2025 Draft discussion thread

[LGM]

Please stop!

There is only one Joker in Denver. And he doesn’t play for the Broncos!

True. In fact, he's the only one playing on that team right now.

 

[SpringStein]

True. In fact, he's the only one playing on that team right now.

Absolutely limping to the finish line. Case in point tonight - he has 41 points, 15 rebounds and 13 assists and they lose to the Pacers. At home.

They will be out in round 1 if Murray doesn’t get back in the lineup.

 

[nflbronco]

Absolutely limping to the finish line. Case in point tonight - he has 41 points, 15 rebounds and 13 assists and they lose to the Pacers. At home.

They will be out in round 1 if Murray doesn’t get back in the lineup.

They really tied themselves up while ruining Jokers prime.

 

[Draft Crazy]

They won a Title with him.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Draft is 1 day closer then yesterday..

 

[cdumler7]

They really tied themselves up while ruining Jokers prime.

Yup...usually not good business to give non-All Stars max contracts. You can weather one of those types of deals but not two. Then throw in some key guys being down with injury and depth already being an issue before the season started. Just sucks to waste such an incredible season by Jokic.

 

[58crash]

Savion Williams is definitely not playing TE in the NFL. Dude was TCU’s leading rusher this year.

He is odd ... in a good way ... He is physical as all get up . I am not sure how you use him .. his hands are stone it looks like at times .. most X Qb's turn into TE's ... He is fun to watch So I could see Payton wanting him .. gimmick player ... Payton seemed to do something behind the curtains to make franklin track the football better latter on in the Season . Maybe Payton can fix the butterfingers.

 

[cdumler7]

My issue with guys like Savion is I don't know how much we are going to be able to use him over the next couple of years. He needs a ton of development and other than a few plays a game designed towards him I just don't know how you get him onto this roster. And is it worth having a guy like that when you are already trying to design plays for Mims?

For me I'm looking at WR's that I think can hit the ground running and help us take advantage of the Nix rookie contract and then also of course be contributors beyond that. It is partly why for me Egbuka is really high on my list of wants at pick 20. I also like the idea of trading back a bit out of pick 20 and then taking a guy like Higgins. Not sure he makes it to our 2nd round pick.

 

[58crash]

My issue with guys like Savion is I don't know how much we are going to be able to use him over the next couple of years. He needs a ton of development and other than a few plays a game designed towards him I just don't know how you get him onto this roster. And is it worth having a guy like that when you are already trying to design plays for Mims?

For me I'm looking at WR's that I think can hit the ground running and help us take advantage of the Nix rookie contract and then also of course be contributors beyond that. It is partly why for me Egbuka is really high on my list of wants at pick 20. I also like the idea of trading back a bit out of pick 20 and then taking a guy like Higgins. Not sure he makes it to our 2nd round pick.

They don't exist in this draft . and the one that would have helped us is in Cleveland .... I do like or WR we have on the team . TE and RB's and couple RFA's WR after the draft to see if we get lucky ... LOL think how Chris Harris became a Bronco he was the last RFA we got that year and was a after thought . The coach was told want a fast one or ...... they chose ...

 

[Draft Crazy]

I think Savion would be easy to use while he is developing as a WR. Sure, you don't give him 100 snaps but he fills a few roles. That's what I like about him. He has a lot of upside as a WR and you can use him in different ways early on as he develops at WR.

I have always been an advocate for if we draft a WR it has to be better then what we already have. (Which means to me we have to draft one early) barring Payton/Paton think they have some super sleeper late which is very possible. I think you have some safety net with Savion though because of his versatility. He is a WR that doesn't exactly have to be better then what we already have if you use his versatility to your advantage as an "x" factor. Sure, you don't want him being your #1 WR right now or your #1 RB... But with his size and playmaking ability you can use him early and develop him. He is like a nice car that you need to find the extra special gas for to get him filled up and at first it might be half full.

(This is where if I was someone who didn't agree with this I would mention Lynn Bowden not working out)

 

[cdumler7]

I think Savion would be easy to use while he is developing as a WR. Sure, you don't give him 100 snaps but he fills a few roles. That's what I like about him. He has a lot of upside as a WR and you can use him in different ways early on as he develops at WR.

I have always been an advocate for if we draft a WR it has to be better then what we already have. (Which means to me we have to draft one early) barring Payton/Paton think they have some super sleeper late which is very possible. I think you have some safety net with Savion though because of his versatility. He is a WR that doesn't exactly have to be better then what we already have if you use his versatility to your advantage as an "x" factor. Sure, you don't want him being your #1 WR right now or your #1 RB... But with his size and playmaking ability you can use him early and develop him. He is like a nice car that you need to find the extra special gas for to get him filled up and at first it might be half full.

(This is where if I was someone who didn't agree with this I would mention Lynn Bowden not working out)

I'm just interested more in how are we using the back end of our WR room special teams wise. Not sure Franklin is that type of WR. Vele could be decent at it if given more run on special teams, but he also might be our #2 WR this year so not sure how much you want him having to do that with the work he will be doing on offense. So anyone you draft that isn't helping day 1 on offense better be helping big time on special teams.

And I just worry a little bit about his ability to handle an NFL offense. Teams were asking him to diagnose plays at the combine and he couldn't do it. He told them all I know on that play is hand the ball to me and I go score a touchdown. Which is pretty funny, but for a guy like Payton I can't see that being an answer he likes.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Yeah Franklin isn't gonna play ST's. He is purely a WR. Sherfield obviously will play ST's. I think that is why it was so important for us to go out and sign Sherfield. We needed a WR to contribute in that way. Hopefully we don't have to depend on Sherfield at WR but he at least fills a roll as a depth WR and standout ST's player. Mims obviously is a ST's stand out/ pro bowler returner, even was a gunner at times last year before we unleashed him at WR.

I don't think if asked Vele would make much of an impression on ST's nor do I think we will ask him to.

Savion may not be the smartest player in the world but he isn't an idiot either. He can get open. His hands do need to improve. It all comes down to how a team uses him and I would't expect a pro bowler out of Savion Williams but i do think Sean Payton could use him well. The problem could go come down to "we already use Marvin Mims" that way if Payton wants to use Mims like he did late in the year last year which I think and hope he does. Savion isn't better then what we have at WR now but he has the ability to be used different. Just depends on what team has a role for him like that.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Florida DT Cam Jackson super underrated going into this draft. To me he was probably the most impressive player on the Florida defense the past two seasons. He and Cam Banks (who returned to college) very good players.

Cormani McClain has turned it around, see what he shows during the season.

 

[58crash]

This is why this Draft is a good one to trade down DT, RB and TE's ..We are in need of ! plenty to be had. I would like 2 of them

 

[cdumler7]

Yeah Franklin isn't gonna play ST's. He is purely a WR. Sherfield obviously will play ST's. I think that is why it was so important for us to go out and sign Sherfield. We needed a WR to contribute in that way. Hopefully we don't have to depend on Sherfield at WR but he at least fills a roll as a depth WR and standout ST's player. Mims obviously is a ST's stand out/ pro bowler returner, even was a gunner at times last year before we unleashed him at WR.

I don't think if asked Vele would make much of an impression on ST's nor do I think we will ask him to.

Savion may not be the smartest player in the world but he isn't an idiot either. He can get open. His hands do need to improve. It all comes down to how a team uses him and I would't expect a pro bowler out of Savion Williams but i do think Sean Payton could use him well. The problem could go come down to "we already use Marvin Mims" that way if Payton wants to use Mims like he did late in the year last year which I think and hope he does. Savion isn't better then what we have at WR now but he has the ability to be used different. Just depends on what team has a role for him like that.

Agreed. I think that is my main concern is it takes away from Mims and how the Broncos want to unleash him. Would rather go for a more traditional WR type especially with not knowing the future of Sutton at this time. Getting a guy like Egbuka for example I think would be a really nice compliment to what we have already in that room. That does mean then using our 1st round pick on him though, but I am good with that knowing we will be getting a very high floor player that can hit the ground running helping in the pass and run game.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Agreed. I think that is my main concern is it takes away from Mims and how the Broncos want to unleash him. Would rather go for a more traditional WR type especially with not knowing the future of Sutton at this time. Getting a guy like Egbuka for example I think would be a really nice compliment to what we have already in that room. That does mean then using our 1st round pick on him though, but I am good with that knowing we will be getting a very high floor player that can hit the ground running helping in the pass and run game.

agree. If we go WR it only really makes sense if it is something different and better then what we have now. Like I said, that isn't to say we won't take one late if Payton/Paton has a good enough grade on one for value purposes.

I am curious with the new return rules if Mims will be a bigger part of our offense after the end of the season (like he should be) do we dare take him off return duties to keep him healthy? Hard to take him off as he is a game changer but he should also be a bigger part of our offense. I am going to guess you will still see him on return duties for awhile and maybe off as he gets a bit older. Of course that is assuming he takes another plunge forward as a WR and is used better like he was later in the year.

 

[BHamita15]

I think Savion would be easy to use while he is developing as a WR. Sure, you don't give him 100 snaps but he fills a few roles. That's what I like about him. He has a lot of upside as a WR and you can use him in different ways early on as he develops at WR.

I have always been an advocate for if we draft a WR it has to be better then what we already have. (Which means to me we have to draft one early) barring Payton/Paton think they have some super sleeper late which is very possible. I think you have some safety net with Savion though because of his versatility. He is a WR that doesn't exactly have to be better then what we already have if you use his versatility to your advantage as an "x" factor. Sure, you don't want him being your #1 WR right now or your #1 RB... But with his size and playmaking ability you can use him early and develop him. He is like a nice car that you need to find the extra special gas for to get him filled up and at first it might be half full.

(This is where if I was someone who didn't agree with this I would mention Lynn Bowden not working out)

He's Taysom Hill like in that he can take those snaps as a wildcat QB and run a read option. He also reportedly has a bazooka for an arm, but not as polished as a guy like Hill. The question for Williams, because like you pointed out, he is not better than the trio(Mims, Franklin Vele) is can be perform those other roles to a high enough standard to let him develop as a WR?

With the depth chart being:
1. Sutton
2. Mims
3. Franklin
4. Vele
5. Sherfield

The Broncos week 1 and week 18 roster had 5 WRs on it. Obviously Sherfield's contract isn't a killer if we need to cut him but who contributes more?

Sherfield as an elite blocker and special teamer vs. WIlliams as a versatile weapon. If we keep 6, does Williams do enough to claim that spot?

 

[Draft Crazy]

He's Taysom Hill like in that he can take those snaps as a wildcat QB and run a read option. He also reportedly has a bazooka for an arm, but not as polished as a guy like Hill. The question for Williams, because like you pointed out, he is not better than the trio(Mims, Franklin Vele) is can be perform those other roles to a high enough standard to let him develop as a WR?

With the depth chart being:
1. Sutton
2. Mims
3. Franklin
4. Vele
5. Sherfield

The Broncos week 1 and week 18 roster had 5 WRs on it. Obviously Sherfield's contract isn't a killer if we need to cut him but who contributes more?

Sherfield as an elite blocker and special teamer vs. WIlliams as a versatile weapon. If we keep 6, does Williams do enough to claim that spot?

YES!!!!

 

[Draft Crazy]

He's Taysom Hill like in that he can take those snaps as a wildcat QB and run a read option. He also reportedly has a bazooka for an arm, but not as polished as a guy like Hill. The question for Williams, because like you pointed out, he is not better than the trio(Mims, Franklin Vele) is can be perform those other roles to a high enough standard to let him develop as a WR?

With the depth chart being:
1. Sutton
2. Mims
3. Franklin
4. Vele
5. Sherfield

The Broncos week 1 and week 18 roster had 5 WRs on it. Obviously Sherfield's contract isn't a killer if we need to cut him but who contributes more?

Sherfield as an elite blocker and special teamer vs. WIlliams as a versatile weapon. If we keep 6, does Williams do enough to claim that spot?

Great post Ben.

 

[Draft Crazy]

My gut feeling is our early picks are on offense and our day 3 picks are mostly defense.