Some miscellaneous stuff

[Godstree]

I don't agree with Nate on that. Last season Jerry and Stephen sat out the offseason, signing Zeke as their big FA and a blah draft. This year they had a made a good hire for HC, had a decent FA, what looks like an excellent draft, and made a great trade. That adds up to more than 3-5, unless we have a similar season to last year, injury wise

I agree that our Off Season looks like one for the books.

Looking at schedule before pickens we looked like we were about to lay an egg. We talk about a good draft. Hindsight has proven false hope on that front several times lately.

Until training camp and scrimmages how can we make a bolder prediction? Dak sucked before going down last year shittiest stats of his career and he was/is our best. Now he's coming back from the injury. How is that going to make him better than 90 QBR? Cause we think he SHOULD BE?

Until there is some proof, it is hopium.

 

[Godstree]

I'm not a big believer in ex-players opinions as they never seem very accurate. They sure as heck know their x's and o's, but it seems to stop there. I mean look at Irvin. He just predicted we would win 12 games this year. Does anyone take his predictions seriously? But, I'm not following exactly. Nate is predicting we will only win 3-5 games this year? Even after last year that seems awfully low. Or is he saying last year we could have been a 3-5 win team?

No he didn't predict it. He was saying until we can see it on the field, it's words. Look at the schedule. How many games we going to win? Giants seem a maybe at this point. Jets. Who else you got as a for sure?

Now we always win games we shouldn't and loose some we shouldn't. How many can you look at and say W for sure?

But he was not predicting just saying we have a hard row to hoe and pickens now will help but we need to tamp down our excitement until we can witness some other than last year (with Dak).

 

[UK Cowboy]

I agree that our Off Season looks like one for the books.

Looking at schedule before pickens we looked like we were about to lay an egg. We talk about a good draft. Hindsight has proven false hope on that front several times lately.

Until training camp and scrimmages how can we make a bolder prediction? Dak sucked before going down last year shittiest stats of his career and he was/is our best. Now he's coming back from the injury. How is that going to make him better than 90 QBR? Cause we think he SHOULD BE?

Until there is some proof, it is hopium.

I think that Schotty is going to call a similar game to what he did in Seattle. I think we will be top 5 in the league on rushing attempts, run a lot of two TE sets and a lot of max protect. I think if Dak embraces it, it will keep him upright and us winning games

 

[jarntt]

No he didn't predict it. He was saying until we can see it on the field, it's words. Look at the schedule. How many games we going to win? Giants seem a maybe at this point. Jets. Who else you got as a for sure?

Now we always win games we shouldn't and loose some we shouldn't. How many can you look at and say W for sure?

But he was not predicting just saying we have a hard row to hoe and pickens now will help but we need to tamp down our excitement until we can witness some other than last year (with Dak).

Tough call. Right now my only prediction is over 7.5. I’ve already bet a decent amount on that and if it stays there right before the season starts and we have no huge injuries I’ll bet a few hundred more. Can I see us winning only 5 games? Sure, id be pretty surprised, but if things don’t click it’s possible, but I could also see 10. I don’t ever put any games down for sure as a win…or a loss.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Lamb's rehab for his shoulder injury took 5 months. He really proved a lot to me last season over the top of being a great player. He bowed up even when the season looked lost

 

[jarntt]

Lamb's rehab for his shoulder injury took 5 months. He really proved a lot to me last season over the top of being a great player. He bowed up even when the season looked lost

I love CeeDee on this team. He and Micah are our true superstars. It’s odd how many of our fans shade those two when without them we are pretty much nowhere near a .500 team. I remember saying coming into last year this team would have a losing record without Micah when people on here were trashing him and talking about getting rid of him. Well, we saw how this team was when he was out. Heck we were only a 7 win team and he played most of the games. Just sign the man Jerry.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I love CeeDee on this team. He and Micah are our true superstars. It’s odd how many of our fans shade those two when without them we are pretty much nowhere near a .500 team. I remember saying coming into last year this team would have a losing record without Micah when people on here were trashing him and talking about getting rid of him. Well, we saw how this team was when he was out. Heck we were only a 7 win team and he played most of the games. Just sign the man Jerry.

That's exactly right. I saw a lot of the "strong opinions" that Lamb and even Micah should go. Totally absurd. Two top 3 guys in the game at their position, without those two we might as well fold up the tents and call it a day. I really have no idea what Jerry and Stephen are doing. They know they have to keep him, they know the price is only going to skyrocket, and they still sit on their hands. Amazing

 

[jarntt]

That's exactly right. I saw a lot of the "strong opinions" that Lamb and even Micah should go. Totally absurd. Two top 3 guys in the game at their position, without those two we might as well fold up the tents and call it a day. I really have no idea what Jerry and Stephen are doing. They know they have to keep him, they know the price is only going to skyrocket, and they still sit on their hands. Amazing

At least we know Schotty is smart enough to want him as can be seen by moving his locker right next to Dak’s in the prime spot in the locker room. Those are your two leaders whether people like it or not. The stupid hot Boyz are finally dismantled

 

[UK Cowboy]

At least we know Schotty is smart enough to want him as can be seen by moving his locker right next to Dak’s in the prime spot in the locker room. Those are your two leaders whether people like it or not. The stupid hot Boyz are finally dismantled

100%. I dont really see anyone negative about this team after the offseason we have had. Predicting 9-10 wins for a team Vegas over/unders at 7.5 isn't negative. I actually think another offseason like this one, combined with a return to health of Overshown, who is a massive key, and Diggs and Revel to 100%, and this team could be a real contender as soon as next season

 

[jarntt]

The two that jump out to me the most as being too high are Stafford in tier 2 and Geno. Hurts is obviously a function of his team so a little too high as well, but when we apply our personal opinions, we can nitpick most of the players as being a little too high or too low on any list. Tier 4 (almost 1/4 of the entire league) highlights just how many potentially good young QBs there are and also the change in attitude from a few years back that you need to pay your QB if you have one. Some will crash and burn but so will teams that overpay for an average veteran who aren't in position to "win now". The Giants are perhaps the most interesting situation as they have the aging stop gap vet in Wilson and also the potential young stud (or bust) in Dart. IMO if Dart is ready he is starting by mid season and maybe a lot sooner.

PFF Quarterback Rankings: All 32 starters ahead of the 2025 NFL season

As expected, this list kicks off with Kansas City's Patrick Mahomes, but Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and Josh Allen are nipping at his heels.

www.pff.com

Tier 4: Young players with a wide range of potential outcomes​

19. BO NIX, DENVER BRONCOS​

Nix had a strong rookie season, though it was somewhat overshadowed by Jayden Daniels’ historic campaign. If he can avoid the dreaded sophomore slump, the Broncos could be a serious threat in 2025. After a rocky start, including three sub-50.0 game grades in his first four outings, Nix found his footing, posting an 85.7 overall grade the rest of the way, sixth-best in the league over that span.

20. BRYCE YOUNG, CAROLINA PANTHERS​

After struggling mightily as a rookie and getting benched following two poor starts in 2024, Young completely turned things around. From Week 8 onward, he graded as the 13th-best quarterback in the league, earning an 83.2 overall mark over that 10-game stretch. It’s a limited sample, so caution is warranted — but leading the NFL with a 7.7% big-time throw rate while posting just a 2.3% turnover-worthy play rate is an impressive combination. The 2025 season will be pivotal in proving that the breakout wasn’t just a flash in the pan.

21. J.J. MCCARTHY, MINNESOTA VIKINGS​

I’m leaning on my personal evaluation here, as I had McCarthy as the top quarterback in the 2024 NFL Draft. We didn’t get to see him as a rookie, but his 2023 season at Michigan — where he earned a 92.2 PFF grade and a 93.4 passing grade — highlighted everything you want in a young passer. If he’s fully healthy in 2025, and considering what Sam Darnold managed in this offense, McCarthy is set up to succeed.

22. DRAKE MAYE, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS​

Maye went through the expected rookie growing pains, finishing the year with a 64.9 passing grade and more turnover-worthy plays (16) than big-time throws (14). He faced one of the league’s worst offensive lines and had limited support in the receiving corps. With Mike Vrabel taking over as head coach and upgrades around him, the No. 3 overall pick from 2024 is positioned to take a step forward in Year 2.

23. MICHAEL PENIX JR., ATLANTA FALCONS​

Penix’s NFL sample size is small but promising. Across 114 dropbacks, he earned an 87.9 overall grade — a number inflated by a dominant Week 18 performance that included seven big-time throws and a 95.6 game grade. He’s clearly capable of that level of play, but the week prior told a different story, as he struggled with accuracy and finished with a 54.3 passing grade. Accuracy and performance under pressure were question marks coming out of college. If he can improve in those areas, his ranking will rise in a hurry.

24. CALEB WILLIAMS, CHICAGO BEARS​

Touted as a generational talent by many, Williams underwhelmed as a rookie, earning just a 67.6 overall grade and posting only five single-game grades above 70.0. The talent is undeniable, but his NFL success will hinge on learning to find open targets and avoiding the habit of running himself into pressure.

25. CAMERON WARD, TENNESSEE TITANS​

One of two rookie quarterbacks projected to start in Week 1, Ward will need plenty to fall into place as the Titans work through a still-flawed roster. He delivered 31 big-time throws in 2024 and finished as the second-highest-graded passer among drafted quarterbacks. At minimum, he should offer an upgrade over Will Levis.

 

[jarntt]

You have to love a young kid today who doesn't come out of a game making excuses for why things went bad, but tries to figure out what it was 'he did wrong and can improve on'.

 

[UK Cowboy]

The two that jump out to me the most as being too high are Stafford in tier 2 and Geno. Hurts is obviously a function of his team so a little too high as well, but when we apply our personal opinions, we can nitpick most of the players as being a little too high or too low on any list. Tier 4 (almost 1/4 of the entire league) highlights just how many potentially good young QBs there are and also the change in attitude from a few years back that you need to pay your QB if you have one. Some will crash and burn but so will teams that overpay for an average veteran who aren't in position to "win now". The Giants are perhaps the most interesting situation as they have the aging stop gap vet in Wilson and also the potential young stud (or bust) in Dart. IMO if Dart is ready he is starting by mid season and maybe a lot sooner.

PFF Quarterback Rankings: All 32 starters ahead of the 2025 NFL season

As expected, this list kicks off with Kansas City's Patrick Mahomes, but Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and Josh Allen are nipping at his heels.

www.pff.com

Tier 4: Young players with a wide range of potential outcomes​

19. BO NIX, DENVER BRONCOS​

Nix had a strong rookie season, though it was somewhat overshadowed by Jayden Daniels’ historic campaign. If he can avoid the dreaded sophomore slump, the Broncos could be a serious threat in 2025. After a rocky start, including three sub-50.0 game grades in his first four outings, Nix found his footing, posting an 85.7 overall grade the rest of the way, sixth-best in the league over that span.

20. BRYCE YOUNG, CAROLINA PANTHERS​

After struggling mightily as a rookie and getting benched following two poor starts in 2024, Young completely turned things around. From Week 8 onward, he graded as the 13th-best quarterback in the league, earning an 83.2 overall mark over that 10-game stretch. It’s a limited sample, so caution is warranted — but leading the NFL with a 7.7% big-time throw rate while posting just a 2.3% turnover-worthy play rate is an impressive combination. The 2025 season will be pivotal in proving that the breakout wasn’t just a flash in the pan.

21. J.J. MCCARTHY, MINNESOTA VIKINGS​

I’m leaning on my personal evaluation here, as I had McCarthy as the top quarterback in the 2024 NFL Draft. We didn’t get to see him as a rookie, but his 2023 season at Michigan — where he earned a 92.2 PFF grade and a 93.4 passing grade — highlighted everything you want in a young passer. If he’s fully healthy in 2025, and considering what Sam Darnold managed in this offense, McCarthy is set up to succeed.

22. DRAKE MAYE, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS​

Maye went through the expected rookie growing pains, finishing the year with a 64.9 passing grade and more turnover-worthy plays (16) than big-time throws (14). He faced one of the league’s worst offensive lines and had limited support in the receiving corps. With Mike Vrabel taking over as head coach and upgrades around him, the No. 3 overall pick from 2024 is positioned to take a step forward in Year 2.

23. MICHAEL PENIX JR., ATLANTA FALCONS​

Penix’s NFL sample size is small but promising. Across 114 dropbacks, he earned an 87.9 overall grade — a number inflated by a dominant Week 18 performance that included seven big-time throws and a 95.6 game grade. He’s clearly capable of that level of play, but the week prior told a different story, as he struggled with accuracy and finished with a 54.3 passing grade. Accuracy and performance under pressure were question marks coming out of college. If he can improve in those areas, his ranking will rise in a hurry.

24. CALEB WILLIAMS, CHICAGO BEARS​

Touted as a generational talent by many, Williams underwhelmed as a rookie, earning just a 67.6 overall grade and posting only five single-game grades above 70.0. The talent is undeniable, but his NFL success will hinge on learning to find open targets and avoiding the habit of running himself into pressure.

25. CAMERON WARD, TENNESSEE TITANS​

One of two rookie quarterbacks projected to start in Week 1, Ward will need plenty to fall into place as the Titans work through a still-flawed roster. He delivered 31 big-time throws in 2024 and finished as the second-highest-graded passer among drafted quarterbacks. At minimum, he should offer an upgrade over Will Levis.

Ive been saying back to Dak's 2nd contract for $40M I wouldn't pay him. Love the kid, good player, great leader. He's just not one of the 4-5 guys that are such difference makers to deserve that big a piece of the pie. $60M? FFS. Our problem has always been that we NEVER have a serious backup plan...Rush, Lance...Maybe Milton can be that guy

 

[UK Cowboy]

You have to love a young kid today who doesn't come out of a game making excuses for why things went bad, but tries to figure out what it was 'he did wrong and can improve on'.

He's having a good OTA. Im hearing we might bring Gilmore back because it could be midseason now on Diggs..

 

[jarntt]

He's having a good OTA. Im hearing we might bring Gilmore back because it could be midseason now on Diggs..

After drafting Revel and bringing in Elam (and we do have a couple other emergency guys), I don't see us bringing in a starting caliber CB, but I guess if Diggs is out for that long it's possible. A one year guy like Gilmore makes sense but I don't want to block Revel if let's say all four of Bland, Diggs, Gilmore and Revel are healthy and Bland and Diggs aren't sitting and I don't know that Gilmore is signing if he isn't led to believe he has a fair shot at being one of the top 3, I would have signed Gilmore if it were my call in March, but I don't see this one and definitely not Ramsey. Perhaps Gilmore or a guy like Mike Hilton if Diggs really is out for that long, because if he misses half the year and comes back he may not be all that great when he hits the field anyway.

 

[UK Cowboy]

After drafting Revel and bringing in Elam (and we do have a couple other emergency guys), I don't see us bringing in a starting caliber CB, but I guess if Diggs is out for that long it's possible. A one year guy like Gilmore makes sense but I don't want to block Revel if let's say all four of Bland, Diggs, Gilmore and Revel are healthy and Bland and Diggs aren't sitting and I don't know that Gilmore is signing if he isn't led to believe he has a fair shot at being one of the top 3, I would have signed Gilmore if it were my call in March, but I don't see this one and definitely not Ramsey. Perhaps Gilmore or a guy like Mike Hilton if Diggs really is out for that long, because if he misses half the year and comes back he may not be all that great when he hits the field anyway.

Yeah, I think if they believe Diggs will be back to start the season they ride with what they have. If they think it's midseason, I think Gilmore is a great idea. I have high hopes for Revel, but expecting him to be lockdown while making it back just in time to start tye season as a rookie, with no camp to get into shape and coming off a major injury? Thats a big ask, even if he gets back

 

[jarntt]

Yeah, I think if they believe Diggs will be back to start the season they ride with what they have. If they think it's midseason, I think Gilmore is a great idea. I have high hopes for Revel, but expecting him to be lockdown while making it back just in time to start tye season as a rookie, with no camp to get into shape and coming off a major injury? Thats a big ask, even if he gets back

Regardless of what fans assume, every rookie is a crap shoot until they show it at the NFL level, but I haven't read anything to lead me to believe he won't be back before the preseason games begin. Even Booker is of course no guarantee to be good year 1.

I look at it more from Gilmore's perspective. If I were him would I pick Dallas? I guess if his options are limited and he believes in himself and we pony up the coin. Plus if he doesn't sign until July he should have a good idea by then what the week 1 situation will be and maybe the team tells him if he is locked into a bench spot mid-year they will try and trade him if he wants

 

[UK Cowboy]

Regardless of what fans assume, every rookie is a crap shoot until they show it at the NFL level, but I haven't read anything to lead me to believe he won't be back before the preseason games begin. Even Booker is of course no guarantee to be good year 1.

I look at it more from Gilmore's perspective. If I were him would I pick Dallas? I guess if his options are limited and he believes in himself and we pony up the coin. Plus if he doesn't sign until July he should have a good idea by then what the week 1 situation will be and maybe the team tells him if he is locked into a bench spot mid-year they will try and trade him if he wants

Doesn't hurt to wait, unless you're worried he wont be there. Really depends on health to me.
Like you said, Booker may be an all pro someday, but even if, there's likely gonna be an adjustment period. Beebe looks like a keeper, but he had his ups and downs year one

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

He's having a good OTA. Im hearing we might bring Gilmore back because it could be midseason now on Diggs..

It would be smart to bring back Gilmore. Ravel ,Gilmore and Bland in the slot

 

[UK Cowboy]

It would be smart to bring back Gilmore. Ravel ,Gilmore and Bland in the slot

With the injuries we have, he is a guy that could make some sense. I think the one thing that could really benefit Gilmore is the fact that instead of being asked to man up recievers and try and cover for the speed he has lost, in the Eberflus Tampa 2, he would almost always have safety help over the top

 

[Godstree]

Yeah, I think if they believe Diggs will be back to start the season they ride with what they have. If they think it's midseason, I think Gilmore is a great idea. I have high hopes for Revel, but expecting him to be lockdown while making it back just in time to start tye season as a rookie, with no camp to get into shape and coming off a major injury? Thats a big ask, even if he gets back

Yeah, hard task for next man up no matter who it is.