Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[Iggloo]

Tlance, seriously I respect that you want to rep people with mental health issues, and I too think they are no joke. I happen to have close family with anxiety and depression issues and I am very familiar with those issues and believe I am pretty compassionate about them.

But Ben Simmons is not your best example here, let's be real.

 

[thunderc]

Actually,

Anybody with any intelligence doesn’t assume they know details like these about people they have never even met.

Because based on averages, there are people you know pretty well who are going through, or have been through mental health issues and you don’t even know it.

Most people tend not to talk about these things publicly.

Yeah ok, keep being wrong, and defying logic. The players union speaks up about literally everything they don’t think is right, but crickets on this. All I need to know.

 

[tlance]

Ben Simmons is basically saying his mental health issue is the Philadelphia 76ers. He has told people that he can't play for Philly, but that he is in good physical shape and that if he were traded he would be back on the court in a couple weeks. Let that sink in for a minute.

What is to stop any player in the future from saying, "Sorry I can't play for the Cavs anymore, my mental health issues are flaring up. I need to be traded to Lebron's team asap then I will be good" ????

Yep. What I have been saying all along.

Toxic work environment.

I find it funny that people on here rail about how soft Simmons is, then the next post talk about how his mental issues are fabricated.

He is soft, and he probably does have mental issues. These 2 ideas go together.

 

[Iggloo]

Simmons is already doing that.

This is only half true. He initially wasn't seeing a mental health specialist that he and the team had agreed on. When they fined him, he agreed to see a mental health specialist the two sides considered OK. But I don't think the Sixers know anything about what they have discussed. In fairness that is probably the right call, there should be privilege here between client and patient in mental health. But let's not act like Simmons wanted to do this. He only did it when his money was threatened.

 

[The Q]

This is only half true. He initially wasn't seeing a mental health specialist that he and the team had agreed on. When they fined him, he agreed to see a mental health specialist the two sides considered OK. But I don't think the Sixers know anything about what they have discussed. In fairness that is probably the right call, there should be privilege here between client and patient in mental health. But let's not act like Simmons wanted to do this. He only did it when his money was threatened.

He picked one that was verified through the players union.

That alone should suffice

 

[Mebert]

Maybe an aggressive take, but I think Ben Simmons is a poop face.

 

[thunderc]

This is only half true. He initially wasn't seeing a mental health specialist that he and the team had agreed on. When they fined him, he agreed to see a mental health specialist the two sides considered OK. But I don't think the Sixers know anything about what they have discussed. In fairness that is probably the right call, there should be privilege here between client and patient in mental health. But let's not act like Simmons wanted to do this. He only did it when his money was threatened.

And if it were a real mental health issue the money simply would not matter. He would get some support at least had he held out.

 

[wildturkey]

Tlance, seriously I respect that you want to rep people with mental health issues, and I too think they are no joke. I happen to have close family with anxiety and depression issues and I am very familiar with those issues and believe I am pretty compassionate about them.

But Ben Simmons is not your best example here, let's be real.

Yeah, I doubt its mental. We've got a track record with Simmons. There were numerous reports during his recruitment and LSU days that he (and his camp) are coddled, entitled, and difficult to deal with, especially if things didn't go exactly how they wanted it. It's surprising its gone this far, but its not surprising that another issue has come up in his pro career when something didn't go his way.

 

[mannyz]

Yep. What I have been saying all along.

Toxic work environment.

I find it funny that people on here rail about how soft Simmons is, then the next post talk about how his mental issues are fabricated.

He is soft, and he probably does have mental issues. These 2 ideas go together.

How is it so toxic, Embiid has already said he wants to play his whole career in Phila. If Simmons showed some effort in the playoff instead of being a pussyboy he would have been canonized in Phila.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yeah, I doubt its mental. We've got a track record with Simmons. There were numerous reports during his recruitment and LSU days that he (and his camp) are coddled, entitled, and difficult to deal with, especially if things didn't go exactly how they wanted it. It's surprising its gone this far, but its not surprising that another issue has come up in his pro career when something didn't go his way.

I get @tlance point, regarding potential mental issues. But the reports that his history is that he pouts and becomes difficult to deal with when he doesn't get his way, seems to speak more to immaturity than a bona fide mental issue.

 

[thunderc]

I get @tlance point, regarding potential mental issues. But the reports that his history is that he pouts and becomes difficult to deal with when he doesn't get his way, seems to speak more to immaturity than a bona fide mental issue.

Me too, but if there were even the hint of a possibility someone, anyone, would be supporting him.

 

[flyerhawk]

Simmons created the toxic work environment.

Him being upset that Doc didn't come to see him personally despite the fact that he refused to respond to his texts or calls is literally high school level nonsense.

IMO, he can't handle the fact his game has flaws. Which is why he doesn't work on those flaws and why he gets upsets when others point out those flaws.

 

[thunderc]

Simmons created the toxic work environment.

Him being upset that Doc didn't come to see him personally despite the fact that he refused to respond to his texts or calls is literally high school level nonsense.

IMO, he can't handle the fact his game has flaws. Which is why he doesn't work on those flaws and why he gets upsets when others point out those flaws.

Honestly that should be his ticket out of the league completely

 

[flyerhawk]

Honestly that should be his ticket out of the league completely

It won't be. He has too much talent. Which is the problem. His natural ability makes him a borderline all-star on its own and he seems to think that is all he needs to achieve.

 

[trojanfan12]

Simmons created the toxic work environment.

lol

Yeah, it's not like his coach threw him under the bus after a tough loss or anything. And of course, the organization immediately issued a response supporting him and had Doc walk back his comment, right? Right?

Simmons definitely is part of why the situation is toxic, but the Sixers, especially Doc, started it down that path.

 

[thunderc]

lol

Yeah, it's not like his coach threw him under the bus after a tough loss or anything. And of course, the organization immediately issued a response supporting him and had Doc walk back his comment, right? Right?

Simmons definitely is part of why the situation is toxic, but the Sixers, especially Doc, started it down that path.

I agree, but if it was the last straw it was the last straw. Can you imagine what they have been through with this guy all this time?

 

[flyerhawk]

lol

Yeah, it's not like his coach threw him under the bus after a tough loss or anything. And of course, the organization immediately issued a response supporting him and had Doc walk back his comment, right? Right?

Simmons definitely is part of why the situation is toxic, but the Sixers, especially Doc, started it down that path.

I'm not trying to defend Doc or the Sixers. But coaches call out players all the time in far more explicit ways than this. Simmons had an historically terrible series against the Hawks. What Doc said was not great but also clearly was said in the heat of the moment. He DID say a bunch of good stuff about Ben a couple days after that game. But he would have looked like an idiot if tried to pretend that there weren't things that Simmons had to work. Worst FT% in NBA playoff history isn't something you can just ignore.

Simmons won't even speak to the media. Everything he says is leaked through intermediaries. I'm not saying he has to talk to the Philly beat writers but why not speak to Ramona Shelburne directly? Or Sami Amick or Shams? Hell talk to Oprah.

Instead he remains holed up in his campus with a bunch of people telling him what he wants to hear.

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree, but if it was the last straw it was the last straw. Can you imagine what they have been through with this guy all this time?

Oh, I'm sure it's been frustrating with him. But they knew what they were getting and they established a pattern of putting up with it. They can't suddenly change how they're dealing with him and expect it to go smoothly.

If they're over it, they're over it and no one is going to blame them for that...but they're also the ones dragging it out by trying to get a return that you get get for a #1 when he's not a #1.

 

[fightinfunbags]

lol

Yeah, it's not like his coach threw him under the bus after a tough loss or anything. And of course, the organization immediately issued a response supporting him and had Doc walk back his comment, right? Right?

Simmons definitely is part of why the situation is toxic, but the Sixers, especially Doc, started it down that path.

Let’s be fair…it all still comes back to Ben. Because Doc could have that same comment about most players in the league and it wouldn’t result in the end of a relationship the way it did here. Should Doc have played it differently? Absolutely. But you don’t get there without Simmons being the player in that mix. Any other guy and it gets worked out with a sit down and people come away ready to work with each other to get better. Simmons won’t even take that meeting.

 

[mannyz]

lol

Yeah, it's not like his coach threw him under the bus after a tough loss or anything. And of course, the organization immediately issued a response supporting him and had Doc walk back his comment, right? Right?

Simmons definitely is part of why the situation is toxic, but the Sixers, especially Doc, started it down that path.

You know, if I f up royally, like he did against the Hawks, My boss would rip me a new a$$hole. Since I am not 6'11" and can play b-ball, I don't get those courtesies. He is a pussyboy.