Lundqvist extension, 7 years 8.5mil per year

[Forty_Sixand2]

Wow!!!



Not really shocked actually, but I don't know if a 31 year old goalie is worth that.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Yes he is, would have gotten the same, probably more on the open market.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

We can revisit this when he is 35. He would have made more on the open market for sure but I would have said "peace out".

NHL Goalies are like NFL running backs these days. Loon at the last 5-6 Stanley Cup champs.

 

[awaz]

We can revisit this when he is 35. He would have made more on the open market for sure but I would have said "peace out".

NHL Goalies are like NFL running backs these days. Loon at the last 5-6 Stanley Cup champs.

exactly. IMO goalies aren't worth more than a 2-3 year contract and 2-4 mil.. regardless of who it is.. there's too many goalies that are at least borderline #1 guys that can get hot for a season, or a playoff run

who had..

ben scrivens
josh harding
cam talbot
steve mason
robin lehner
ben bishop
james reimer

in their top 10 for save percentage this year? ben bishop, at 2.4 mil, is the highest paid on that list.

 

[awaz]

also just for fun..

steve mason: 9th in GAA, 6th in SV%
sergei bobrovsky: 31st in GAA, 32nd in SV%

that's gotta hurt one of our posters.

 

[Cobiemonster]

It is a lot of money for Hank and he better back it up - Jonathan Quick got 2.7 million less per season than Henrik Lundqvist and Jonathan Quick imo is right there with him in terms of best in the league(I know some will disagree but I've always thought this) - Hank better be big time for them or it's going to cripple them

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

$8.5 million? Wow...

 

[forty_three]

also just for fun..

steve mason: 9th in GAA, 6th in SV%
sergei bobrovsky: 31st in GAA, 32nd in SV%

that's gotta hurt one of our posters.

Not as much as this hurt a bunch of others:

I'm glad for Mason. He totally screwed the pooch here, and put himself in a position where he was never going to survive. He needed to get his head together and prove he wasn't still a stupid, bulletproof kid. He's done that. Nothing but respect.

Enjoy it while you can!

 

[forty_three]

Oh, and regarding Henry...

It's not the money, it's the years. That's INSANE to give any goalie, especially one in decline, that kind of term.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Oh, and regarding Henry...

It's not the money, it's the years. That's INSANE to give any goalie, especially one in decline, that kind of term.

I think the money is pretty bad as well. $8.5 million is quite a cap hit for a goalie.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Oh, and regarding Henry...

It's not the money, it's the years. That's INSANE to give any goalie, especially one in decline, that kind of term.

especially when 3 years in (or sooner???) ... Vigneault will name Talbot his presumptive #1 goalie

 

[DevilishWon]

exactly. IMO goalies aren't worth more than a 2-3 year contract and 2-4 mil.. regardless of who it is.. there's too many goalies that are at least borderline #1 guys that can get hot for a season, or a playoff run

who had..

ben scrivens
josh harding
cam talbot
steve mason
robin lehner
ben bishop
james reimer

in their top 10 for save percentage this year? ben bishop, at 2.4 mil, is the highest paid on that list.

When those guys start winning playoff series let me know.....

 

[elocomotive]

Oh, and regarding Henry...

It's not the money, it's the years. That's INSANE to give any goalie, especially one in decline, that kind of term.

Exactly. If it were the same amount for 2-3 years, I think everyone would think 'yeah, well you have to lock down your team's MVP. Good move.' But for 7 years in his 30s?

Freakin' owners/GMs. They complain about this stuff during labor talks, but we've seen max. time deals all over the place since the lockout. Ridiculous.

 

[dash]

August 9, 2012:

Bettman indicated that "fundamental economics" are more of a key element to the negotiations than revenue sharing.

"The fundamental proposal, our initial proposal, relates to the fact that we need to be paying out less in player costs," he said.

Yeah, how's that working out Gary.

 

[dash]

Oh, by the way, don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge Henrik one bit for getting his big payday. My point is when the next lockout rolls around (and it will), some fans will rush to the owners side and Bettman (if he still is commish) will trot out the same lines he's used time and time again (we are paying the players way too much money) and fundamental economics no longer work in the NHL and they'll take another slice from the players after losing more regular season games.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[elocomotive]

When those guys start winning playoff series let me know.....

Guys just like them HAVE been winning playoff series and Cups recently. I think that was the point several were making above. Here are the last five Cup champs with the goalie and age when they won...

2008-2009 - Fleury, 24
2009-2010 - Niemi, 26
2010-2011 - Thomas, 37
2011-2012 - Quick, 26
2012-2013 - Crawford, 28

Only Thomas in that group has a Vezina, and even his is an unusual story of a workman/struggling goalie who's game suddenly blossomed. So those Cup-winning teams have a variety of mediocre to very good goalies who got hot at the right time. It's a mixed bag. But what they all had were top notch forwards and D-men that are perennial all-stars.

The reason is simple. The best goalie in the league stops 94% of the shots at them and the worst stops around 90%. So from the worst to best you only have about a 4% difference. Whereas when you are talking about top forwards - a $7-8 million forward is going to score 30-70% more than most $4 million forwards. And their performance is going to be more consistent from year-to-year as well.

So the formula shift is simple - why spend big money on the goalie, a position that is wildly unpredictable and only marginally different from top to bottom, when you can spend big money on forwards and d-men, positions that are largely predictable and significantly different from top to bottom.

 

[elocomotive]

Oh, by the way, don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge Henrik one bit for getting his big payday. My point is when the next lockout rolls around (and it will), some fans will rush to the owners side and Bettman (if he still is commish) will trot out the same lines he's used time and time again (we are paying the players way too much money) and fundamental economics no longer work in the NHL and they'll take another slice from the players after losing more regular season games.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Me either. The guy is playing with Flacco money now.

 

[awaz]

When those guys start winning playoff series let me know.....

when hank starts winning playoff series' let me know

slap hands?

 

[elocomotive]

when hank starts winning playoff series' let me know

slap hands?

Hi five! Very nice!

 

[forty_three]

I think the money is pretty bad as well. $8.5 million is quite a cap hit for a goalie.

I'm a member of the goalie union, so I am never going to say any goalie is not "worth it". No problem at all with Lundqvist grabbing some pennies.