Core 4

[Sackataters]

What's Yokonmen?

Reality TV, life in Alaska. I met my wife up in AK. The cast and show is a little Bush Light, but still entertaining to me.

 

[nuraman00]

I'm surprised Malone never had 27+ boards. Seems like most great bigs had bigger rebounding nights, especially 28-29 boards, at least once.

 

[nuraman00]

Reality TV, life in Alaska. I met my wife up in AK. The cast and show is a little Bush Light, but still entertaining to me.

Does your wife like it too? If so, sounds like something great to watch together, haha.

Do you like eating fish? What's your favorite fish to eat from Alaska?

 

[nuraman00]

Hayward doing a good job running the offense.

 

[Sackataters]

He's only making $1,794,872. He's a good cheap big signed for 2 more years after this one. What's the problem?

He's not going to be one of the best bigs off the bench, but he's a good 3rd stringer, like Rony Turiaf for the Clippers or Lance Stephenson for the Pacers.

That type of 3rd stringer.

Just that Chuck and Shaq were making fun of him during the dunk contest...4 total dunks all year and still qualified. He's like 24. I just don't see much potential beyond dunking, being nice, and drawing. On the plus side, he has my last name, so I can get a customized Jazz jersey.

 

[nuraman00]

I'm glad this game turned fun, after the previous few games.

 

[nuraman00]

Just that Chuck and Shaq were making fun of him during the dunk contest...4 total dunks all year and still qualified. He's like 24. I just don't see much potential beyond dunking, being nice, and drawing. On the plus side, he has my last name, so I can get a customized Jazz jersey.

Yeah, he's not going to get better. And he's not good enough to play a vital role off the bench.

But if you compare him to other 3rd stringers, like I am, that's where I see him.

And he's making about what other 3rd stringer makes. So he's playing his role.

Sure, you could replace him with any other 3rd stringer, but I'd only have a problem with him if I thought he sucked. He doesn't suck, for a 3rd stringer.

 

[Sackataters]

Does your wife like it too? If so, sounds like something great to watch together, haha.

Do you like eating fish? What's your favorite fish to eat from Alaska?

I catch em, but don't eat them. My wife thinks its stupid. Well watch Cinemax after dark once Yukonmen is over. My Enes isn't as enormous as Kanters, but still gets the boards.

 

[Sackataters]

Alright brother, have a good night. You are free to go watch OKC now. I kind of wish we would have traded for Maynor, by the way.

 

[nuraman00]

I catch em, but don't eat them. My wife thinks its stupid. Well watch Cinemax after dark once Yukonmen is over. My Enes isn't as enormous as Kanters, but still gets the boards.

Fun night.

 

[nuraman00]

Alright brother, have a good night. You are free to go watch OKC now. I kind of wish we would have traded for Maynor, by the way.

I'm savoring this. This might be the best the Jazz look all week, lol.

Plus, as I mentioned, I was just sick of the 1st half, because I felt the Jazz were only ahead because they were playing less bad.

In the 2nd half, I thought they cleaned up their game and played well, so I was happier.

 

[nuraman00]

Alright brother, have a good night. You are free to go watch OKC now. I kind of wish we would have traded for Maynor, by the way.

Who would you bump from the rotation in favor of Maynor?

I see Mayor as just another guard in this league.

Plus, since defense is the biggest problem on this team, I'd rather get someone who was better at defense, rather than a small skinny guard.

 

[nuraman00]

Anways, I like blowouts to close games, so good game. Good thread too. See you later.

 

[Sackataters]

Hahahaha, post game. Kanter is so enthusiastic and happy to get the time. I can appreciate that.

 

[Sackataters]

Who would you bump from the rotation in favor of Maynor?

I see Mayor as just another guard in this league.

Plus, since defense is the biggest problem on this team, I'd rather get someone who was better at defense, rather than a small skinny guard.

Maynor, to me is an upgrade over Earl. I wouldn't mind seeing Watson as an asst coach here, but his playing days are behind him.

 

[nuraman00]

Alright brother, have a good night. You are free to go watch OKC now. I kind of wish we would have traded for Maynor, by the way.

Maynor, to me is an upgrade over Earl. I wouldn't mind seeing Watson as an asst coach here, but his playing days are behind him.

Gotcha.

Ok, yeah, I could go for Maynor over Watson. I worry a little about Maynor's fit, but Watson should be like Jacque Vaughan in Orlando, lol.

Might as well go with a younger guard, in Mayor, then. I could go with that.

 

[nuraman00]

Hahahaha, post game. Kanter is so enthusiastic and happy to get the time. I can appreciate that.

I wish Favors and Kanter didn't combine for 11 fouls.

I do think they attack the boards more to my style.

And they could develop offensively, if given time.

Millsap was just like them his first few years, but he grew offensively.

Kanter and Favors could show the same.

 

[Sackataters]

I wish Favors and Kanter didn't combine for 11 fouls.

I might have to go look, I thought Kanter only got one or two fouls.

 

[nuraman00]

Ok, I see that when Jefferson is off the court, the Jazz play 9.0 points better on defense. That's HUGE.

Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.

109.3 105.6 +3.7

Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.

111.5 102.5 +9.0


So he's only +3.7 on offense, and -9.0 on defense, for a net of -5.4.

His offense doesn't make up for his defense.

I now don't think the Jazz should resign either Millsap nor Jefferson. Both will get paid more than they currently do, and aren't worth it.



Since they have bigs on rookie contracts in Kanter and Favors, they should build around them. They're cheap and resonably productive.



I do think their offense in the short term would fall off. They don't have anyone who can create his own shot outside of Hayward. That's where I see Jefferson providing some value.


But the Jazz aren't in win-now mode, so the short term doesn't matter as much.


But long term, they need to see if Kanter and Favors can get better on offense. If not, they might still be worth building around, as rebounding and defensive players. And they might need to get more offense out of the SG, bench, and PG, to compensate.

So they should take the next 1-2 years, and see how good Kanter and Favors can get on offense. Then if they've peaked, yet haven't become go-to guys on offense, keep them anyways because I think their rebounding and defense is valuable. It's not all about scoring. I know Boozer and Harpring and Jefferson could score, and there's a chance that these guys (Kanter and Favors) won't ever be as good as they were on offense, but that they'll be better on defense, especially as a duo. This upcoming team might have to have offense not from the frontcourt, but from other positions. Not all good teams get scoring from the frontcourt, and what's the point of getting scoring from the frontcourt if they give up a lot on defense too (like those Okur-Boozer frontcourt teams used to do)? Teams don't need as much frontcourt scoring if they can hold other teams to less scoring themselves.


Hayward has the potential to be like Paul George or Harden IMO. See how good he can be. See how much Favors and Kanter con contribute on offense. See how to get more scoring from the SG, then the bench (maybe that's where someone like Maynor or Burks comes in). Keep Carroll as a valuable bench scorer. Then there's a chance the PG will have to score a little more, because if Kanter and Favors can't do much more, then you can't force it. There's a chance you won't be able to keep giving them the ball and have them turn into scorers, it just might not happen. They'll turn it over. They'll get fouled and miss FTs. They'll miss shots. They'll commit offensive fouls. They won't be able to finish shots without getting foul calls. There's a chance they may be limited by these latter factors. So the offense will have to come from other areas, if those other areas themselves can create some shots. If not, then the GM has to find ways to keep improving the team, and let players do what they're capable of doing, not more.

 

[nuraman00]

I might have to go look, I thought Kanter only got one or two fouls.

Oops, Kanter only had 1 foul.

The "5" that I saw was his turnovers, not fouls.