Treff's 2013 RB rankings

[wilwhite]

To go against the current, I'm lower on Lynch than everyone else. His carries dropped as Wilson developed, and what kept him valuable in the last several games is that he had lots of TDs and crazy yards per carry. Add to that, Carroll is paying attention to his workload ("There is so much wear on the tire and we don’t want to wear down now"), and Turbin is serviceable, so I think Lynch is barely top-ten.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Hey Joe! I have a small homework assignment that I have a feeling is right up yer alley. What was the per week point spread frim RB#13 to RB#25 last season? I gotta believe it wasn't too huge of a difference. Would do it myself, but gonna be swamped for the next 12hrs

Ask and ye shall receive.............not standard scoring but this system ususally ends up really close so..............1.9 pts per game............standard might be just a tad higher but that's what I got.

 

[Barilko]

RB
1. Adrian Peterson
2. Doug Martin
3. Arian Foster
4. Trent Richardson
5. Jamaal Charles
6. Marshawn Lynch
7. CJ Spiller
8. Ray Rice
9. Lesean McCoy
10. Alfred Morris
11. Steven Jackson
12. Darren McFadden
13. Steven Ridley
14. Chris Johnson
15. Matt Forte
16. DeMarco Murray
17. David Wilson
18. Montee Ball
19. Frank Gore
20. Reggie Bush
21. Lamaar Miller
22. Chris Ivory
23. Eddie Lacy
24. Rashard Mendenhall
25. Ahmed Bradshaw
26. Darren Sproles
27. Levon Bell
28. Ryan mathews
29. Giovani Bernard
30. Jonathon Stewart
31. Isaiah pead
32. Muarice Jones Drew
33. Zac Stacey
34. Bernard Peirce
35. Shane Vareen
36. Bryce Brown
37. Mark Ingram
38. DeAngelo Williams
39. Justin Forsett
40. Mikel Leshoure
41. Fred jackson
42. Ben Jarvis Green Ellis
43. Ben Tate
44. Shonn Green
45. Micheal Bush
46. Danny Woodhead
47. Joseph Randle
48. Jonathan Franklin
49. Jacquizz Rodgers
50. Darryle Richardson
51. Ronnie Hillman
52. LaMicheal james
53. Ryan Williams
54. Marcel Reece
55. Larod Stephens-Howlings
56. Denard "shoelace" Robinson
57. Knile Davis
58. Bililal Powel
59. Knowshon Moreno
60. Joique Bell

12 team league, 4-5 RB's per team (at most), top 60 should do.
AP at #1 is am easy choice after what he did last season. I have my doubts about Foster holding the #2 spot, I know that his usage is going to catch up to him sometime, and there are some horses right behind him. So, I wouldn't fault anyone for taking Doug Martin or Trent Richardson over Foster in a speculation move that banks on Foster hitting a wall this season. Andy Reid's affect on the Cheifs should be a godsend for anyone who drafts Jamaal Charles, but, the guy will probably miss a game or two, or more. Speaking of missing a game or two, Marshawn Lynch would be my #2, if not for his impending suspension to start the season. CJ Spiller should finally be given the full reign of the Bills backfield, seeing as how Fred Jackson really showed his age last year. Ray Rice falls a bit, but not due to anything about him, just the emergence of Bernard Pierce. Lesean McCoy also falls, both because of Bryce Brown, and the somewhat uncertainty of what his role will be in the new Chip Kelly offense. And finally, Alfred Morris edges Steven Jackson for the final spot in my top five , mainly due to the redskins needing to keep RGIII upright and the Falcons need to put the ball in the air.

Hey treff you kicked up a lot of feedback..post the top 200 and the thread goes through the roof...

 

[TREFF]

Ask and ye shall receive.............not standard scoring but this system ususally ends up really close so..............1.9 pts per game............standard might be just a tad higher but that's what I got.

that's even less than I had thought. So, really, all the discussion, after the top handful, is really just us squabbling..lol

 

[TREFF]

Hey treff you kicked up a lot of feedback..post the top 200 and the thread goes through the roof...

I just might get that done over the holiday weekend!

 

[Sox33OSU]

Is a top 200 even possible? In a normal 12 team league that's nearly 17 RBs per team.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Is a top 200 even possible? In a normal 12 team league that's nearly 17 RBs per team.

I think he means an overall top 200 list including all positions..............well, I hope that's what he means or we might have to include college RB's and maybe a few high schoolers too...............

 

[Sox33OSU]

I think he means an overall top 200 list including all positions..............well, I hope that's what he means or we might have to include college RB's and maybe a few high schoolers too...............

Haha, alright that makes more sense.

 

[Sox33OSU]

RB
1. Adrian Peterson
2. Doug Martin
3. Arian Foster
4. Trent Richardson
5. Jamaal Charles
6. Marshawn Lynch
7. CJ Spiller
8. Ray Rice
9. Lesean McCoy
10. Alfred Morris
11. Steven Jackson
12. Darren McFadden
13. Steven Ridley
14. Chris Johnson
15. Matt Forte
16. DeMarco Murray
17. David Wilson
18. Montee Ball
19. Frank Gore
20. Reggie Bush
21. Lamaar Miller
22. Chris Ivory
23. Eddie Lacy
24. Rashard Mendenhall
25. Ahmed Bradshaw
26. Darren Sproles
27. Levon Bell
28. Ryan mathews
29. Giovani Bernard
30. Jonathon Stewart
31. Isaiah pead
32. Muarice Jones Drew
33. Zac Stacey
34. Bernard Peirce
35. Shane Vareen
36. Bryce Brown
37. Mark Ingram
38. DeAngelo Williams
39. Justin Forsett
40. Mikel Leshoure
41. Fred jackson
42. Ben Jarvis Green Ellis
43. Ben Tate
44. Shonn Green
45. Micheal Bush
46. Danny Woodhead
47. Joseph Randle
48. Jonathan Franklin
49. Jacquizz Rodgers
50. Darryle Richardson
51. Ronnie Hillman
52. LaMicheal james
53. Ryan Williams
54. Marcel Reece
55. Larod Stephens-Howlings
56. Denard "shoelace" Robinson
57. Knile Davis
58. Bililal Powel
59. Knowshon Moreno
60. Joique Bell

At this point, I'd put Montario Hardesty from Cleveland ahead of those in bold. T-Rich hasn't been fully healthy since high school, so Hardesty will see the field plenty. I would be surprised if he didn't get a touch in every game this year. Even if Richardson is able to stay healthy, they're going to keep him fresh, which means playing Montario here and there.

Also, of all of your backups listed, I'd put Michael Bush up higher than most, if not all. No question Forte is the man (if he's healthy), but not many backups equal the rushing TD amount of the starter like Bush did in 2012.

 

[TREFF]

At this point, I'd put Montario Hardesty from Cleveland ahead of those in bold. T-Rich hasn't been fully healthy since high school, so Hardesty will see the field plenty. I would be surprised if he didn't get a touch in every game this year. Even if Richardson is able to stay healthy, they're going to keep him fresh, which means playing Montario here and there.

Also, of all of your backups listed, I'd put Michael Bush up higher than most, if not all. No question Forte is the man (if he's healthy), but not many backups equal the rushing TD amount of the starter like Bush did in 2012.

i want to put Hardesty higher..but he has his own injury issues, and when he has been on the field, it's been lackluster at best

 

[Sox33OSU]

i want to put Hardesty higher..but he has his own injury issues, and when he has been on the field, it's been lackluster at best

To be fair, he did have a better YPC last year than T-Rich. Also, it seems like he is fully healthy from what I'm hearing. He was also pretty durable last year.

 

[tlance]

Here is why I am not buying R. Bush outside of PPR-

Joique Bell and Mikel LeShoure

Bush will be the best back of the 3, for sure, but either Bell or LeShoure is going to get the goal-line work and all 3 of these guys will get touches. I don't think Bush's numbers will be close to what they were in Miami.

If Bush is staring at me in round 5 or 6, I will take him, but somebody is going to draft him before that where there are better values to be had, IMO.

 

[tlance]

Also, Brad Evans of Y! is really high on Reggie Bush which is the ultimate kiss of death.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Here is why I am not buying R. Bush outside of PPR-

Joique Bell and Mikel LeShoure

Bush will be the best back of the 3, for sure, but either Bell or LeShoure is going to get the goal-line work and all 3 of these guys will get touches. I don't think Bush's numbers will be close to what they were in Miami.

If Bush is staring at me in round 5 or 6, I will take him, but somebody is going to draft him before that where there are better values to be had, IMO.

Agree. Had LeShoure last year and while he did get the goal line TD's he sure as hell didn't do shit with yardage. Plus, how many more times will Megatron get stopped at the 1 this year (hopfully not many, lol). I'm avoiding the 3 of them this year unless like you said I get them for some crazy value.

 

[averagejoe]

Hey Joe! I have a small homework assignment that I have a feeling is right up yer alley. What was the per week point spread frim RB#13 to RB#25 last season? I gotta believe it wasn't too huge of a difference. Would do it myself, but gonna be swamped for the next 12hrs

I think Sam already answered this. But it got me thinking. Since we tend to group players a certain way, and base our draft strategy on whether we're in the top half or the bottom half...

I went back to last years fantasy leaders (standard scoring) and broke it down by six.

QB
top 6 avgd 353.2 fantasy points (or 22.1 pt-per-gm)
7-12 avdg 291.6 (18.2)
13-18 avgd 241.6 (15.1)
19-24 avgd 197.8 (12.3)

RB
top 6 avgd 276.5 (17.2)
7-12 avgd 207.8 (12.9)
13-18 avgd 165.6 (10.3)
19-24 avgd 138.5 (8.6)
25-30 avgd 104 (6.5)
31-36 avgd 86.1 (5.3)
37-42 avgd 77.3 (4.8)
43-48 avgd 67.3 (4.2)

WR
top 6 avgd 229 (14.3)
7-12 avgd 192.6 (12.0)
13-18 avgd 169.5 (10.5)
19-24 avgd 151.6 (9.4)
25-30 avgd 127 (7.9)
31-36 avgd 114.2 (7.1)
37-42 avgd 108 (6.7)
43-48 avgd 96.5 (6.0)

TE
top 6 avgd 136.6 (8.5)
7-12 avgd 99.5 (6.2)
13-18 avgd 80.3 (5.0)

I've always believed this, but it's nice to have the numbers to back it up: to all the guys who grab Jimmy Graham in the 3rd round, they're basically saying, 'give me a guy that only gets close to 10 pts a week' instead of grabbing a WR1/2 or RB2 that actually will get them more than 10 pts a week!

So what do you think? (Not about my little soapbox rant, the numbers?)

 

[Sox33OSU]

I think Sam already answered this. But it got me thinking. Since we tend to group players a certain way, and base our draft strategy on whether we're in the top half or the bottom half...

I went back to last years fantasy leaders (standard scoring) and broke it down by six.

QB
top 6 avgd 353.2 fantasy points (or 22.1 pt-per-gm)
7-12 avdg 291.6 (18.2)
13-18 avgd 241.6 (15.1)
19-24 avgd 197.8 (12.3)

RB
top 6 avgd 276.5 (17.2)
7-12 avgd 207.8 (12.9)
13-18 avgd 165.6 (10.3)
19-24 avgd 138.5 (8.6)
25-30 avgd 104 (6.5)
31-36 avgd 86.1 (5.3)
37-42 avgd 77.3 (4.8)
43-48 avgd 67.3 (4.2)

WR
top 6 avgd 229 (14.3)
7-12 avgd 192.6 (12.0)
13-18 avgd 169.5 (10.5)
19-24 avgd 151.6 (9.4)
25-30 avgd 127 (7.9)
31-36 avgd 114.2 (7.1)
37-42 avgd 108 (6.7)
43-48 avgd 96.5 (6.0)

TE
top 6 avgd 136.6 (8.5)
7-12 avgd 99.5 (6.2)
13-18 avgd 80.3 (5.0)

I've always believed this, but it's nice to have the numbers to back it up: to all the guys who grab Jimmy Graham in the 3rd round, they're basically saying, 'give me a guy that only gets close to 10 pts a week' instead of grabbing a WR1 or RB2/3 that actually will get them more than 10 pts a week!

So what do you think? (Not about my little soapbox rant, the numbers?)

Hate to be that guy, but I don't suppose you'd do a PPR version?

 

[Sox33OSU]

Here is why I am not buying R. Bush outside of PPR-

Joique Bell and Mikel LeShoure

Bush will be the best back of the 3, for sure, but either Bell or LeShoure is going to get the goal-line work and all 3 of these guys will get touches. I don't think Bush's numbers will be close to what they were in Miami.

If Bush is staring at me in round 5 or 6, I will take him, but somebody is going to draft him before that where there are better values to be had, IMO.

Luckily I'm only in PPR. The Lions threw over 130 passes to RBs last year, and Bush >>>>>>>>>> Bell and Leshoure as a receiver/playmaker.

Also, Brad Evans of Y! is really high on Reggie Bush which is the ultimate kiss of death.

Fuck?

Agree. Had LeShoure last year and while he did get the goal line TD's he sure as hell didn't do shit with yardage. Plus, how many more times will Megatron get stopped at the 1 this year (hopfully not many, lol). I'm avoiding the 3 of them this year unless like you said I get them for some crazy value.

I'm more than happy to get Bush in the late 4th/early 5th in a PPR platform. Remember back in 2011 when Best was actually healthy? He was doing work in my PPR league. His lowest point total was 9 points through his first 6 weeks before he got hurt. Bush is just as dynamic, if not more. That is what I'm looking at.

 

[averagejoe]

Hate to be that guy, but I don't suppose you'd do a PPR version?

Sorry. Keep all of last year's numbers on my draft spreadsheet. All standard leagues except for one. And that league has IDP and scores return yardage. Numbers are a mess. Sorry.

 

[averagejoe]

Hate to be that guy, but I don't suppose you'd do a PPR version?

Actually, I got it. I just added the receptions to the standard fantasy totals and resorted and recalculated. Here ya go:

QB PPR
top 6 avgd 353.3 fantasy points (or 22.1 pt-per-gm)
7-12 avdg 292 (18.3)
13-18 avgd 241.6 (15.1)
19-24 avgd 198.1 (12.4)

RB PPR
top 6 avgd 313.8 (19.6)
7-12 avgd 242.5 (15.2)
13-18 avgd 203.8 (12.7)
19-24 avgd 170.1 (10.6)
25-30 avgd 137.3 (8.6)
31-36 avgd 119.3 (7.5)
37-42 avgd 97.3 (6.1)
43-48 avgd 83 (5.2)

WR PPR
top 6 avgd 334.3 (20.9)
7-12 avgd 282.3 (17.6)
13-18 avgd 250.6 (15.7)
19-24 avgd 214.8 (13.4)
25-30 avgd 191.3 (12.0)
31-36 avgd 175 (10.9)
37-42 avgd 161 (10.1)
43-48 avgd 150.8 (9.4)

TE PPR
top 6 avgd 217.1 (13.6)
7-12 avgd 161.3 (10.6)
13-18 avgd 130.1 (8.1)

 

[Sox33OSU]

Actually, I got it. I just added the receptions to the standard fantasy totals and resorted and recalculated. Here ya go:

QB PPR
top 6 avgd 353.3 fantasy points (or 22.1 pt-per-gm)
7-12 avdg 292 (18.3)
13-18 avgd 241.6 (15.1)
19-24 avgd 198.1 (12.4)

RB PPR
top 6 avgd 313.8 (19.6)
7-12 avgd 242.5 (15.2)
13-18 avgd 203.8 (12.7)
19-24 avgd 170.1 (10.6)
25-30 avgd 137.3 (8.6)
31-36 avgd 119.3 (7.5)
37-42 avgd 97.3 (6.1)
43-48 avgd 83 (5.2)

WR PPR
top 6 avgd 334.3 (20.9)
7-12 avgd 282.3 (17.6)
13-18 avgd 250.6 (15.7)
19-24 avgd 214.8 (13.4)
25-30 avgd 191.3 (12.0)
31-36 avgd 175 (10.9)
37-42 avgd 161 (10.1)
43-48 avgd 150.8 (9.4)

TE PPR
top 6 avgd 217.1 (13.6)
7-12 avgd 161.3 (10.6)
13-18 avgd 130.1 (8.1)

That was a complete shot in the dark. I fully anticipated you telling me just to figure it out on my own. Thanks man!