O.J. Mayo to the Bucks

[Tubbs1518]

I don't really see how this is a bad signing. Mayo is a good player. Last year in Dallas he quietly put up 15 ppg, 4.5 assists, 3.5 rebounds while shooting 45% from the field, 41% from the 3 point line and 82% from the line. Those are all slightly up from his career average. Plus he is only 25 and doesn't really seem to have a bad attittude.

 

[Nooone]

The sad thing is, Larry Sanders would be a really fun piece to build around without those guards.

This is my point! Henson showed great potential too last year for his limited minutes. Add in what Tobias Harris showed he can do after he finally got minutes in Orlando and you have yourself a REALLY GOOD front line with Tobias, Sanders, Ersan and Henson (assuming development and adding strength which reports are he has been doing this summer).

Play the young guys add a few solid guards (could've drafted one in this last draft) and that is a really fun team. But over the past year or so they have been making idiotic moves (more than normal). AKA trading away a future starter for 3 months of jj redick

 

[Tubbs1518]

Did they resign Jennings?

 

[tlance]

I don't really see how this is a bad signing. Mayo is a good player. Last year in Dallas he quietly put up 15 ppg, 4.5 assists, 3.5 rebounds while shooting 45% from the field, 41% from the 3 point line and 82% from the line. Those are all slightly up from his career average. Plus he is only 25 and doesn't really seem to have a bad attittude.

That is why it is bad Tubbs. You don't win in the NBA with good players. You need at least 1 great 1. Mayo and Jennings more or less make it impossible to get a great one.

 

[Tubbs1518]

That is why it is bad Tubbs. You don't win in the NBA with good players. You need at least 1 great 1. Mayo and Jennings more or less make it impossible to get a great one.

What does Jennings contract look like? Is it just the 1 year qualifying offer Hoopshype is showing?

 

[Nooone]

This is how the last year would have gone different for me if I was the bucks.

Bench Mbah a Moute. He is good, but a known commodity. not a difference maker on a bad team. That opens up playing time for Henson, Harris and Udoh on the front line (big mins obviously go to ersan and sanders at 4 and 5)

So you play dunleavy off the bench with harris as the starter at SF. This is what bothers me the most about that dumbass trade, they didn't even know what they had in a 20 yr old harris because they were busy play Luc Richard Mbah a Moute! SO DUMB.

Anyways the guards would have been the same. Doron Lamb, Jennings, Ellis, Udrih. The team probably would have finished the same regardless of the trade for redick.

So then this offseason. Jennings. Gone. Ellis, Get the fuck out.

*Disclaimer who knows if what happened, id assume Washington pulled out. So ignore this part if you want to say its unrealistic. But the rumours were there.

THere were rumors of Ilyasova for #3 I think. Make that happen in a heartbeat. Draft McLemore, Caldwell-Pope or Burke (any of them would have been fine with me).

Even if they hadn't been able to pull that off they good have grabbed a guy like Larkin and I'd have been happy.

Then sign Mayo (like they did) and either Jarret Jack and/or Devin Harris to short cheap deals.

Suddenly you have a team that looks like this:

PG: Jack and/or Harris and Drafted Guard
SG: Mayo and Doron Lamb and Drafted Guard
SF: Tobias Harris
PF: Henson, Udoh, Gooden (maybe ilyasova still depending on that trade)
C: Sanders, Udoh, Dalembert

Obviously you need to fill in a SF, but they have plenty of cap space for that right now. Amnesty gooden absurd contract and you have even more.

Now that team isn't gonna win a championship anytime soon, but they have 4 VERY bright young players with OJ Mayo who still could improve to become a pretty good player. And they could compete along the way. Solid/deep/young front line. Guards who can make plays but aren't VOLUME players and a young guard from the draft waiting to take up the reigns.

Future could be bright in Milwaukee...

 

[Nooone]

That is why it is bad Tubbs. You don't win in the NBA with good players. You need at least 1 great 1. Mayo and Jennings more or less make it impossible to get a great one.

exactly. its a recipe for mediocrity. unless you hit big in a few drafts. they need to use the Indiana/OKC/Memphis models

 

[Tubbs1518]

I don't agree they will be stuck in mediocrity. I agree they need to hit a draft, but I think have a really good young core to build around. Jennings IMO is a really good young player. He averages about 1 ppg less, 1 assist less and 1 turnover less per game than John Wall. Jennings doesn't shoot quite as well, but that is because he shoots about 5 more 3's per game than Wall. If you get him some other scorers on that team that number will come down. Jennings is still only 23 and has a lot of room to grow. I see no reason you would want to get rid of him if his asking price is reasonable.

Mayo is a really good role player and isn't too expensive. He can score in bunches if needed but doesn't have to score. He shoots a pretty good % and does everything else fairly well. He can pass, he rebounds ok, plus he isn't a liability on the defensive end. Exactly the type of player you want on your team.

The 3 is the position they need to upgrade and get that superstar at. Now I know that is easier said than done. Whether that be through the draft or through FA after this year I'm not sure. I don't think Milwaukee will be bad enough to get Wiggins or Parker. James McAdoo is a guy who might fall to your range who I think had a ton of upside. As far as FA goes they could get a guy like Deng to plug in. I don't think they can pull a guy like Carmello to Milwaukee.

At the 4 you have Henson and Ilyasova. Neither are superstars but both have high upside in different areas. Ily can shoot and put up some points. Henson is more of a defensive and rebounding presence but still has some offensive upside. He has a decent mid range shot and a nice hook shot. The only problem is both are really really skinny.

Larry Sanders has a lot of potential and could the closest thing to a superstar they have with Jennings. He is already a defensive presence. Shooting 50% but can he keep that up if he has to shoot more? His % needs to be up around 55% or so. But you have to like what he is showing as a player. Then as a backup they have Udoh to be the backup. While he isn't great, he is a big body. But for that price he needs to step it up this year or I'd get rid of him.

Amnesty Drew Gooden and get rid of that 7 mil contract. There are some decent guys out there. Marreese Speights is a free agent. He is a good offensive player who would compliment Sanders and Henson well. Corey Brewer is a good defensive 2 who can play the 3 when going small. Wouldn't be a bad bench guy for a good price. Tyler Hansbrough is a high energy banger at the 4 who would compliment the other 4's you guys have well. J.J. Hickson is another FA this year who has a ton of upside, but he probably wants to be a starter after averaging 13 and 10.5 in 29 minutes.

I think you have the start of a team, while not in the next 2 years might not battle with the Heat, with a couple good drafts and a FA or 2 I think they could be one of the better teams in the East.

 

[geneh_33]

Serious question. How good is Delambert? Is he any good?

 

[Nooone]

Serious question. How good is Delambert? Is he any good?

when dalembert played last year he was pretty effective. but he just didn't play a whole lot. i think he had a 20-20 or something close to that game.

Tubbs. I don't really see a need for more bigs. they are already overloaded there. It needs to be guards. and a SF (which is why they should have kept Tobias) Jennings is horribly inefficient and inconsistent. one day he'll shoot 60% then he'll shoot 30% the rest of the week. They do have some young pieces, but they need one perimeter player who can be THE guy. I just don't see that happening although Harris might have been that guy until they traded him.

 

[Nooone]

sorry it was 35 and 12 for dalembert. when he got big minutes in february he played really well.

 

[geneh_33]

when dalembert played last year he was pretty effective. but he just didn't play a whole lot. i think he had a 20-20 or something close to that game.

Tubbs. I don't really see a need for more bigs. they are already overloaded there. It needs to be guards. and a SF (which is why they should have kept Tobias) Jennings is horribly inefficient and inconsistent. one day he'll shoot 60% then he'll shoot 30% the rest of the week. They do have some young pieces, but they need one perimeter player who can be THE guy. I just don't see that happening although Harris might have been that guy until they traded him.

The Bucks should be a better team with Mayo and this is definitely a good thing.

 

[Tubbs1518]

when dalembert played last year he was pretty effective. but he just didn't play a whole lot. i think he had a 20-20 or something close to that game.

Tubbs. I don't really see a need for more bigs. they are already overloaded there. It needs to be guards. and a SF (which is why they should have kept Tobias) Jennings is horribly inefficient and inconsistent. one day he'll shoot 60% then he'll shoot 30% the rest of the week. They do have some young pieces, but they need one perimeter player who can be THE guy. I just don't see that happening although Harris might have been that guy until they traded him.

Jennings shoots 30% sometimes because he has to shoot. They don't have a ton of scorers on that team. With Mayo there and if you get a 3 that can score he won't have too. As far as bigs go, Speights is a different kind of big compared to what they have. He is a bigger body and can score. They don't really have that kind of guy down there. I think they need a 3 not a 1 or 2.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If Ellis stays somehow, they have a trio of guys that just want to shoot, shoot, shoot

 

[Tubbs1518]

If Ellis stays somehow, they have a trio of guys that just want to shoot, shoot, shoot

Who is that trio?

 

[#1BostonFan]

You lose Monte and gain OJ? The Bucks are just stupid. The 8th seed isn't a championship just so you know.

 

[Nooone]

Jennings shoots 30% sometimes because he has to shoot. They don't have a ton of scorers on that team. With Mayo there and if you get a 3 that can score he won't have too. As far as bigs go, Speights is a different kind of big compared to what they have. He is a bigger body and can score. They don't really have that kind of guy down there. I think they need a 3 not a 1 or 2.

Ellis was on the team last year and he can score that didn't change anything. I know he is a different kind of big, but they don't have enough minutes. id rather keep the minutes with henson, ilyasova and sanders as much as possible.

 

[Tubbs1518]

You lose Monte and gain OJ? The Bucks are just stupid. The 8th seed isn't a championship just so you know.

I'd take OJ over Ellis every day of the week.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Ellis was on the team last year and he can score that didn't change anything. I know he is a different kind of big, but they don't have enough minutes. id rather keep the minutes with henson, ilyasova and sanders as much as possible.

Ellis is a different type of player though. Too small to be a 2 guard which forces them to be something they shouldn't be. The Bucks were a team set up all wrong last year. I think Mayo is a better all around player than Ellis. They just need 1 more player and I think they are a really good young team. I disagree about Jennings being the problem. I think he is going to be a top 10 PG in the league.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Who is that trio?

Ellis, Jennings, Mayo