...HOU probably takes Bortles, and STL Matthews, which might drop Mack or Barr down to 8.

MIN or CLE (the Browns have the extra picks) will trade for Cousins and fall out of the QB early stakes in the draft. If that happens one of the top 4 QBs could drop into the 2nd round or late 1st.

Yeah I agree...it just really is hard to tell where players are going to go right now. You have those guys who are being hyped up big time like Bortles who has gone from 2nd-3rd round type guy to now being talked about as 1st overall pick. I think until after the combine it is just all of us being bored trying to pass the time and taking a guess. Every year there is some player that just wows everybody at the Combine and shoots up the board (my guess for this season is Bradley Roby of Ohio State. He has elite speed and could run in the low 4.3's at the Combine. His tape paints a picture of somebody pretty inconsistent and struggling against #1 receivers especially guys that will make pro teams but there is no denying the guy has the athleticism to just wow you.

 

[Jakology]

The Vikings have to get the QB. That's what I'm looking at. If they can find a competent QB, they are a playoff contender. Question is, how much are they willing to give up to get their guy? Anybody know the market for Cousins? I don't think I'd give any higher than a couple 3rd rounders. And that's being generous. But they could probably get Cousins cheaper than if they tried to trade up for one of the QBs in the draft.

 

[Clayton]

Vikings need to work on their defense. If they get a shot at a top 3 QB then they should go for it but Cassel is an upgrade over Ponder and Freeman could be rehabbed mentally. Their defense kinda fell apart though and key parts of their Dline is getting old

If your best player is a running back, you should have a great defense

 

[NinerSickness]

The Vikings have to get the QB. That's what I'm looking at. If they can find a competent QB, they are a playoff contender. Question is, how much are they willing to give up to get their guy? Anybody know the market for Cousins? I don't think I'd give any higher than a couple 3rd rounders. And that's being generous. But they could probably get Cousins cheaper than if they tried to trade up for one of the QBs in the draft.

I'm guessing they trade up for Bridgewater if Bortles & Manziel are taken ahead of him. He's GR4 minus the speed IMO (with all the vulnerability to injury).

 

[Jakology]

Vikings need to work on their defense. If they get a shot at a top 3 QB then they should go for it but Cassel is an upgrade over Ponder and Freeman could be rehabbed mentally. Their defense kinda fell apart though and key parts of their Dline is getting old

While true, they have some names on that defense that can play, and I think they can have a bounce back year next year. They have a chance at having a truly electric offense if they can find a QB worth a damn. I mean just look at these weapons: Jennings, Patterson, Simpson, Rudolph, and of course AP. Their O line has some nice young players. I think a competent QB makes them at least an 8 win team.