Profar Up

[romeo212000]

It may depend on the reason for an early exit. If it's pitching then there will always be the injury thing and the fact that the FO signed Oswalt and Dempster as replacements and they have been less than stellar. If MY continues his miserable work from the six hole and kills some rallies at playoff time then there may be some eye brows raised.
Anywho, it's hard to fire a guy who has managed a team to three straight playoffs.

Yeah, it's just frustrating to see him out-managed so badly in back to back WS. But I see your point.

 

[Windingmywatch]

September minor league call ups don't log service time. So since TEX waited until Sep to acquire Profar's contract, adding him to the 40-man and activating him ... means his service time has not started.

Even though he wasn't on the active roster on 31 Aug ... he could be added to the post season roster as an injury replacement.

Unless Profar gets some significant playing time though and lights things up in September ... bet that Wash perspective that MY can cover the middle means that Profar doesn't make the post season roster.

Problem with that though is that for MY to sub at SS or 2b has to be on the field not DHing. Another danger of not having a UIF (ostensibly Profar) on the post season roster is that if Elvis or Kinsler were injured during a post season series then Profar (or another player in the TEX system) could be (added to the 40man) activated to sub for them but then Elvis or Kinsler could not return until the next series.

Question is going to come down to what is the best use of the last (13th or 14th position player) spot? If Napoli doesn't get cleared to rehab soon (guess at AZ training facility) ... then the rosters will be in quite a bit of flux up until the post season starts. The Profar move just provides another option.

 

[romeo212000]

September minor league call ups don't log service time. So since TEX waited until Sep to acquire Profar's contract, adding him to the 40-man and activating him ... means his service time has not started.

Even though he wasn't on the active roster on 31 Aug ... he could be added to the post season roster as an injury replacement.

Unless Profar gets some significant playing time though and lights things up in September ... bet that Wash perspective that MY can cover the middle means that Profar doesn't make the post season roster.

Problem with that though is that for MY to sub at SS or 2b has to be on the field not DHing. Another danger of not having a UIF (ostensibly Profar) on the post season roster is that if Elvis or Kinsler were injured during a post season series then Profar (or another player in the TEX system) could be (added to the 40man) activated to sub for them but then Elvis or Kinsler could not return until the next series.

Question is going to come down to what is the best use of the last (13th or 14th position player) spot? If Napoli doesn't get cleared to rehab soon (guess at AZ training facility) ... then the rosters will be in quite a bit of flux up until the post season starts. The Profar move just provides another option.

I've been thinking about the UIF quandary and how wash is going to justify DH'ing MY in October.

 

[scotsman1948]

Agreed, I'm not advocating playing Profar everyday by any means, but as the Thrill said, nothing wrong with giving him a couple starts a week at SS or 2B and spelling Andrus and Kinsler, who have played pretty much every day this season

as the team gets closer to locking up the division title, we will see Profar at SS and 2B like you said and we will probably see Olt at 1st & 3B to spell Moreland & Beltre at least a couple of times a week. all moves that allow the starters rest before the playoffs start. and we will see Gentry and Martin getting a couple times a week in the outfield to spell the 3 starters ( Hamilton, Cruz & Murphy). those are logical moves once the team has moved close to locking down a playoff spot.

right now we are in a dog fight, especially with the way Oakland and LA are suddenly winning, so everyone will just have to live with them spending a lot of time on the bench

 

[romeo212000]

as the team gets closer to locking up the division title, we will see Profar at SS and 2B like you said and we will probably see Olt at 1st & 3B to spell Moreland & Beltre at least a couple of times a week. all moves that allow the starters rest before the playoffs start. and we will see Gentry and Martin getting a couple times a week in the outfield to spell the 3 starters ( Hamilton, Cruz & Murphy). those are logical moves once the team has moved close to locking down a playoff spot.

right now we are in a dog fight, especially with the way Oakland and LA are suddenly winning, so everyone will just have to live with them spending a lot of time on the bench

Gentry and Olt lose playing time to PADMY. Not Beltre, Moreland, Hamilton, Cruz or Murphy.

 

[Windingmywatch]

I've been thinking about the UIF quandary and how wash is going to justify DH'ing MY in October.

Was thinking the same thing. Without a UIF on the bench ... TEX middle is exposed if MY DHs. So Wash might choose to play MY at 1b where he can backup the middle and TEX avoids losing the DH.

Mitch might then DH (with Olt the b/up 1bman on the bench) or Murphy (w/Gentry in CF).

Assuming 14 position players on the post season roster:
C: Napoli (maybe), Soto,
IF: Moreland, Kinsler, Beltre, Andrus, Olt, Young
OF: Hamilton, Cruz, Murphy, Gentry

Plus 2 each of: Martinez (R), Martin (L), Snyder (R), Profar (S)

-Martinez sole value would be as third catcher... pretty limited.
-Martin adds bench depth in the OF but does TEX need 5 OF in post season?
-Snyder covers both IF corners (just like Olt) and would eliminate the need for a third catcher or could be the emergency 5th OF
-Profar covers the middle, is a switch hitter and may be the best option of the four before we ever see him play because he would keep MY from having to be the UIF and having to play 1b in order to do so.

If TEX goes with 14 position players ... then I think Snyder and Profar give the best value and options.

If TEX goes with 13 position players ... then I think Profar is the best option for the last bench seat. Keeps MY from having to be on the field ... relegated to DH only in the first 2 rounds.

Profar has to be an injury substitution which is supposed to have to be a position player who is playoff eligible. That might be Napoli if the decision had to be made today.

Don't think I missed any of the potential options ... but sure as heck since I left Martin off ... TEX will add him as the 13th position player with 12 pitchers and we are going to see a lot of MY on the field.

 

[scotsman1948]

Was thinking the same thing. Without a UIF on the bench ... TEX middle is exposed if MY DHs. So Wash might choose to play MY at 1b where he can backup the middle and TEX avoids losing the DH.

Mitch might then DH (with Olt the b/up 1bman on the bench) or Murphy (w/Gentry in CF).

Assuming 14 position players on the post season roster:
C: Napoli (maybe), Soto,
IF: Moreland, Kinsler, Beltre, Andrus, Olt, Young
OF: Hamilton, Cruz, Murphy, Gentry

Plus 2 each of: Martinez (R), Martin (L), Snyder (R), Profar (S)

-Martinez sole value would be as third catcher... pretty limited.
-Martin adds bench depth in the OF but does TEX need 5 OF in post season?
-Snyder covers both IF corners (just like Olt) and would eliminate the need for a third catcher or could be the emergency 5th OF
-Profar covers the middle, is a switch hitter and may be the best option of the four before we ever see him play because he would keep MY from having to be the UIF and having to play 1b in order to do so.

If TEX goes with 14 position players ... then I think Snyder and Profar give the best value and options.

If TEX goes with 13 position players ... then I think Profar is the best option for the last bench seat. Keeps MY from having to be on the field ... relegated to DH only in the first 2 rounds.

Profar has to be an injury substitution which is supposed to have to be a position player who is playoff eligible. That might be Napoli if the decision had to be made today.

Don't think I missed any of the potential options ... but sure as heck since I left Martin off ... TEX will add him as the 13th position player with 12 pitchers and we are going to see a lot of MY on the field.

well thought out. i agree with your assessment of who we use if we go 14 or 13 position players. what do you think our pitching staff will look like for both scenerios

 

[Hambombs]

So to recap, were using our worst player as often and in as
Many roles as we can?

 

[Windingmywatch]

Scotty ... here are my thoughts and probably many others on staff.

12 man staff option:
SP: Dempster, Darvish, Harrison, Holland (no specific order)
RP: Nathan, Adams, Ogando, Uehara, Feldman Ross (hope), Lowe, Kirkman

11 man staff option:
Above ... w/either Lowe or Feldman left off (not going to argue about who you know I think ought to not be there).

This and position player options Will be a topic all September. Maybe even RO gets some consideration.

 

[Windingmywatch]

So to recap, were using our worst player as often and in as
Many roles as we can?

Yep ... that's about it. Think we are pretty much stuck with it the way it is.

 

[Windingmywatch]

So to recap, were using our worst player as often and in as
Many roles as we can?

Your same post on BBTIA?

 

[romeo212000]

Yep ... that's about it. Think we are pretty much stuck with it the way it is.

Yup. JD is between a rock and a hard spot where Wash is being defiant, stupid and stubborn, but also happens to be in first place heading into September. As much as Wash's poor lineup choices will hinder Texas' chances at the WS, removing him at this juncture may cause greater problems with the team and cause unnecessary distractions that could hinder the team even more than his poor lineup choices.

I think there's a decent chance he's removed in the offseason, especially if they don't win it all this year. It appears right now that wash is giving his boss a giant middle finger and is pushing him around. What he may not realize is JD is a finesse player and he's not going to cause a huge unnecessary distraction going down the stretch. If he's going to drop the hammer he'll do so swiftly in the off season. Till then I have to trust that JD is handling this impossible situation the best it can possibly be handled and that he'll make himself heard to Wash loud and clear when the time is appropriate. I'm still going to be frustrated with the stupidity and occasionally boil over and rant about it briefly though.

 

[Windingmywatch]

Consider this ... as was discussed on BBTIA today:

If Wash had relegated MY to bench in July or August ... then there is no way he could reinsert him in October and there would be no way for him to get untracked. With TEX in the position it has been in all season ... there was no reason to not keeping rolling MY out there to see if he lights up like he did in April.

But going into the post season could be something totally different. We just don't know what Wash will do. Going into the last 2 weeks he might tell MY ... "We've hung with you all season Mike. We've given you every opportunity. You are a key member of this roster still ... but we need to look at some other options along with you at DH for the good of the team. That's baseball."

We just don't know.

 

[romeo212000]

Consider this ... as was discussed on BBTIA today:

If Wash had relegated MY to bench in July or August ... then there is no way he could reinsert him in October and there would be no way for him to get untracked. With TEX in the position it has been in all season ... there was no reason to not keeping rolling MY out there to see if he lights up like he did in April.

But going into the post season could be something totally different. We just don't know what Wash will do. Going into the last 2 weeks he might tell MY ... "We've hung with you all season Mike. We've given you every opportunity. You are a key member of this roster still ... but we need to look at some other options along with you at DH for the good of the team. That's baseball."

We just don't know.

That's what I'll tell myself until that time comes to make me feel better.

 

[Hambombs]

Your same post on BBTIA?

Yep haha. Young cost us another game today...

 

[scotsman1948]

Scotty ... here are my thoughts and probably many others on staff.

12 man staff option:
SP: Dempster, Darvish, Harrison, Holland (no specific order)
RP: Nathan, Adams, Ogando, Uehara, Feldman Ross (hope), Lowe, Kirkman

11 man staff option:
Above ... w/either Lowe or Feldman left off (not going to argue about who you know I think ought to not be there).

This and position player options Will be a topic all September. Maybe even RO gets some consideration.

Feldman doesn't deserve a post-season position with his latest performances

 

[romeo212000]

Feldman doesn't deserve a post-season position with his latest performances

He would basically be competing for the long spot with Oswalt and given Oswalts post season experience and effectiveness in short relief appearances I would prefer Oswalt.

 

[Al Falfa]

Feldman doesn't deserve a post-season position with his latest performances

Couldn't agree more, but based on the entire season MY doesn't warrant a spot either, but I'll bet he's DHing and hitting 6th.

 

[romeo212000]

Couldn't agree more, but based on the entire season MY doesn't warrant a spot either, but I'll bet he's DHing and hitting 6th.

Or taking Moreland out of the lineup at first base if they make it to the WS.

 

[Al Falfa]

He would basically be competing for the long spot with Oswalt and given Oswalts post season experience and effectiveness in short relief appearances I would prefer Oswalt.

I'd rather see Feldman and Oswalt flip flop positions right now and let Oswalt have a rotation spot for the last month against division rivals. I trust Oswalts experience more than Feldman's ability to sleep walk on the mound.