Payne 4 yrs 90m to stay with Skins

[gkekoa]

To trade I guess?

Allen and Payne will hopefully be starting for the next 4 years. Like I said, we have excellent starters and depth on the Dline. We have neither on the OLine.

I think the mathis pick was an unnecessary pick. You don't draft 2nd rounders to re-enforce your strongest unit on the field. I feel we have been careless with early round picks then last 2 years. We needleessly gave up a 3rd for Wentz and a DT in Mathis with our 2nd. The lack of strategy is my concern. Early round picks should be valued, not treated carelessly. They should be the core and lifeblood of the team. Rivera treats them as if they are worthless.

You draft the best player possible at your selection because they have the best shot of being successful, Now, we Have two starters and hopefully a very good backup in Mathis. Now, you don’t take DT even if you stretch the next pick.

 

[kbso83432]

 

[skinsdad62]

looks to be a team friendly deal with the ability to get out of it with little pain (pardon the pun ) if he stays he comes in at apy of 23 per yr , a little higher the projected however with the contract allen signed it balances out . sweat lookks to come in cheaper and clowney , who knows ?

as for mathis i will take the depth and if he works out you have assets to trade

 

[kbso83432]

 

[Sportster 72]

looks to be a team friendly deal with the ability to get out of it with little pain (pardon the pun ) if he stays he comes in at apy of 23 per yr , a little higher the projected however with the contract allen signed it balances out . sweat lookks to come in cheaper and clowney , who knows ?

as for mathis i will take the depth and if he works out you have assets to trade

Young has cost the team $23 million for 9 sacks in his first three years. He will cost just under $11 million this year. $17+ million for his 5th year option. If he is not top 5 in sacks this coming year I don't sign him to his 5th year option.

 

[kbso83432]

2.5m cap hit for 2023. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sportster 72]

Add $7 million for each of those years for his signing bonus.

 

[kbso83432]

Add $7 million for each of those years for his signing bonus.

So is that 9.5 against the cap or 2.5? How does that work?

 

[gkekoa]

So is that 9.5 against the cap or 2.5? How does that work?

9…whoever that guy was doesn’t understand the cap,

 

[gkekoa]

Young has cost the team $23 million for 9 sacks in his first three years. He will cost just under $11 million this year. $17+ million for his 5th year option. If he is not top 5 in sacks this coming year I don't sign him to his 5th year option.

So you want 15 sacks or cut him?

10 isn’t enough for a guy that could finally be healthy?

 

[Sportster 72]

So is that 9.5 against the cap or 2.5? How does that work?

Yes sir, they are saving a little over $9 million from the tag amount. Payne is here for at least three more years based on the $60 million guaranteed. He will only be 26 at the start of season .... I think this is a good signing.

 

[Rowdy]

One thing about Ron and his staff. I believe they do actually reward the ones that put in the work and dedication. He said after the season payne done everything they asked of him and they needed to take care of him

 

[Sportster 72]

Let's see if he can get 10 and then we can debate.

Sweat has best year was 9 sacks, Young's best year was 7.5. Need more production from a DE than that.

 

[deanpet21]

One thing about Ron and his staff. I believe they do actually reward the ones that put in the work and dedication. He said after the season payne done everything they asked of him and they needed to take care of him

This is true. With the drafting of Mathis I thought they were going to trade Payne. They rewarded him with a long-term deal b/c of the production last year. Alot of depth at DT. Mathis and Ridgeway are the backups. We are not paying any big money to a QB this year so that probably helps.

 

[Sportster 72]

Mathis costs a total of $6 million and Ridgeway costs a total of $3 million for the next three years so not too bad.

 

[skinsdad62]

This is true. With the drafting of Mathis I thought they were going to trade Payne. They rewarded him with a long-term deal b/c of the production last year. Alot of depth at DT. Mathis and Ridgeway are the backups. We are not paying any big money to a QB this year so that probably helps.

One very smart moderator knew all the time that drafting Mathis meant nothing and halfway through the d/line process I have been right about having the money to keep the d/line together if and I mean if we want to . A new coach and owner might decide to put resources elsewhere but that’s a choice not a force

 

[deanpet21]

One very smart moderator knew all the time that drafting Mathis meant nothing and halfway through the d/line process I have been right about having the money to keep the d/line together if and I mean if we want to . A new coach and owner might decide to put resources elsewhere but that’s a choice not a force

lol. from what i recall you were upset at the Mathis pick, and we took him way to high. Am I wrong? If Payne didnt have the year that he had does he get this long-term deal? It doesn't hurt that we are paying nothing for a QB as of right now.

 

[chillerdab]

lots of revisionist history on this message board. rampant.

 

[skinsdad62]

lol. from what i recall you were upset at the Mathis pick, and we took him way to high. Am I wrong? If Payne didnt have the year that he had does he get this long-term deal?

Yes it’s a bad pick for sure but it didn’t mean Payne was on the way out as portrayed . The Mathis pick was a bad pick

I don’t know what revisionist history is being referred to but I have said all along and I have budget posts showing how we could keep our d/ line intact for over 2 yrs now.

so for the record I criticized the Dotson pick , feeling he could have been picked later , the Mathis pick because it didn’t address a need , the Robinson pick because he could have been had later. Those were my reasonings at the time

and you can go back and search engine any damn thing you like

 

[duke1861]

lol. from what i recall you were upset at the Mathis pick, and we took him way to high. Am I wrong? If Payne didnt have the year that he had does he get this long-term deal? It doesn't hurt that we are paying nothing for a QB as of right now.

The point is that the 2nd round pick should have been used to address a starting need....not a depth need.

Hopefully, Mathis turns out to be a fine player, but looking back, it was obvious that we should have used the pick on an actually starting need instead of re-enforcing depth with our strongest unit on the field.

We basically have four 1st round picks starting on DLine, and a 2nd rounder as a backup. We have 90 million guaranteed to the starting DTs. THis is not the worst thing in the world.

Meanwhile, we will most likely start Howell or TH if we bring him back as Keim has suggested, with the same OLine with a few bargain bend signees. We still don't know if CB or OLine will be the 1st round pick. Bottom line is we do not have the proper cap to properly address the OLine at this time, even though we had the 25th-ranked offense and the 3rd-ranked defense.

The most successful teams have talent all over the field and not solely invested in a few units. That philosophy is what separates the Commanders from let's say the Chiefs for example. The Chiefs have talent on the OLine, WR, DL, LB, Secondary, and RB units. Rivera has decided to heavily invest in DLine and WR. I disagree with that approach as it exposes other units on the field that eventually torpedo the team. We all complained about TH and Wentz running for their lives last year, but now, we have about 24 million to address that major problem along with finding a starter at CB and LB.

In other words, yes, the 2022 2nd rounder should and could have been used to address one of those major starting needs. I am pulling for Mathis, but I didn't like the pick from the perspective of position. I understand I am in the minority here and could not care less if I get "likes" for my comments.

If we use the same logic for 2023, let's take a DE with our 2nd rounder because we don't know if Sweat will resign or not. Does that move make sense?