Cousins trade

[RoboticDreams]

So you want to trade away your security blanket. WHEN RGIII gets hurt again, what viable option do you have for a backup? We traded a proven player in Alex Smith. If Kaepernick goes down, yeah, it's Colt McCoy time.

 

[j_y19]

So you want to trade away your security blanket. WHEN RGIII gets hurt again, what viable option do you have for a backup? We traded a proven player in Alex Smith. If Kaepernick goes down, yeah, it's Colt McCoy time.

Dude, with our OL, Cousins doesn't stand a chance to be successful. If RG3 goes down, its a lost cause anyway. Neither does Morris. Hell, if we don't fill some holes, it doesn't make any difference who our QB is.

So you would rather have a security blanket at QB and be a 4-6 win team as opposed to taking the chance with RG3's health, fill some holes, become a regular contender and run the risk that if RG3 gets hurt that we may suffer in that season alone. I'll take the chance with the upside of when RG3 is healthy, we can contend. Right now, even with RG3 coming back into form, we can't contend. Last year was a fluke, our defense, while they played great last night, is still very poor. Our STs suck. And our offensive line cannot pass block. Until we fix these other issues or we can get Cousins to block for RG3, we will not win consistently. We need his slot.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Dude, with our OL, Cousins doesn't stand a chance to be successful. If RG3 goes down, its a lost cause anyway. Neither does Morris. Hell, if we don't fill some holes, it doesn't make any difference who our QB is.

So you would rather have a security blanket at QB and be a 4-6 win team as opposed to taking the chance with RG3's health, fill some holes, become a regular contender and run the risk that if RG3 gets hurt that we may suffer in that season alone. I'll take the chance with the upside of when RG3 is healthy, we can contend. Right now, even with RG3 coming back into form, we can't contend. Last year was a fluke, our defense, while they played great last night, is still very poor. Our STs suck. And our offensive line cannot pass block. Until we fix these other issues or we can get Cousins to block for RG3, we will not win consistently. We need his slot.

Is your OL worse than last years? I am asking an honest question because I don't know. What I do know is, Cousins came in last year and played well, behind the same offensive line as RGIII. I understand your point but I don't agree with it. Your owner is the reason you are in this position to begin with.

 

[j_y19]

Is your OL worse than last years? I am asking an honest question because I don't know. What I do know is, Cousins came in last year and played well, behind the same offensive line as RGIII. I understand your point but I don't agree with it. Your owner is the reason you are in this position to begin with.

Yes, our OL is playing worse than last year. Actually, what has happened is defenses have figured out our weakness. All they have to do is apply extra pressure right up the middle. Our Center and guards are not very strong and cannot withstand the bull rush. Thus, the pocket collapses. In an attempt to protect RG3's health, we have not been using him the same way as last year. We are keeping him in the pocket much more. As the pocket collapses, he cannot step up. SInce he is not experienced as a pocket passer, he does not handle this situation great. He either hangs onto the ball or forces a throw into a disguised coverage. Typical young QB mistake that Cousins will also make.

You can't compare last year to this year in that defenses have figured out how to play our offense and where our weaknesses are. To beat our offense, focus on stopping Morris and bull rushing up the middle with blitzes on obvious pass plays. We have yet to counter this scheme.

And yes, our owner is major part of why we are where we are. We are still feeling the affects of piss poor front office management for the first decade of his ownership.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Is your OL worse than last years? I am asking an honest question because I don't know. What I do know is, Cousins came in last year and played well, behind the same offensive line as RGIII. I understand your point but I don't agree with it. Your owner is the reason you are in this position to begin with.

Let's not overstate the situation. Cousins played well for a series against the Ravens & one game against the Browns. He had mixed results in his limited time against the Falcons. You can't just assume that he will do well for several of the reasons pointed out in this thread.

There have been tons of QBs who look good in limited duty that come back down to earth when asked to do more (e.g. Matt Flynn).

Anyhow - the Redskins have lots of problems that need to be addressed. I am against a trade of Cousins in-season but would certainly not be against it during the offseason given the right price.

Also - confused about your Snyder comment. I actually give him props for how he has handled things during the last 3-4 years. He has basically stayed out of personnel matters - as he should - during that time. Not sure how you blame everything on him. Sounds like a pretty uneducated comment to me.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

no don't trade Cousin, in fact i'd be half way tempted to start him over RG3 right now. It's not like RG3 is playing great, teams have caught on to the read option and RG3 is throwing the ball like shit. Some of those throws he made last night were worse than some of Tebow's throws. Plus RG3 isn't going through his reads, he just lock onto one WR and lets it rip.

 

[j_y19]

So cal, not sure if your comments were directed toward my post or not, but I don't blame snyder solely for our predicament, but he dug us a pretty deep hole for 10 years that we are still trying to climb out of. And lets be honest, our cap penalty, while probably unwarranted and unfair, was a risk that he and the front office took fully aware of the potential ramifications. THey mis read the situation and we got burned. It was a miscalculation that has delayed our return to competitiveness. I will give him props that he has not meddled any where near as much as he did during his first decade of ownership. Let's just hope it stays that way with any new coach he may bring in.

 

[JDM]

no don't trade Cousin, in fact i'd be half way tempted to start him over RG3 right now. It's not like RG3 is playing great, teams have caught on to the read option and RG3 is throwing the ball like shit. Some of those throws he made last night were worse than some of Tebow's throws. Plus RG3 isn't going through his reads, he just lock onto one WR and lets it rip.

Then you're fucking retarded.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Let's not overstate the situation. Cousins played well for a series against the Ravens & one game against the Browns. He had mixed results in his limited time against the Falcons. You can't just assume that he will do well for several of the reasons pointed out in this thread.

There have been tons of QBs who look good in limited duty that come back down to earth when asked to do more (e.g. Matt Flynn).

Anyhow - the Redskins have lots of problems that need to be addressed. I am against a trade of Cousins in-season but would certainly not be against it during the offseason given the right price.

Also - confused about your Snyder comment. I actually give him props for how he has handled things during the last 3-4 years. He has basically stayed out of personnel matters - as he should - during that time. Not sure how you blame everything on him. Sounds like a pretty uneducated comment to me.

Apparently you have comprehension issues. What talent is around your injury riddled QB? I have never heard a single person defend Snyder until now. Wow, just wow. I know more about your team than you do.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

So cal, not sure if your comments were directed toward my post or not, but I don't blame snyder solely for our predicament, but he dug us a pretty deep hole for 10 years that we are still trying to climb out of. And lets be honest, our cap penalty, while probably unwarranted and unfair, was a risk that he and the front office took fully aware of the potential ramifications. THey mis read the situation and we got burned. It was a miscalculation that has delayed our return to competitiveness. I will give him props that he has not meddled any where near as much as he did during his first decade of ownership. Let's just hope it stays that way with any new coach he may bring in.

No - it was not directed towards you. It was directed towards Robotic Dreams who made this comment;

Your owner is the reason you are in this position to begin with.

I can agree with your points above, but the past is the past & you can't change it. I probably would have done the same thing Snyder and co. did in 2010 regarding the cap. It amazes me that the NFL is allowed to basically break the law without any consequences. How are you allowed to legally pay people under the table? If this was some local construction firm this would probably not be allowed. Just another sign of the outright corruption of our govt.

Otherwise - I believe that Snyder has been really good the last several years. Yes - he made huge mistakes prior to that, but you have to give someone credit for basically admitting they screwed up & subsequently changing their ways.

 

[mcro_rave_2001]

Then you're fucking retarded.

good retort, I can always expect you to come up with good arguments....go play in the highway.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Apparently you have comprehension issues. What talent is around your injury riddled QB? I have never heard a single person defend Snyder until now. Wow, just wow. I know more about your team than you do.

No you don't. You are just simply another sheep who listens to everything you hear from sources like ESPN. I know this team pretty well.

Like I said - Snyder screwed up in the past, but he has stayed away from personnel decisions in the recent past - that is why I give him props. They have made some progress but this has been stalled in no minor part to two offseasons of cap sanctions. Take those away & it would be a somewhat different story.

As I mentioned in my reply to jy - I would probably have done the same thing that Snyder, Allen & co did regarding the 2010 cap situation. How can the NFL claim to have an uncapped year & then penalize a team (much, much later) for going over the cap? The Skins checked with both the NFL & the NFLPA prior to making these moves & were not told it would be an issue. Only years later when that POS Mara decided that he wanted to keep them down was the penalty administered.

Oh well - I guess the NFL can make the rules as they go along. Doesn't matter - they need to move forward & make some more changes over the offseason & again I will happy convinced that Snyder will stay out of those moves for the most part.

Now move along - I think that you have to go watch "First Take" or "PTI" to get some more of your "facts".

HTTR

 

[JDM]

good retort, I can always expect you to come up with good arguments....go play in the highway.

Not every claim is worth legitimate discussion. That one's not even close.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Trade Cousins NOW while we there are at least 5 teams who need a qb. Even if RG3 goes down (knock on wood) I don't see Cousins stepping in and winning us the division so what's the point of having him then. Grossman can step in and play like crap and we still wont make the playoffs as well but we will at least have a draft pick for Cousins which should be a higher pick now when teams are in need compared to when they can address it during FA. A security blanket or quality backup is only good when the other roster spots are solid which they obviously aren't. I wouldn't start Cousins now because you risk him getting hurt behind our shaky line then we have no trade bait and we just shook RG3's confidence in his coaches.

 

[gkekoa]

I'd trade Cousins in a heart beat for a 2nd and a conditional pick (up to a 1st rounder in 2015).

While I expect a starter in the second, you can't guarantee any production. Cousins is not our future and in two years he will be gone. He's not going to resign in Washington knowing he won't have a chance to start.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Would you trade him for a 3rd because that's what most people are saying we will get for him?

 

[j_y19]

It depends on where the 3rd is in the draft order and who we projected to be on the board at that point. That might be a tough one.

BTW, I don't know who most people are, but I've seen serious analysts say that he could land a high second. Gruden himself said he would trade for him and would consider a first. I don't see that, unless he gets significant time this year and does well.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I can't think of a single reason to trade Cousins at this point in the season. End of the season? Maybe. I say get rid of REX for a roster spot on any one of the positions we need help at.

 

[Ritzarmy]

I can't think of a single reason to trade Cousins at this point in the season. End of the season? Maybe. I say get rid of REX for a roster spot on any one of the positions we need help at.

I can think of 3 reasons to trade Cousins now
1) We need extra picks to fill holes we can't address in FA
2) How is he helping the team on the bench (not his fault)
3) Trade now because team(s) need a QB NOW. After the season his trade value decreases.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I can think of 3 reasons to trade Cousins now
1) We need extra picks to fill holes we can't address in FA
2) How is he helping the team on the bench (not his fault)
3) Trade now because team(s) need a QB NOW. After the season his trade value decreases.

And my response is

1) better off seeing what some other players we currently have on the roster that can contribute and are not being used. Can they be developed? With injuries, it's next man up. With 11 games to go, who knows who will step up or how this team will look down the stretch.

2) he helps because he is a better option than Rex, who needs to go..., every team needs 2 decent QBs in today's NFL.

3) I can see your point here, I suppose if it was a super high draft pick, like a high 2 or 1, you'd have to consider it at least.