Thurmond or Browner ?

[Screamin12th]

little copy and paste from an article.

Browner take a seat: Cornerback Brandon Browner was having a hard time covering Tennessee receiver Kendall Wright in the first half, so the coaches took him out of the game and inserted Walter Thurmond, who started the first two games this season when Browner had a hamstring injury. “We just gave [Browner] a break,” Carroll said. “They were going after him. We have plenty of guys to play and I wanted to make sure we were fresh. I had a chance to talk to [Browner] about some of the stuff that was going on in the first half. I just told him we were going to go with the other guys for a little bit. Brandon is an excellent football player. He did a nice job in the second half.”

As we saw once Browner was taken out the defense held Wright in check a little better. Is it time to insert Thurmond into the starting line-up or do we just use Thurmond more liberally in games. He is a more talented, quicker and faster CB than Browner but not as strong. What is your take on this situation? is it time to replace Browner and move on to the younger guy or pick and choose when and where to use Thurmond/Browner?

 

[Mr. Tacoma]

He has been burned a few times this season but I don't know if it's necessarily "time". He is expendable compared to the rest of our starting secondary though. That being said I'm sure we can keep him for relatively cheap if an upgrade isn't immediately available this off-season. It's not like he's bad, just not as good as the rest.

 

[Screamin12th]

He has been burned a few times this season but I don't know if it's necessarily "time". He is expendable compared to the rest of our starting secondary though. That being said I'm sure we can keep him for relatively cheap if an upgrade isn't immediately available this off-season. It's not like he's bad, just not as good as the rest.

If you ask Me Thurmond is and upgrade and he is ON the team all ready. Thurmond was being groomed to take over for Tru but kept getting injured and that opened the door for Sherman. If the Hawks do go away from Browner again Thurmond is a starter quality CB and i wouldn't lose sleep over it at all.

 

[Banned 10x]

little copy and paste from an article.

Browner take a seat: Cornerback Brandon Browner was having a hard time covering Tennessee receiver Kendall Wright in the first half, so the coaches took him out of the game and inserted Walter Thurmond, who started the first two games this season when Browner had a hamstring injury. “We just gave [Browner] a break,” Carroll said. “They were going after him. We have plenty of guys to play and I wanted to make sure we were fresh. I had a chance to talk to [Browner] about some of the stuff that was going on in the first half. I just told him we were going to go with the other guys for a little bit. Brandon is an excellent football player. He did a nice job in the second half.”

As we saw once Browner was taken out the defense held Wright in check a little better. Is it time to insert Thurmond into the starting line-up or do we just use Thurmond more liberally in games. He is a more talented, quicker and faster CB than Browner but not as strong. What is your take on this situation? is it time to replace Browner and move on to the younger guy or pick and choose when and where to use Thurmond/Browner?

I'm all for moving Thurmond into that spot now, Browner is the weak link imo.

 

[STBR 27]

Screaming, whatever article you are quoting is not accurate. Thurmond plays the slot receivers and is a starter currently. Maxwell was the one that came in to replace Browner on the outside. The whole key is that Browner has to get his hands on receivers at the line of scrimmage and disrupt their route, if he doesn't, he will get beat. Is it time for a change? Probably not, but Browner should be on a short leash from here on out and Maxwell should keep warm and might be coming back in at any time.

 

[Screamin12th]

Screaming, whatever article you are quoting is not accurate. Thurmond plays the slot receivers and is a starter currently. Maxwell was the one that came in to replace Browner on the outside. The whole key is that Browner has to get his hands on receivers at the line of scrimmage and disrupt their route, if he doesn't, he will get beat. Is it time for a change? Probably not, but Browner should be on a short leash from here on out and Maxwell should keep warm and might be coming back in at any time.

what i saw was Thurmond take over at CB in the base defense and slide over the slot in the nickle and Maxwell would come in.

 

[octagondd]

Part of the issue is the CBs usually play a certain side, so teams have been putting hteir quicker players on Browners side to avoid Sherman and because Browner has a problem with the shiftier, quicker guys. I don't know much about Defense or why the CBs stick to their side, but it would seem Sherman on the quicker player would be better and have Browner on a bigger guy. I am guessing the CBs stay to their side because they have the most experience and ability to work that side of the field, so it is faster and more instictive to turn the hips a certain way or their stronger hand is in a better position to pass defend or whatever.

 

[dude82]

Part of the issue is the CBs usually play a certain side, so teams have been putting hteir quicker players on Browners side to avoid Sherman and because Browner has a problem with the shiftier, quicker guys. I don't know much about Defense or why the CBs stick to their side, but it would seem Sherman on the quicker player would be better and have Browner on a bigger guy. I am guessing the CBs stay to their side because they have the most experience and ability to work that side of the field, so it is faster and more instictive to turn the hips a certain way or their stronger hand is in a better position to pass defend or whatever.

That's just the way the defense is constructed from what I've read. Sherman had to ask to be allowed to follow a receiver around (can't remember who it was) because it was a match-up he thought he could exploit (he did).

As far as keeping Browner vs. letting him go is concerned... I'm sure that decision rests partly on whether Thurmond can stay healthy and partly on what kind of cash Browner is looking for. Another factor is whether Browner finds a team willing to make him their Richard Sherman. If he feels like the second banana here, he might look to go somewhere else. A lot of things will factor in here.

 

[PistolHawk]

I think it needs to be situational. I've seen multiple teams attack browner over the last few weeks. Our coaches need to be willing to play the match up. If you have a bigger, more physical receiving group, put in Browner. If you have faster, shiftier receivers who run good routes, let Thurmond and Maxwell have their chance. Thurmond and Maxwell have proved that they deserve the chance to show what they can do...so if Browner is getting beat, put one of them in.

 

[WizardHawk]

That's just the way the defense is constructed from what I've read. Sherman had to ask to be allowed to follow a receiver around (can't remember who it was) because it was a match-up he thought he could exploit (he did).

As far as keeping Browner vs. letting him go is concerned... I'm sure that decision rests partly on whether Thurmond can stay healthy and partly on what kind of cash Browner is looking for. Another factor is whether Browner finds a team willing to make him their Richard Sherman. If he feels like the second banana here, he might look to go somewhere else. A lot of things will factor in here.

You are correct. Sherman asked to be put on Boldin in the SF game and just flat out smoked him. He did follow him around no matter where he was and was so far in his head he should have been charged rent.

Who knows if Browner is just not back up to speed after his injury or if it is more about the speed guys going his way, but either way you need him down the stretch if you want to make a run at the ring. You need every healthy able bodied athlete you can get. I'd be in favor of starting Maxwell and just subbing in Browner to give him a chance at earning it back and to keep him engaged.

Carroll will get all of that fixed I'm sure. You just can't risk making him worse by also taking away his confidence. I'm sure they will find a way.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

If you ask Me Thurmond is and upgrade and he is ON the team all ready. Thurmond was being groomed to take over for Tru but kept getting injured and that opened the door for Sherman. If the Hawks do go away from Browner again Thurmond is a starter quality CB and i wouldn't lose sleep over it at all.

Thurmond can ball... He's good... I'm not worried one bit... Browner is a physical guy though and he's someone that we need, but right now it's very possible he's just not 100 percent...

 

[dude82]

If Browner isn't 100% and it is causing him to get beat repeatedly, then he doesn't need to be out there until he is 100% again (or as close to 100% as a player can be 6 weeks into a season). Carroll benched him for an entire quarter yesterday and I have to think he won't be shy about doing it again if Browner gets beat a few times early against the Cardinals. If the hammy is still bothering him, then Thurmond should start until it isn't anymore.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

If Browner isn't 100% and it is causing him to get beat repeatedly, then he doesn't need to be out there until he is 100% again (or as close to 100% as a player can be 6 weeks into a season). Carroll benched him for an entire quarter yesterday and I have to think he won't be shy about doing it again if Browner gets beat a few times early against the Cardinals. If the hammy is still bothering him, then Thurmond should start until it isn't anymore.

Agreed...

 

[NinerSickness]

Has Browner ever played safety? Like in college maybe?

 

[blstoker]

Has Browner ever played safety? Like in college maybe?

Not as far as I know, but I've been thinking that he'll be making the move to safety sooner or later.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Yes Thurmond has played well but I get the impression a lot of you seem to forget the fact that Thurmond is one of the most injury prone players on this team.

In college with the Ducks, at times he looked like a possible first round talent but did not go until the 4th round to the Seahawks due to injury concerns, rightfully so. Since Thurmond came to Seattle he has had injury, after injury, after injury.

A lot of you who were not around prior to 2012 don't realize this.

Before tossing Browner aside for Thurmond you might want to consider the fact that Thurmond has never played an entire season with the Seahawks without at least one injury, which is extremely concerning.

Be careful what you wish for.

Browner will likely continue to struggle against the smaller/quicker WRs but he is as good as it gets against the WRs who are bigger and more physical. When you're as big as Browner is you're not going to be able to change directions as quickly a Kendall Wright or Cecil Shorts.

IMO despite the few times he has been burned Browner has been solid. If you want to replace him with Thurmond, that's your opinion, just be careful what you wish for because Thurmond is quite possibly the most injury prone player on our roster.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Not as far as I know, but I've been thinking that he'll be making the move to safety sooner or later.

I don't know, one of his greatest strengths is his ability in press. You put him at safety and you lose that.

Plus if you move him to safety you create a lot of problems.

Who loses playing time? Earl Thomas or Kam Chancellor?

You could move Chancellor to linebacker but then that creates more problems. Chancellor at linebacker means you have to (likely) send Bruce Irvin back to the defensive line. Sending Irvin back to the defensive line means that either Clemons or Avril is going to lose playing time at LEO.

It is sort of a snowball effect. I think you're better keeping Browner where he is and just matching him up against the other team's most physical player.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I don't know, one of his greatest strengths is his ability in press. You put him at safety and you lose that.

Plus if you move him to safety you create a lot of problems.

Who loses playing time? Earl Thomas or Kam Chancellor?

You could move Chancellor to linebacker but then that creates more problems. Chancellor at linebacker means you have to (likely) send Bruce Irvin back to the defensive line. Sending Irvin back to the defensive line means that either Clemons or Avril is going to lose playing time at LEO.

It is sort of a snowball effect. I think you're better keeping Browner where he is and just matching him up against the other team's most physical player.

 

[blstoker]

Yes Thurmond has played well but I get the impression a lot of you seem to forget the fact that Thurmond is one of the most injury prone players on this team.

In college with the Ducks, at times he looked like a possible first round talent but did not go until the 4th round to the Seahawks due to injury concerns, rightfully so. Since Thurmond came to Seattle he has had injury, after injury, after injury.

A lot of you who were not around prior to 2012 don't realize this.

Before tossing Browner aside for Thurmond you might want to consider the fact that Thurmond has never played an entire season with the Seahawks without at least one injury, which is extremely concerning.

Be careful what you wish for.

Browner will likely continue to struggle against the smaller/quicker WRs but he is as good as it gets against the WRs who are bigger and more physical. When you're as big as Browner is you're not going to be able to change directions as quickly a Kendall Wright or Cecil Shorts.

IMO despite the few times he has been burned Browner has been solid. If you want to replace him with Thurmond, that's your opinion, just be careful what you wish for because Thurmond is quite possibly the most injury prone player on our roster.

Well said. Sometimes the coaches need to put their players into positions for them to succeed. The defense has as much to do with the matchups as the offense does. IMO, when the Saints come into town, instead of a LB, move Browner around with Jimmy Graham (he lines up as a WR 60% of the time). Small speed guys can be an issue with Browner, but there are few better at getting their hands into the play, and the team has benefited from that a lot.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Well said. Sometimes the coaches need to put their players into positions for them to succeed. The defense has as much to do with the matchups as the offense does. IMO, when the Saints come into town, instead of a LB, move Browner around with Jimmy Graham (he lines up as a WR 60% of the time). Small speed guys can be an issue with Browner, but there are few better at getting their hands into the play, and the team has benefited from that a lot.

That is actually pretty good thinking. The Saints do use Graham as a WR a lot but I feel like that is a matchup that Browner would really succeed in.

I feel like his biggest problem is changing directions with these smaller/quicker more agile WRs, which is difficult for someone of his size to do. Put him up against someone else his own size and I think he will play well.

I think Browner's struggles are things that can be worked out in substitutions like that. But if it really is the hamstring still bothering him he should not be playing.