Cousins might be playing last 3 games

[skinsdad62]

Dad, you can not seriously judge a QBs play based on him getting inserted late in the midst of a blow out. Every one on the planet knows at that point you can do nothing but pass in order to make the score look even respectable at the end of the day. Its also isnt a given that he will stink either. But it does serve to possible damage the look and credibility of the starter if the backup comes in with less of a roster and performs even decently. The concept that Shanahan has no horse in this race is flawed as well. Right now its assumed that no one could win with the rest of the players around RG3, proving that wrong would go a long way towards pointing out that the talent was there. And yes it is all about the blame game at the moment. As i have said, the worst outcome from an RG3 support standpoint would be Cousins starts, Cousins wins and looks good doing it with two teams still on the Schedule that have every reason to play hard. The whole damaging the relationship with the QB angle goes out the window, unless he is that insecure that he will hold it against the organization for the coach which they plan to fire for doing what he thinks is best for the team.

sorry if i came across that way shark but no you cant judge KC on the last few mop up insertions . in fact if KC were to start i would want him to do well because it hurts our team if he fails .

as for the horse in this race , shanny is out the door according to you guys and just about every sane person in here .

i am of the opinion that RG3 should get as many game snaps as he can period . i think you try to win the games that are left . if you dont then this gets uglier and uglier

my thing is dean's assumption that KC would have parted the red seas and led us to the promised land because KC might be ahead in some areas but he to has a learning curve and to assume he pulls out more games with this horrible team is a huge leap of faith

 

[Sharkinva]

my thing is dean's assumption that KC would have parted the red seas and led us to the promised land because KC might be ahead in some areas but he to has a learning curve and to assume he pulls out more games with this horrible team is a huge leap of faith

Dad, its no worse than the assumption that Griffin gave us the best chance to win. Its speculation on both sides. The only real facts here are that we are currently 3-10 with Griffin starting, and Cousins has not even remotely gotten the chance to prove if he could have done better or not. You know Im of the mindset that without Griffin we would be no worse than we are right now, and long term might actually be in a better position. The season is a waste, getting Griffin reps in these game really serves little point now as we likely wont be running the same offense, and everyone says his performance is suffering to the poor offensive line play any way. So sit him, play Cousins, take any and all doubt out of the picture and start from scratch since we are doing that any way.

 

[skinsdad62]

Dad, its no worse than the assumption that Griffin gave us the best chance to win. Its speculation on both sides. The only real facts here are that we are currently 3-10 with Griffin starting, and Cousins has not even remotely gotten the chance to prove if he could have done better or not. You know Im of the mindset that without Griffin we would be no worse than we are right now, and long term might actually be in a better position. The season is a waste, getting Griffin reps in these game really serves little point now as we likely wont be running the same offense, and everyone says his performance is suffering to the poor offensive line play any way. So sit him, play Cousins, take any and all doubt out of the picture and start from scratch since we are doing that any way.

RG3 had one of the best rookie seasons ever by a player . going into the season i would say the odds were pretty good he did .

i am of the mindset that that we would be way worse with resx or beck or tannehill in the mix . we would have a string of 500 or worse records and we would be going into this draft looking for a franchise qb

3/4's of the NFL would love to have Rg3

 

[Sharkinva]

RG3 had one of the best rookie seasons ever by a player . going into the season i would say the odds were pretty good he did .

i am of the mindset that that we would be way worse with resx or beck or tannehill in the mix . we would have a string of 500 or worse records and we would be going into this draft looking for a franchise qb

3/4's of the NFL would love to have Rg3

We are currently 3-10, and looking at a possible 3-13 finish.... it would be hard to be worse than this. And he had one good season where he got injured. Sorry but Im not ready to proclaim him a franchise QB just yet. The bar for that is a little higher than a 10 win season. We might not have our potential franchise QB at the moment, but we would likely have a few other players that could help out. You assume 3/4 of the NFL would love to have him, but not at the cost that we gave up for him. Had we used the picks better, we might actually have the pieces in place to support a franchise QB. Right now we dont have the pieces, and aside from cost and one good season he is not yet a franchise QB.

 

[skinsdad62]

We are currently 3-10, and looking at a possible 3-13 finish.... it would be hard to be worse than this. And he had one good season where he got injured. Sorry but Im not ready to proclaim him a franchise QB just yet. The bar for that is a little higher than a 10 win season. We might not have our potential franchise QB at the moment, but we would likely have a few other players that could help out. You assume 3/4 of the NFL would love to have him, but not at the cost that we gave up for him. Had we used the picks better, we might actually have the pieces in place to support a franchise QB. Right now we dont have the pieces, and aside from cost and one good season he is not yet a franchise QB.

RG3 didnt put a gun to the skins organizational head and made them draft him or trade up yet you act like it is his fault they did .

now lets go back to a conversation we had a few years back when i said we should keep JC as the stop gap qb , use our draft picks to put pieces around him , and go from there . the response i got is we dont need a bus driver qb and we should gut 2 drafts for the likes of a bradford or sanchez ( the hope was they were franchise qbs )

well 2 years ago the franchise gutted 2 drafts to get the best qb available in the draft known at the time and now the tune has changed ?

man i would just love a fan base that said what they meant and meant what they said instead of all of this front running bash after the fact BS is there anyone who has a conviction anymore ?

when we discussed the cost of trading up for a franchise qb i warned it would cost the gutting of 2 drafts . no problem was the retort , a franchise qb is a must have !!!!

now the tune has changed

RG3 appears to be heading the way other skins players have gone . talented guys who made their impacts elsewhere while we wonder what might have been

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I'm beginning to be of the opinion that if Shanny is staying for the last 3 games, might as well start Cousins. If there is an interim HC, go with Griff.

The relationship seems beyond damaged and at least with Cousins, Kyle and Mike would be forced to make certain scheme adjustments. Not sure that outweighs Griffs reps for development, but I'm beginning to see a case for it, given the toxicity and lack of trust between those two. Make it three if you include Kyle.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

But then on the other hand, Shanny is a master gamesman and set the scene at today's presser well, lol.

Shoot, I don't know what should be done.

I'll just watch thru fingers covering my face...

 

[Sharkinva]

RG3 didnt put a gun to the skins organizational head and made them draft him or trade up yet you act like it is his fault they did .

now lets go back to a conversation we had a few years back when i said we should keep JC as the stop gap qb , use our draft picks to put pieces around him , and go from there . the response i got is we dont need a bus driver qb and we should gut 2 drafts for the likes of a bradford or sanchez ( the hope was they were franchise qbs )

well 2 years ago the franchise gutted 2 drafts to get the best qb available in the draft known at the time and now the tune has changed ?

man i would just love a fan base that said what they meant and meant what they said instead of all of this front running bash after the fact BS is there anyone who has a conviction anymore ?

when we discussed the cost of trading up for a franchise qb i warned it would cost the gutting of 2 drafts . no problem was the retort , a franchise qb is a must have !!!!

now the tune has changed

RG3 appears to be heading the way other skins players have gone . talented guys who made their impacts elsewhere while we wonder what might have been

I DONT think he is a franchise QB, I have serious doubts he will become a franchise QB. Never said the idea of doing what it took to get a franchise QB was a bad idea. I just honestly think we got the WRONG GUY.

Plain enough??

Oh yea, and the campbell trade was the worst waste of resources on a player... until now possibly.

 

[gkekoa]

I DONT think he is a franchise QB, I have serious doubts he will become a franchise QB. Never said the idea of doing what it took to get a franchise QB was a bad idea. I just honestly think we got the WRONG GUY.

Plain enough??

Oh yea, and the campbell trade was the worst waste of resources on a player... until now possibly.

I can respect this stance Shark. I'm not sure if I agree with you; however, it's a valid opinion.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I DONT think he is a franchise QB, I have serious doubts he will become a franchise QB. Never said the idea of doing what it took to get a franchise QB was a bad idea. I just honestly think we got the WRONG GUY.

Plain enough??

Oh yea, and the campbell trade was the worst waste of resources on a player... until now possibly.

Try to be reasonable about this. First of all - I don't care if he is a "Franchise QB". I only care about him being an effective QB since the other term is loosely thrown around & has a lot of different meanings at this time.

The guy is in his second year & in a phase where a lot of QBs screw up yet are able to become better in subsequent years. At this point in time he had one very good year & one lousy one. The key will be how he handles this offseason. He needs to look in the mirror & realize that he was immature & made a lot of mistakes. That is key. He can then move on (with whoever) and start to work on some of his flawed mechanics while also making his body even stronger.

If you combine that with some needed upgrades on the offense he might just be fine. Who knows at this time. However - many QBs have turned it around in their 3rd yr so this is key. Time will tell.

BTW - I believe that hiring Briles might be a huge mistake since it will feed RG3's ego even more & might cause him to never admit that he is a big part of the problem.

 

[Lonewate44]

I DONT think he is a franchise QB, I have serious doubts he will become a franchise QB. Never said the idea of doing what it took to get a franchise QB was a bad idea. I just honestly think we got the WRONG GUY.

Plain enough??

Oh yea, and the campbell trade was the worst waste of resources on a player... until now possibly.

Shark......

I believe you are wrong about RG....but you are entitled to your opinion.....I am hopeful as a Skins fan, that year 2 was just a bad year as he was coming off injury, bad Oline.etc......

We as fans can only hope that is the case, because he will be opur starting QB going forward......

I do find it hard to believe you are not a fan of RG when I look at your Avatar.....What's up with that? Someone who thinks RG is a mistake of Epic proportions for the skins...sporting that?

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark......

I believe you are wrong about RG....but you are entitled to your opinion.....I am hopeful as a Skins fan, that year 2 was just a bad year as he was coming off injury, bad Oline.etc......

We as fans can only hope that is the case, because he will be opur starting QB going forward......

I do find it hard to believe you are not a fan of RG when I look at your Avatar.....What's up with that? Someone who thinks RG is a mistake of Epic proportions for the skins...sporting that?

I think its a cool picture, and I know it would irritate certain other fan bases. But I have my reasons for thinking it was a bad move for the Skins. Option QB with no experience under center. I think the fact that our offensive success relied so heavily on his option abilities last year speaks volumes that he is not transitioning smoothly to a more traditional passing style. And once you take his legs away he has been less than average as a passer.

 

[deanpet21]

Absolutely right Shark about RG3. He is below avg. to avg. without his legs. We have a RB at QB. Lets hope he becomes Randall Cuningham. I just hope he doesn't turn into Kordell Stewart.

 

[Lonewate44]

I think its a cool picture, and I know it would irritate certain other fan bases. But I have my reasons for thinking it was a bad move for the Skins. Option QB with no experience under center. I think the fact that our offensive success relied so heavily on his option abilities last year speaks volumes that he is not transitioning smoothly to a more traditional passing style. And once you take his legs away he has been less than average as a passer.

I dont neciessarily disagree with how he is looking now.....but seriously.....No offseason work for the man ...no real trainging camp.....Big things to overcome...Even the best QBs would struggle to a certain extent with missing the entire offseason......

Does he need to improve? Absolutly.....but we did see last year, he does have an Arm....he can make all the throws....he can lead this team...He does have the "IT" factor to make those around him better....to carry a team on his back..... Look what he was able to do last year!!!!

now......Defenses have figured it out ......As we knew they would....However, with them figuring it out, it exposed our Weak Oline......That Line is terrible....he has been pummled, beaten, and abused in the pocket, Manning wouldnt be doing what he does with our Oline...Brady either....Brees either......This Oline is terrible.....I have never seen so many Oleys, from the right tackle as I have this year......When you dont actually touch a defender and give him free riegin to come in...Pretty hard to do much of anything back there.......

The coachs have not helped.....Lets see...A staple of the shannhan offense is fake to the RB and roll the pocket....He did it for years in Denver successfuly, but this year...Nope.....Lets see...when your oline cant protect, why not roll the pocket and help protect him???

The coachs, have failed this team, and RG is paying for it.....We as fans are paying for it!!!

I have to believe with a full offseason fo work, and being able to hone his skills, we will see a better, more confident Qb behind the line....and lets hope it is a line that can ...you know.....actually pass block..put a hand on a rushing defender....

There is no doubt he will be starting next year


And I do like the avatar pic...and Im sure it does piss off certain fan bases!!!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Absolutely right Shark about RG3. He is below avg. to avg. without his legs. We have a RB at QB. Lets hope he becomes Randall Cuningham. I just hope he doesn't turn into Kordell Stewart.

Disagree. The guy has a lot of tools and ability. Unfortunately - he has some flaws & was not able to address them during the last offseason. I believe that you are clinging to the hope that Cousins is somehow better than RG3. I guess that anything is possible, but I would find that very hard to believe. If he is so great how in the world did he slip to the 4th round? I realize that there is the occasional Brady type situation, but that is very rare.

Face facts - RG3's upside is considerably higher than Cousins. I realize that RG3 had a bad season this year, but it is almost as if your implying that he will be bad long term. Until proven over the long term I am not buying it & if you are a Redskins fan you better hope this is not true or else it may set this team back for a very, very long time.

 

[757Hokie83]

Not going to happen guys. If Shanny comes out Wednesday and says Cousins will start the rest of the season, 20 minutes later he will be fired. Even if they have to name the QB coach interim HC, this week was the first and last time we see Griffin benched this season.

you know that's what shannahan wants, right? sounds like he was going to leave last year, cause he doesn't like the coddling of rg3, then he got hurt, and he didn't want to look like he was the coach who would leave just cause his qb got hurt. Benching RG3, insures that he doesn't get hurt to end the year, or gets Shannahan fired, so he can pursue the Texans job. Win/win for the coach.

RG3 is on a pedestal in the owners mind, everyone there is sick of it, and this is shannahan's best way out of the cluster.

I will also add, I do love the implosion of the Washington redskins...I only hope that when Shannhan goes, they hire Art Briles, the meltdown would be glorious!

 

[deanpet21]

Rg3's upside is higher b/c he is the better athlete and has more potential. But right now Cousins is the better pocket passer. Of course I hope RG3 flourishes. I believe Rg3 would of been benched early this year if we didn't give up all those picks. Remember the Shuler and Ferrotte draft. Shuler #3 overall and Gus 7th round pick. Who ended up playing more? Gus. My point is that crazy stuff like this happens. In this case Rg3 has all the power b/c the Skins gave up so much to get him. So they are forced to play him no matter how bad he is.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

you know that's what shannahan wants, right? sounds like he was going to leave last year, cause he doesn't like the coddling of rg3, then he got hurt, and he didn't want to look like he was the coach who would leave just cause his qb got hurt. Benching RG3, insures that he doesn't get hurt to end the year, or gets Shannahan fired, so he can pursue the Texans job. Win/win for the coach.

RG3 is on a pedestal in the owners mind, everyone there is sick of it, and this is shannahan's best way out of the cluster.

I will also add, I do love the implosion of the Washington redskins...I only hope that when Shannhan goes, they hire Art Briles, the meltdown would be glorious!

You sound like the perfect audience for the media - you pretty much believe & buy into everything. Fact is nobody really knows what happens & it is very likely Shanahan is floating this story to get out of his last year. Hmmm - if he is such a great guy why didn't this story come out earlier? How convenient that it only comes out at a time when his team totally quit on him & he is looking for the easy way out.

The easy target is always Snyder so kudos to Mike S. for playing it in this manner. I have gone from being on the fence about him to totally wanting him to get lost since I question his integrity and honesty. I also would not count on him getting another head coaching job since it has been quite a while since he has had extended success with any team.

I totally realize that Snyder, Shanahan & RG3 are all to blame but you know who has to go. I also won't panic too much since - as bad as it may appear - things can be corrected over the next several years with the right moves (barring another petty move by the Giants sleazy owner). Time to move on & get past this bad episode.

 

[Sharkinva]

Like I have said guys, IM just not sold. Can he improve?? Sure. Do I expect it given the current state of the team?? Not really. We put all our chips on one guy and now we are likely going to ride with it no matter what. I think the whole thing has been mishandled from the initial trade, to the injury, to playing him early in the year. Now its all about recovering from those mistakes. And i really dont have faith in the organization or the player that this can be fixed. The organization is a mess, and the player just reminds me too much of a politician right now. He says the right things, but in the end Im not sold he will do what needs to be done.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Rg3's upside is higher b/c he is the better athlete and has more potential. But right now Cousins is the better pocket passer. Of course I hope RG3 flourishes. I believe Rg3 would of been benched early this year if we didn't give up all those picks. Remember the Shuler and Ferrotte draft. Shuler #3 overall and Gus 7th round pick. Who ended up playing more? Gus. My point is that crazy stuff like this happens. In this case Rg3 has all the power b/c the Skins gave up so much to get him. So they are forced to play him no matter how bad he is.

Cmon - you make it sound as if all RG3 can do is run which is incorrect. Watch several of his games where he did display good passing skills. However - again - he has flaws such as pocket awareness, field vision, clock mgmt, etc that need work. This could not be corrected last offseason due to his therapy. I see this as being correctable. Not stating that they will be necessarily but don't see why not.

Your statements about Cousins are pure conjecture. His only real NFL resume is a handful of games - a mixed bag against the Falcons, a good series against the Ravens & a good game against a not-so-great Browns team. That proves that he is a very good NFL QB? Please - could go either way.

The Shuler Frerotte comparison is amusing. Unlike RG3 - Shuler never did anything in the NFL & Frerotte was eventually nothing more than a journeyman & made his share of mistakes in DC. Let's hope this QB battle does not end in this manner.