Cowboys will be $31M over cap

[j_y19]

No need to whistle. As the old saying goes....Scoreboard!....Now, all time, Winning percentage, division crowns, Super Bowls, current record, the game a couple of weeks ago, the Cowboys banner hanging here for a week. No need to whistle when theres nothing to fear

Wow, two examples in one post. This is called deflection. Let's bring up another topic to deflect the real issue of the thread. Nice try uk......living in the past much?

 

[Sharkinva]

Bottom line.... When almost 20% of your roster would cost more to cut than to keep its poor cap management. When you hold onto guys and have to hope they will even get well enough to take a snap because cutting them would cost more than simply holding them, its bad cap management. When you give guys a new deal knowing that you will likely have to rework that deal next year....

Say it with me

Its BAD Cap Management!!!


Addendum.... When 10-20% of your cap is dedicated to dead money... Well you know what Im going to say at this point.

 

[fordman84]

Bottom line.... When almost 20% of your roster would cost more to cut than to keep its poor cap management. When you hold onto guys and have to hope they will even get well enough to take a snap because cutting them would cost more than simply holding them, its bad cap management. When you give guys a new deal knowing that you will likely have to rework that deal next year....

Say it with me

Its BAD Cap Management!!!


Addendum.... When 10-20% of your cap is dedicated to dead money... Well you know what Im going to say at this point.

Dallas has <10% dead cap space going into 2014 right now. I don't see a problem with hanging on to guys who were or are Pro Bowl caliber guys regardless of their cost.

And lastly, it is easy to have great cap management when your entire team is young and cheap out of necessity because of the cap hell you are finally recovering from. That isn't your current FO problem, but it isn't like the Skins have been prudent in spending this whole time. You have a cheap roster right now because you had to scrap the whole thing and start from scratch because of the crazy FA signings Danny was known for (Hi Al)

 

[Sharkinva]

Come on Ford. Right now Dallas is set to carry $11.6 million in dead money into 2014. The projected cap is $126 million next year. 10% of that is $12.6 million. So you will only carry a hair under 10%, where as this year you are carrying almost 14% in dead cap money. The problem is, you are going to push more money into future years for guys like Romo, Ware, Witten. Older players who cant possibly either play out the new deals, or live up to the contract costs. Ware is declining due to age and health. At some point, the cap catches up. The Skins took their lumps for Haynesworth and even made the hard choices in letting guys like Alexander walk instead of pushing more money into the future. So we are carrying a grand total of $117 thousand in dead money next year. And there will only be one player on our roster who is untouchable due to cap figure. Unless the cap goes up by 10-15 million in the next three years, Dallas will have no choice but to keep pushing money back, or gut the team. Shanahan intentionally gutted this team starting his first year. And we are fiscially a better team for it. I dont see Jerry doing it until he has no choice.... the Quincy Carter years ring a bell??

 

[j_y19]

Dallas has <10% dead cap space going into 2014 right now. I don't see a problem with hanging on to guys who were or are Pro Bowl caliber guys regardless of their cost.

And lastly, it is easy to have great cap management when your entire team is young and cheap out of necessity because of the cap hell you are finally recovering from. That isn't your current FO problem, but it isn't like the Skins have been prudent in spending this whole time. You have a cheap roster right now because you had to scrap the whole thing and start from scratch because of the crazy FA signings Danny was known for (Hi Al)

Fordman, you are absolutely right, we were in cap hell for years, that's why we know what it looks like. We lived the same way you guys are living now. And it's also why you guys will eventually have to go through the same thing we went through. You can't keep borrowing against the future to pay for today without it eventually coming home to bite you in the ass (unless, of course, you are the federal government). You can't restructure your way out of this forever. The only question is when. When do you guys have to regroup, cut a bunch of players, and start to rebuild? The really vexing part is the romo contract. Jerry appears to be stuck with that one for a while. The good news for him is that romo is playing better than he ever has. The bad news is, well, he's romo and he's 33 so it's highly unlikely that he will be changing much as he ages.

 

[fordman84]

Fordman, you are absolutely right, we were in cap hell for years, that's why we know what it looks like. We lived the same way you guys are living now. And it's also why you guys will eventually have to go through the same thing we went through. You can't keep borrowing against the future to pay for today without it eventually coming home to bite you in the ass (unless, of course, you are the federal government). You can't restructure your way out of this forever. The only question is when. When do you guys have to regroup, cut a bunch of players, and start to rebuild? The really vexing part is the romo contract. Jerry appears to be stuck with that one for a while. The good news for him is that romo is playing better than he ever has. The bad news is, well, he's romo and he's 33 so it's highly unlikely that he will be changing much as he ages.

If you look at the cap hell, it is really only Romo that is an issue. Carr, Claiborne, Lee, and Frederick are the only other ones that would really hurt to cut loose and I don't see any of them going anywhere except for maybe Carr or a major injury happens. I never like the Ratliff deal and it is biting us in teh butt now. Other than that, there isn't much of an issue. We have about $5M in dead money after Rat and some of those were stupid problems and some of them are bad luck.

Tyron and Dez are due for new contracts after 2014. There will need to be money made for them. However, starting in 2015 Romo's contract becomes pretty decent. Dallas can cut Romo after 2014, as his contract is built right now, and clear cap space. His would be a contract I wouldn't work on to clear space, because it works great for cap space if Romo takes a dive in a couple of years. Ware has a very positive contract after this year as well. If the absolute worst happened, he could be moved for a good pick and a lot of cap space. That would suck, but it is a very fast cap fix.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

That isn't your current FO problem, but it isn't like the Skins have been prudent in spending this whole time.

Please elaborate. Over the last 3-4 years what exactly have the Redskins done that has not "been prudent" in the spending area? As matter of fact Bruce Allen was primarily brought in to help correct this area, and I don't recall Snyder being involved in a personnel decision in several years.

The only real mistake in this area IMO was the initial McNabb trade, and Shanahan pretty much admitted he panicked on that one. Beyond that - I don't see them overpaying for players or going overboard in restructuring contracts.

 

[j_y19]

Please elaborate. Over the last 3-4 years what exactly have the Redskins done that has not "been prudent" in the spending area? As matter of fact Bruce Allen was primarily brought in to help correct this area, and I don't recall Snyder being involved in a personnel decision in several years.

The only real mistake in this area IMO was the initial McNabb trade, and Shanahan pretty much admitted he panicked on that one. Beyond that - I don't see them overpaying for players or going overboard in restructuring contracts.

They made one more mistake. They re signed Jamal brown after he was injured. Fortunately we got out of a bunch of that contract through an injury settlement.

That's not too bad for 4 years of player signings. We have been very prudent since the new FO has taken over. We have resisted the urge to partake in the high price FA sweep stakes, knowing that we would have to restructure contacts for players like moss, fletcher, hall, and extend them for a few more years. They are all at, or near, the end of their careers and we owe them nothing. If we want them back next year, we sign them to another 1 year deal. In the past, they would have been restructured and extended for years so we could sign the likes of a Carr or a Talib to their own hefty contracts. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have either of those players on my team, just not at the expense of owing Moss $15M for the next 4 years when we need to replace him next year. We finally have a management team that has a longer term view in mind, and that is to win Super Bowls, not just divisions. It's not going to happen this year, but we are only a few piece parts away from becoming consistently very good. And thanks to the prudent fiscal management of our FO, we will have the money next year to start filling many of those pieces without mortgaging the future.

 

[Sharkinva]

If you look at the cap hell, it is really only Romo that is an issue. Carr, Claiborne, Lee, and Frederick are the only other ones that would really hurt to cut loose and I don't see any of them going anywhere except for maybe Carr or a major injury happens. I never like the Ratliff deal and it is biting us in teh butt now. Other than that, there isn't much of an issue. We have about $5M in dead money after Rat and some of those were stupid problems and some of them are bad luck.

Tyron and Dez are due for new contracts after 2014. There will need to be money made for them. However, starting in 2015 Romo's contract becomes pretty decent. Dallas can cut Romo after 2014, as his contract is built right now, and clear cap space. His would be a contract I wouldn't work on to clear space, because it works great for cap space if Romo takes a dive in a couple of years. Ware has a very positive contract after this year as well. If the absolute worst happened, he could be moved for a good pick and a lot of cap space. That would suck, but it is a very fast cap fix.

Actually you have about $11.6 million in dead money.

» Over the Cap- Dallas Cowboys 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

IM just pointing it out for ya

 

[fordman84]

Actually you have about $11.6 million in dead money.

» Over the Cap- Dallas Cowboys 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

IM just pointing it out for ya

and a majority of that ratliff like I talked about and then bad luck or a few bad decisions. It isn't one guy at 11M, it is a bunch of little guys we tried to plug in and couldn't.

 

[fordman84]

Please elaborate. Over the last 3-4 years what exactly have the Redskins done that has not "been prudent" in the spending area? As matter of fact Bruce Allen was primarily brought in to help correct this area, and I don't recall Snyder being involved in a personnel decision in several years.

The only real mistake in this area IMO was the initial McNabb trade, and Shanahan pretty much admitted he panicked on that one. Beyond that - I don't see them overpaying for players or going overboard in restructuring contracts.

I'm talking about the years prior to the current FO, when bad players were signed to bad contracts. Then the whole thing had to have the reset button pushed about 4 years ago when Allen and Co came in. Since then things have run great, out of necessity because you couldn't sign top FA's immediately as dead cap space burned off. Now you guys have cap space, and a lack of draft picks, so you will be players in FA again. Question is will you be smart and lucky, or will you overpay out of need or pay for someone who turns around and mails it in or gets hurt?

 

[Sharkinva]

and a majority of that ratliff like I talked about and then bad luck or a few bad decisions. It isn't one guy at 11M, it is a bunch of little guys we tried to plug in and couldn't.

Again you miss the point. $11.6 million in dead money, and another $134 million owed to players on the roster is a cool $145 million or so against a cap that looks to be about $126 million. So you will have to rework just to get UNDER the cap, and rework even heavier to actually make any moves. That means pushing more money into the future, and most of the guys you can do it with are already getting paid really well.


All Dallas is doing is maxing out the Visa to pay the Master Card bill.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'm talking about the years prior to the current FO, when bad players were signed to bad contracts. Then the whole thing had to have the reset button pushed about 4 years ago when Allen and Co came in. Since then things have run great, out of necessity because you couldn't sign top FA's immediately as dead cap space burned off. Now you guys have cap space, and a lack of draft picks, so you will be players in FA again. Question is will you be smart and lucky, or will you overpay out of need or pay for someone who turns around and mails it in or gets hurt?

Not necessarily true - see j_y's reply above. If they wanted to they could have still made some of these moves recently. As I alluded to - Allen's specialty is working with the cap, and he appears to have done a good job. No reason to believe that they will mess it up during the next several offseasons.

Why do all of the Redskins haters have to perpetuate this myth that Snyder is still involved in the mix? You act like they are some irresponsible group that will go nuts once they have some cap space. I suppose anything is possible, but I highly doubt that will be the case. That is not the MO for either Shanahan or Allen.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm talking about the years prior to the current FO, when bad players were signed to bad contracts. Then the whole thing had to have the reset button pushed about 4 years ago when Allen and Co came in. Since then things have run great, out of necessity because you couldn't sign top FA's immediately as dead cap space burned off. Now you guys have cap space, and a lack of draft picks, so you will be players in FA again. Question is will you be smart and lucky, or will you overpay out of need or pay for someone who turns around and mails it in or gets hurt?

Actually we could have signed free agents by doing exactly what Dallas did and burying money into current players on roster to free up cap space now. But they chose not to and to actually get out from under the cap credit game.

And exactly how are we at a lack of draft picks?? We dont have a first rounder, but there are seven rounds and we still have those picks unless they all of a sudden got those stripped away.

 

[j_y19]

I'm talking about the years prior to the current FO, when bad players were signed to bad contracts. Then the whole thing had to have the reset button pushed about 4 years ago when Allen and Co came in. Since then things have run great, out of necessity because you couldn't sign top FA's immediately as dead cap space burned off. Now you guys have cap space, and a lack of draft picks, so you will be players in FA again. Question is will you be smart and lucky, or will you overpay out of need or pay for someone who turns around and mails it in or gets hurt?

Based on the success rate of Free Agents, probably a little bit of both. Honestly, I don't see us going hog wild in FA like Snyder used to do. We will probably identify 1 or 2 marquee FAs that we want and make a competitive bid. We will also probably sign 4-6 value FAs. Guys under the radar a bit. Maybe ones that have a good track record, but coming off injury, etc. Shanahan has always gone after those blue collar guys, even in his draft. He looks for the team captains, they guys in the smaller markets that don't get the usual press. He definitely won't be going after any of the divas. No more Hanesworths for us. He values the team oriented guys that can follow orders.

Of course, we have our own FAs to sign. We have like 10-12 this year. Some we will not bother with. Some will retire. But there are a few that we have to make tough decisions on. Orakpo, for one. He's a good player, but, for a variety of reasons, has never lived up to his billing as yet. If he is expecting top 5 OLB/DE money, we will probably let him walk (or franchise tag him for a year).

 

[Shenanihanigans]

Is that cowboy troll REALLY interested in talking about the divisional race, less than halfway through the season?!?!

Do these clowns EVER learn?!?!

Did you do anything with Choko?

God, you're stupid.

 

[fordman84]

Not necessarily true - see j_y's reply above. If they wanted to they could have still made some of these moves recently. As I alluded to - Allen's specialty is working with the cap, and he appears to have done a good job. No reason to believe that they will mess it up during the next several offseasons.

Why do all of the Redskins haters have to perpetuate this myth that Snyder is still involved in the mix? You act like they are some irresponsible group that will go nuts once they have some cap space. I suppose anything is possible, but I highly doubt that will be the case. That is not the MO for either Shanahan or Allen.

Where did I do that? Why do all skins posters flip out and start throwing out BS whenever someone not sporting a skins icon show up to post?

 

[Kevin12773]

Romo will be a Hall of Famer. RG will be Vince Young

You hope cowboy. Comparing him to young is like comparing romo to Dave Kreig.

 

[Kevin12773]

Or better yet Steve DeBerg

 

[Kevin12773]

Where did I do that? Why do all skins posters flip out and start throwing out BS whenever someone not sporting a skins icon show up to post?

I don't think anyone is flipping out Fordman but if the script was flipped and the skins were in a cap bind like Dallas is/will be I'd only imagine what would be posted.