POLL Top 10 poll #19: #19 player in history - Runoff

[LHG]

Speaking of DiMaggio, yeah there's a 'mystique' bonus with him but it's just an add on. Mystique alone doesn't get you there or people would be repping Jeter or Reggie or Ripken more. You need to be in the mix then mystique gets you bonus points, like DiMaggio and Koufax and Cy Young

The seven hitters I compared, I believe, are the ones who are the top 7 to pick. Yes, DiMaggio is in the mix, but I think his mystique is giving him bonus points over the other 6.
And mystique is really giving Griffey, Jr a boost. The fact that he is getting serious looks now has mainly to do with his mystique.

 

[wazzu31]

The seven hitters I compared, I believe, are the ones who are the top 7 to pick. Yes, DiMaggio is in the mix, but I think his mystique is giving him bonus points over the other 6.
And mystique is really giving Griffey, Jr a boost. The fact that he is getting serious looks now has mainly to do with his mystique.

And he was the greatest player of his generation

 

[LHG]

And he was the greatest player of his generation

DiMaggio or Griffey, Jr?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

DiMaggio or Griffey, Jr?

lol. Neither.

 

[LHG]

lol. Neither.

I was asking wazzu31 which player he was referring to. You are correct, neither were the greatest of their generation. Top 5 to 10 but not greatest.

 

[msgkings322]

I was asking wazzu31 which player he was referring to. You are correct, neither were the greatest of their generation. Top 5 to 10 but not greatest.

DiMaggio was 2nd best player of his era. Who else but Williams do you have above him?

 

[LHG]

DiMaggio was 2nd best player of his era. Who else but Williams do you have above him?

Players with significant overlap in their careers (year played when DiMaggio was active):
Ted Williams (1939-1951)
Stan Musial (1941-1951)
Mel Ott (1939-1947)
Jimmie Foxx (1939-1945)

 

[msgkings322]

Players with significant overlap in their careers (year played when DiMaggio was active):
Ted Williams (1939-1951)
Stan Musial (1941-1951)
Mel Ott (1939-1947)
Jimmie Foxx (1939-1945)

Our list puts him 3rd among those which seems right to me

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Our list puts him 3rd among those which seems right to me

you cant use this list to prove your point... when the argument being made is that he doesnt belong where he was voted...

 

[msgkings322]

you cant use this list to prove your point... when the argument being made is that he doesnt belong where he was voted...

Does anyone else see this guy's posts? Who let him in here?

 

[calsnowskier]

Does anyone else see this guy's posts? Who let him in here?

STFU

He has been the primary participant in this project from day 1. He has opinions just like you do.

Don’t be an internet doosh.

 

[msgkings322]

STFU

He has been the primary participant in this project from day 1. He has opinions just like you do.

Don’t be an internet doosh.

He's being pretty dooshy with my take here, I was gently teasing him back. But whatever I've moved on.

 

[LHG]

Our list puts him 3rd among those which seems right to me

I could be wrong, but it seems that DiMaggio is this high for you because of name recognition. I've not seen a post from you that shows how he is better than some of the other players that have been suggested for that last post, in a way that shows quantifiable data. DiMaggio is good, I just think that there are other players not yet ranked who were better.

 

[msgkings322]

I could be wrong, but it seems that DiMaggio is this high for you because of name recognition. I've not seen a post from you that shows how he is better than some of the other players that have been suggested for that last post, in a way that shows quantifiable data. DiMaggio is good, I just think that there are other players not yet ranked who were better.

I feel like you and Milk and others are really underrating him considering all he accomplished including defensively, missing 3 prime years, not staying around for accumulation over multiple mediocre years (like Pujols), etc. The mystique counts but it's just an add on. There's a reason he is on a lot of lists and Foxx and Ott don't show up on them and it's not just mystique, DiMaggio was the real deal dude.

I'm simply not going to only vote numbers here, impact/mystique/legend matters for these lists (same with Henderson for example) IMO. And DiMaggio's numbers and accolades are very worthy. He's not top 10 for sure, top 20 is appropriate.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

He's being pretty dooshy with my take here, I was gently teasing him back. But whatever I've moved on.

not quite dooshy... just chalenging your reasonings... you posted your reason, and i questioned it... that is all... and again, i have no problem with the legend/hero feels reasoning... in fact, i get it... Dimaggio feels like he is much better than Pujols...

but you are saying it is based on the numbers... and that is insane IMO... and something you can actually argue if you wanted... but you just "DISMISS"

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I feel like you and Milk and others are really underrating him considering all he accomplished including defensively, missing 3 prime years, not staying around for accumulation over multiple mediocre years (like Pujols), etc. The mystique counts but it's just an add on. There's a reason he is on a lot of lists and Foxx and Ott don't show up on them and it's not just mystique, DiMaggio was the real deal dude.

I'm simply not going to only vote numbers here, impact/mystique/legend matters for these lists (same with Henderson for example) IMO. And DiMaggio's numbers and accolades are very worthy. He's not top 10 for sure, top 20 is appropriate.

your last paragraph is where i am confused... i am all with you until the last 2 sentences... His legend status is unmeasurable... i am ok with that being the reason... but then dont say his numbers and accolades are worthy... because they are not...

 

[msgkings322]

not quite dooshy... just chalenging your reasonings... you posted your reason, and i questioned it... that is all... and again, i have no problem with the legend/hero feels reasoning... in fact, i get it... Dimaggio feels like he is much better than Pujols...

but you are saying it is based on the numbers... and that is insane IMO... and something you can actually argue if you wanted... but you just "DISMISS"

It's both...his numbers are great plus the legend, top 20 is very appropriate

 

[msgkings322]

your last paragraph is where i am confused... i am all with you until the last 2 sentences... His legend status is unmeasurable... i am ok with that being the reason... but then dont say his numbers and accolades are worthy... because they are not...

It's BOTH. Just like Rickey is both, his numbers alone probably don't get him this high.

Jackie Robinson is an example of legend without the numbers to put him this high. You're acting like DiMaggio was just a pretty good player or something. He was a great player plus a hero.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

It's BOTH. Just like Rickey is both, his numbers alone probably don't get him this high.

Jackie Robinson is an example of legend without the numbers to put him this high. You're acting like DiMaggio was just a pretty good player or something. He was a great player plus a hero.

you keep on bringing up henderson... he is not similar at all... the reason Henderson is so high is because he is a unicorn and its hard to measure the things he did ON THE FIELD... being the best baserunner of all time is not measured well...

Joe D is not the same... everything he has done on the field is measured as accurately as anyone else... using the same formulas and same stats as everyone else... its his LEGEND that we cant measure... but that is more about the fans than the player....

but again... i am ok with the FEELS reasons... its once you bring the on the field reasons is where i am confused... and even saying it is both is just a cop out... because all these players are great thats why they are in discussion...

sure, i am picking on you... but it really isnt even intended to be AT YOU... i am just trying to understand whether people really think Joe D was THAT good or if it is just the legend status...

 

[calsnowskier]

not quite dooshy... just chalenging your reasonings... you posted your reason, and i questioned it... that is all... and again, i have no problem with the legend/hero feels reasoning... in fact, i get it... Dimaggio feels like he is much better than Pujols...

but you are saying it is based on the numbers... and that is insane IMO... and something you can actually argue if you wanted... but you just "DISMISS"

You and I have have gone at it in this project. I think we have handled it like adults. I have learned from you and I hope you have learned from me.

That rarely comes without challenging preconceived ideas or others’ new ideas. In life, accepting all widely held “facts” is lazy. Without discussion, you are nothing but a lemming.