2024 Free agency and draft thread

[dtgold88]

Yeah I am not sure the exact teams that were in the final group…I remember Atlanta and New Orleans I believe those were the main two or only two in the final group.

Watson either didn’t want to go to CLE or they were out…makes more sense Watson was out NOW.

CLE offers the new deal. I’m sure his agent gives the other teams a chance to match (it makes sense) and they didn’t apparently.

The end is history. I want to forget it all

Mostly agree.....but it's possible Watson was fine coming here as good case could be made at time seemed like best chance for him to win.

Main point is the contract is overblown. The teams willing to give up a haul for him were doing so assuming he did not forget how to play football and may even get better than he was in Houston since was still only 26. Likely figured he would be underpaid within a year or 2 at most and then would want even more in an extension and we'd have been glad to pay it.

and, sure......hope we found or will soon find the right guy and just forget the whole thing.

 

[dtgold88]

I never said that either. I said the red flags he carried due to his misconduct carried a TON of red flags for an organization. The player itself (character/mentality), locker room, coaching staff, fanbase, etc. certainly carried a monetary and trade impact for the player. And regardless of injury, any player out of football for almost 2 years... you're likely just not going to come back the same (just conditioning, keeping up on concepts, the character prob. means that person doesn't care... etc.).

That should have a severe impact on what a team is trading/paying someone like that. The Browns didn't see that the same, they said "Fuck it, we're paying anyway." Fine... your entire notion which we just keep going over and over that other teams were going to give the same compensation is kind of laughable.

Unlike most here if I read something wrong and it's clearly my fault I will just own it and that's what I did here. You, in fact, did say it's NOT like an injury. My bad.

But I doubt many thought being out a year+ a 26-year-old elite QB would just forget how to play.......but, yes, it appears he did. and I doubt anyone else in the running thought he couldn't play either no matter what they were willing to do with his contract.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Unlike most here if I read something wrong and it's clearly my fault I will just own it and that's what I did here. You, in fact, did say it's NOT like an injury. My bad.

But I doubt many thought being out a year+ a 26-year-old elite QB would just forget how to play.......but, yes, it appears he did. and I doubt anyone else in the running thought he couldn't play either no matter what they were willing to do with his contract.

That last part we can agree on and I already posted that. I'm sure many teams thought he could still play. I thought he might be able to come back too (hell we saw Vick come back and do okay), hence why I graded the trade itself (the picks) not too terribly. I think I gave it a B- or C? Someone can go back and I'm sure find my post. I certainly didn't give it an A or A+ like some sites did to my recollection.

There was a lot of uncertainly around the trade itself (in terms of picks) so I think everyone was kind of on edge with that given this was not really an injury concern or ON field character issue. This was a little different (very much like Vick).

Where it really lost me and I think a lot of folks that watch football closely... was the contract itself. Usually players that are coming off major injuries, major off field issues (with suspensions uncertain), etc. are not given those kind of contracts. Name me one, and I will happily acknowledge it. And that's what kind of everyone is saying here... I don't think anyone came CLOSE to what the Browns offered (in terms of contract) and Watson was like, "Well fuck this. Time to get paid and buy my own massage parlors"

 

[dtgold88]

That last part we can agree on and I already posted that. I'm sure many teams thought he could still play. I thought he might be able to come back too (hell we saw Vick come back and do okay), hence why I graded the trade itself (the picks) not too terribly.

There was a lot of uncertainly around the trade itself (in terms of picks) so I think everyone was kind of on edge with that given this was not really an injury concern or ON field character issue. This was a little different (very much like Vick).

Where it really lost me and I think a lot of folks that watch football closely... was the contract itself. Usually players that are coming off major injuries, major off field issues (with suspensions uncertain), etc. are not given those kind of contracts. Name me one, and I will happily acknowledge it. And that's what kind of everyone is saying here... I don't think anyone came CLOSE to what the Browns offered (in terms of contract) and Watson was like, "Well fuck this. Time to get paid and buy my own massage parlors"

Yeah I get where it lost many and as mentioned thought was completely overblown (especially before knowing he'd shit the bed). All those going after him assumed he could still be good and Browns figured they'd be happy to pay that amt.....and likely would end up redoing it for even more 2-3 years later.

Can I name you one like this one? No....but didn't seem to bother most teams who wanted him. Also don't know of many teams who are willing to trade an elite QB not yet in his prime. That's gonna be pricey. As to no one offering close to Browns well we just don't know that. Why I'm trying to only stick to what we do know.

And still say while it sucked did not work out I have no issue - in fact I like - that our owner was willing to make a deal that I believe the FO badly wanted them to make (never mind all the other teams involved).

Wish our baseball owner had a will to win like this.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

But you don't know this...meaning someone might have offered the same. You certainly don't know we offered more "by a large margin".

and of course there is this.....all the teams going after him likely assumed he could still play at the very least close to the level he did in Houston right? If not the same or better since was only 26-27.

More to come if you will answer that.

The amount of guaranteed money sent shock waves around the league. It was widely reported that the other teams were pissed that the Browns were resetting the market. That would include the other teams in the running for Watson.

The fact that no team has offered a fully guaranteed contract since Watson, and yrars later until Josh Allen signed his most contract, Watson's contract was the largest guaranted figure in the entire league. More than Lamar's recent contract. more than all of them

You put all this together and it's obvious the Browns' offer was substantially higher than the others.

Your bias is preventing you from seeing things clearly.

 

[dtgold88]

The amount of guaranteed money sent shock waves around the league. It was widely reported that the other teams were pissed that the Browns were resetting the market. That would include the other teams in the running for Watson.

The fact that no team has offered a fully guaranteed contract since Watson, and yrars later until Josh Allen signed his most contract, Watson's contract was the largest guaranted figure in the entire league. More than Lamar's recent contract. more than all of them

You put all this together and it's obvious the Browns' offer was substantially higher than the others.

Your bias is preventing you from seeing things clearly.

Hello.....Cousins got a fully guaranteed deal BEFORE Watson. I also noticed like most irrational people you were scared to answer my last question. Not surprising....maybe you could surprise and answer it this time. Simple yes or no would work.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Hello.....Cousins got a fully guaranteed deal BEFORE Watson. I also noticed like most irrational people you were scared to answer my last question. Not surprising....maybe you could surprise and answer it this time. Simple yes or no would work.

Calm down. I'm not the poster emotionally invested and posting irrationally.

You're right I forgot about Cousins. He didn't come up in my quick search which was all the effort I was qoing to exIend on your team.

But that doesn't change anything. In an era when QB contracrs are sky rocketing other than Allen Watson STILL had the mosr guarantee of any contract signed and that was 3 years ago.

Now what was the question? Was it do I think at the time of the signing did the league think he was a franchise QB in his prime? Yes I do, and so did you and I. Not sure what that has to do with the debate which was about your team trying the hardest to sign a POS.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Sources: Purdy, 49ers reach 5-year, $265M deal

Brock Purdy, the last pick in the 2022 NFL draft who has gone on to become a Pro Bowler, is finalizing a 5-year, $265M deal with the 49ers, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

www.espn.com

Beautiful... absolutely beautiful.

Thank you 49ers for overpaying for him.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Sources: Purdy, 49ers reach 5-year, $265M deal

Brock Purdy, the last pick in the 2022 NFL draft who has gone on to become a Pro Bowler, is finalizing a 5-year, $265M deal with the 49ers, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

www.espn.com

Beautiful... absolutely beautiful.

Thank you 49ers for overpaying for him.

Thats not an overpay anymore. You need to update your vision of value at the QB position. This is the going rate for a team that wants to give their starting QB a 2nd contract.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Thats not an overpay anymore. You need to update your vision of value at the QB position. This is the going rate for a team that wants to give their starting QB a 2nd contract.

You consider Purdy worth about $45M APY (based on guaranteed)? For Purdy...

Who had 1 GOOD year with a STACKED team and did nothing last year (going 6 wins against a division which was supposed to suck) and ending the season with arm injuries?

C'mon fightin... I'd pay like $291.92 a year for your posting rights on this forum but you're nowhere near worth $500 like @Caliskinsfan

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You consider Purdy worth about $45M APY (based on guaranteed)? For Purdy...

Who had 1 GOOD year with a STACKED team and did nothing last year (going 6 wins against a division which was supposed to suck) and ending the season with arm injuries?

C'mon fightin... I'd pay like $291.92 a year for your posting rights on this forum but you're nowhere near worth $500 like @Caliskinsfan

It was like the Jags and Lawrence. What choice did the Niners have?

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

It was like the Jags and Lawrence. What choice did the Niners have?

Honestly at the price? Go for Darnold (maybe they did) given the coaching link and pay significantly less for that with an option to go QB instead of taking 5 questionable defensive players in a row in the draft.

Whatever. I'm absolutely ecstatic today. This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

And I like Cards fans and can stomach the Rams fans on this forum. I never could stand the 9ers fans (although I think they've all been terminated).

The 49ers are STUCK (with how this will be structured) with Purdy for 3 years.. and that is FINE by me at that price. Purdy doesn't and never did scare anyone. It was a healthy Williams, Kittle, Samuel, Aiyuk, and CMAC along with their non injured elite defense that did.

 

[PDay8810]

The 49ers are STUCK (with how this will be structured) with Purdy for 3 years.. and that is FINE by me at that price. Purdy doesn't and never did scare anyone. It was a healthy Williams, Kittle, Samuel, Aiyuk, and CMAC along with their non injured elite defense that did.

I respect the game way too much to assume anything other than you're trolling.




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[fightinfunbags]

You consider Purdy worth about $45M APY (based on guaranteed)? For Purdy...

Who had 1 GOOD year with a STACKED team and did nothing last year (going 6 wins against a division which was supposed to suck) and ending the season with arm injuries?

C'mon fightin... I'd pay like $291.92 a year for your posting rights on this forum but you're nowhere near worth $500 like @Caliskinsfan

Don’t hate the player, hate the game. I’m telling you this is the going rate. Look at everybody who has resigned. The decision is this:
Give the guy $50 million per year or part ways with him.

 

[Moab]

Don’t hate the player, hate the game. I’m telling you this is the going rate. Look at everybody who has resigned. The decision is this:
Give the guy $50 million per year or part ways with him.

Yup, you either believe in him and pay or let him walk. They made their decision and that's that...

 

[fightinfunbags]

I respect the game way too much to assume anything other than you're trolling.




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Yeah I don’t get it. He’s not a top ten QB in my eyes but he’s a legitimate NFL starter in a league where I think there’s actually only 18-19 legit starters to begin with. You pay that guy instead of spinning the QB wheel again. That position is too risky. So many failed prospects.

They’re going to be net ahead when they look back at his 49er career because they got plus cheap years for him and he wasn’t round one cheap, he was round 7 cheap.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Don’t hate the player, hate the game. I’m telling you this is the going rate. Look at everybody who has resigned. The decision is this:
Give the guy $50 million per year or part ways with him.

If you believe he's the #1 QB of your team and a top 5 guy who can take you to the SuperBowl.. fine.

I don't believe Purdy for a moment is. And of the top 10 list, at least 5 have been vastly overpaid.

NFL is starting to see the QB position dying a bit. I think the NFL is moving back to a more balanced system. Jalen Hurts is NOT anywhere the SOLE reason the Eagles won the SuperBowl (and as such is not paid anywhere close... it's not a bargain, he's just playing as his value). He was a component of it, but that's about it. And he gets rammed up the ass well (joking but you catch my drift).

And before you Iggles fans start to flip the fuck out... I'm paying absolute tremendous respect to Roseman. Hurts can be replaced IMO (although perhaps not at the cost, but is $20M more per worth what you get? NO - IMO). I think Roseman knows that. And I think he's ahead of the curve and the NFL orgs are trying to catch up.

 

[fightinfunbags]

If you believe he's the #1 QB of your team and a top 5 guy who can take you to the SuperBowl.. fine.

Top 5 QB money right now comes in around 56-60 based on the way the market is.

I don't believe Purdy for a moment is. And of the top 10 list, at least 5 have been vastly overpaid.

If you’re saying 5 guys are vastly overpaid that’s some solid evidence that you’ve lost sight of what the value for QB is or you’re married to an older position and you can’t roll with the punches when markets are constantly changing and evolving.

NFL is starting to see the QB position dying a bit. I think the NFL is moving back to a more balanced system. Jalen Hurts is NOT anywhere the SOLE reason the Eagles won the SuperBowl (and as such is not paid anywhere close... it's not a bargain, he's just playing as his value). He was a component of it, but that's about it. And I'd argue he was a small component of it that has an ability to take it up the ass.

Hurts is a $50 million dollar a year QB. It’s just that the Eagles manipulate the cap so that his money vs the cap this past year was only $18 million.

What you’re saying here is that it’s good to have a roster with a ton of good football players. I think that’s a given.

Brady routinely took major discounts to play with the Pats. That hardly counts.