commanders off season thread

[deanpet21]

He CAN still play. The issue is how well he can play vs. what he costs.

When a QB is in entering his 7th year in the NFL, you can't talk about his "upside" b/c you've already seen it. Yes, he is an improvement over TH and the others--that is a fact. You're getting a significantly better QB than you had last year.

Exactly. TH is not a starting quality QB. Wentz is. The issue is much like the Niners issue with Jimmy--how good is Good Jimmy and often do we see him versus how bad is Bad Jimmy and often we see him and is balance of that worth what we are paying him?

Tell that to these guys

 

[duke1861]

hogshaven.com. I actually posted the poll on here for you. The Giants and Panthers are not as good as us. no one said this is a flawless organization. We disagree on the Wentz trade. That is a big move for the Eagles getting Bradberry. The cowboys are still the team to beat in the division. I thknk we can split the Philly/Cowboys series.

So to clarify, Dallas will have 11+ wins correct as the are the team to beat?

The Eagles are clearly better than WSH so I am assuming that they reach 11 wins in your logic as well?

So to confirm, you believe 3 teams in the NFC East will get to 11 wins?

 

[skinsdad62]

we gave up way to much to get wince . at best i would have offered a 3rd and if they didnt take it , so what ? then we took on his salary and then lacked the courage to unilaterally rework his deal to a team friendly one .

if they truly thought he was the anointed savior then why not commit to him ? why not give him the guaranteed money for the next 3 yrs and allow this "win now " franchise the ability to get some FA"s

every year we get the "well this time its the year , its different this time buddy " crap and we end up with maybe one good year ( never 10 wins ) and then we fall off a cliff

we have to draft better to have a sustainable good team that can compete for championships and beat anyone lined up against us . we cant beat the elite teams game in and game out and that is the rub . you cant be better then avg if you consistently accept avg

avg FA'S , avg drafts , avg coaching below avg training constant turmoil and corruption . there is no plan to fix any of this

i dont care if wince throws for 40tds 3 ints rushes for 1000 yds and passes for 5000 because the following year they will end up 5-12

 

[chillerdab]

Just because you said I would take it , I will not . Don’t ever assume what I will take and what I will not

Like twisted sister, eh?

First things first - gotta go 11-5, which is definitely NOT a given.

 

[duke1861]

I thought you said you would rather have Ryan?

For the record, I would not want to trade for either QB.

If I had a preference, yes, it would have been for Ryan as he is a better QB. Again, I would not want to trade for either one.

I could not care less what a poll on hog haven says. You are now changing your story. You said 70-80% of fans polled "liked the trade". That is NOT what the article says. It says that 76% of polled Commanders fans preferred Wentz over Ryan. It said nothing about "generally" liking the trade in that article.

 

[deanpet21]

So to clarify, Dallas will have 11+ wins correct as the are the team to beat?

The Eagles are clearly better than WSH so I am assuming that they reach 11 wins in your logic as well?

So to confirm, you believe 3 teams in the NFC East will get to 11 wins?

I think we are even with the Eagles. IF everything falls right, no injuries and Wentz plays well I think we can get 11.

 

[skinsdad62]

Like twisted sister, eh?

First things first - gotta go 11-5, which is definitely NOT a given.

i dont see 11 wins 9 tops

 

[deanpet21]

For the record, I would not want to trade for either QB.

If I had a preference, yes, it would have been for Ryan as he is a better QB. Again, I would not want to trade for either one.

I could not care less what a poll on hog haven says. You are now changing your story. You said 70-80% of fans polled "liked the trade". That is NOT what the article says. It says that 76% of polled Commanders fans preferred Wentz over Ryan. It said nothing about "generally" liking the trade in that article.

Fine, I think Wentz is a better QB than Ryan right now. I remember you were talking up Ryan, that is why I posted the poll.

 

[chillerdab]

i dont see 11 wins 9 tops

If Wentz plays like he did in 2017 or 2019, I see 11 wins.

 

[skinsdad62]

For the record, I would not want to trade for either QB.

If I had a preference, yes, it would have been for Ryan as he is a better QB. Again, I would not want to trade for either one.

I could not care less what a poll on hog haven says. You are now changing your story. You said 70-80% of fans polled "liked the trade". That is NOT what the article says. It says that 76% of polled Commanders fans preferred Wentz over Ryan. It said nothing about "generally" liking the trade in that article.

ryan as a FA perhaps , mayfield as a FA perhaps , grap as a FA perhaps MM or MT as a FA perhaps , bridge water as a FA perhaps . all can get us 7-9 wins as wince can for far far less in resources

 

[skinsdad62]

Fine, I think Wentz is a better QB than Ryan right now. I remember you were talking up Ryan, that is why I posted the poll.

i would much rather have ryan and his leadership . the colts agree with me

 

[duke1861]

I think we are even with the Eagles. IF everything falls right, no injuries and Wentz plays well I think we can get 11.

Again, to clarify:

Dallas = 12 wins
Philly = 11 wins
WSH = 11 wins

Is this what you are saying? If that is the case, we will hands down be the best division in football. So you now believe we have taken the best division in football from the NFC West correct? TO clarify, you feel the NFC East is more competitive than the NFC West and AFC West correct?

 

[duke1861]

i would much rather have ryan and his leadership . the colts agree with me

CBS Sportline now has them as the projected AFC South Champs over TN.

Ryan had nothing except Pitts last year,

 

[duke1861]

Fine, I think Wentz is a better QB than Ryan right now. I remember you were talking up Ryan, that is why I posted the poll.

Can you show the poll where 70-80% of fans liked the Wentz trade please? You claim one exists.

The poll you posted was Wentz vs Ryan.

 

[deanpet21]

Again, to clarify:

Dallas = 12 wins
Philly = 11 wins
WSH = 11 wins

Is this what you are saying? If that is the case, we will hands down be the best division in football. So you now believe we have taken the best division in football from the NFC West correct? TO clarify, you feel the NFC East is more competitive than the NFC West and AFC West correct?

totally out of context. NFC East has the easiest schedule. So equates to more wins.

 

[deanpet21]

Can you show the poll where 70-80% of fans liked the Wentz trade please? You claim one exists.

The poll you posted was Wentz vs Ryan.

I thought there was multiple polls on hogshaven.

 

[deanpet21]

Again, to clarify:

Dallas = 12 wins
Philly = 11 wins
WSH = 11 wins

Is this what you are saying? If that is the case, we will hands down be the best division in football. So you now believe we have taken the best division in football from the NFC West correct? TO clarify, you feel the NFC East is more competitive than the NFC West and AFC West correct?

Did you make a record prediction? I dont remember.

 

[duke1861]

totally out of context. NFC East has the easiest schedule. So equates to more wins. Yes, I think we have a shot this year.

Ok, so help with the context please. You are literally claiming that 3 teams will have at least 11 wins in the NFC East. To the best of my knowledge, that has never happened in the NFL.
Can you please rank the following divisions: AFC West, NFC West and NFC East in terms of best divisions. I am struggling to understand your reasoning here as you believe 3 teams in a single division will get to 11 wins.

 

[duke1861]

I thought there was multiple polls on hogshaven.

Understood.

 

[duke1861]

Did you make a record prediction? I dont remember.

I did not.