PAC 12 Thread v6.0

[fredsdeadfriend]

What rule did I break?

Get back on topic. WSU's fired most of their cfb coaching staff. How do you think that impacts WSU, the rest of the PAC?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Get back on topic. WSU's fired most of their cfb coaching staff. How do you think that impacts WSU, the rest of the PAC?

Little to no impact on the rest of the PAC.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

How is replying to someone talking about you going off topic, going off topic?

Because it wasn't needed for you to respond, you just can't help yourself, because of your having FDS. Your response contributes to off topic discussion.

And if WSU's firing most of their coaching staff has no effect on the rest of the PAC, in YOUR opinion, why are you even posting in this thread, why do you care? Because I posted here, you following me around? lol


I disagree with you, I think WSU firing most of it's coaching staff will have a profound effect on the rest of the PAC.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Because it wasn't needed for you to respond, you just can't help yourself, because of your having FDS. Your response contributes to off topic discussion.

And if WSU's firing most of their coaching staff has no effect on the rest of the PAC, in YOUR opinion, why are you even posting in this thread, why do you care? Because I posted here, you following me around? lol


I disagree with you, I think WSU firing most of it's coaching staff will have a profound effect on the rest of the PAC.

Chiming in =/= going off topic. I know you're not too bright, but hopefully you can at least grasp that part.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Chiming in =/= going off topic. I know you're not too bright, but hopefully you can at least grasp that part.

I'm smarter than you.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I'm smarter than you.

Keep telling yourself that, cupcake.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Keep telling yourself that, cupcake.

I know it.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I know it.

 

[WABLTY]

I haven't really kept up...how bad do the violations look?

If the violations are relatively minor, they are likely survivable by your AD and Herm with giving up a bowl game or a couple of schollies. Especially if they are self imposed...and the rest of the staff may survive, especially if the ones who did it are already gone.

If they look to be major, then part of any self-imposed sanctions would likely include firing Herm and most, if not all, of his staff.

My understanding of the allegations at their absolute worst is this:

Arizona State conspired to get kids on campus during unofficial visits, which were allowed, with the same general feel of an official visit. As in they ran into coaches. The aggressive younger recruiters were possibly influential in organizing them. That 3 of them were suspended is noteworthy. Herm was on video meeting one them in a weight room, presumably accidentally. He does spend a lot of time working out. There are also allegations that Daniels mother may have used her credit card to pay for the airfare for those recruits, all from the same Florida school and all 2022 recruits who have since decommitted if they ever committed. I don't know if that is true. If so, she would qualify as a booster who was buying airfare for kids who couldn't afford airfare to get past the blocking of official periods in a pandemic-purposed dead period, to see their potential school of choice.

The allegations are functionally that they tried to get around COVID protocols in an organized sense to make unofficials both happen and seem more like officials. I suspect this happened damn near everywhere. However, ASU had a group of staff/coaches that were unhappy and had their own group chat. It is suspected Mawae may have been a ringleader, the suspicion of this mostly because he didn't get the ASU OL job when it became available.

There are also rumors that Pierce and Herm may have encouraged this activity. That is to say, AP favored the recruiters who were out actively making things happens over the ones who were more rule abiding.

So, tldr, ASU allegedly conspired to make COVID era unofficials more like officials in cohoots with someone who would be termed a booster. No money bags or buying, but giving 3 or 4 4-star type players a more official-like experience when that practice was supposed to be banned under the entended dead period.

Do I think there should be a major penalty? Absolutely not. In spirit, ASU was 'crootin'. Same as most programs. Nobody got a truck or a bag of cash. We don't have bag men type alumni like that. If we did, we'd have been better at allegedly cheating.

Would it shock me if we got hammered? Not so much. But I also think the NCAA should really think hard about slamming the biggest university in the country when they look pretty weak for trying to functionally act like it was business as usual.

So yeah, it ain't good, depending on how they determine the value of COVID protocols. I also suspect it was a common practice, but "Everyone else was probably doing it too" doesn't function as much of an NCAA excuse. ASU had an internal group that snitched.

The major downside is that regardless of the outcome, it's functionally trashed what was poised to be the best ASU recruiting class in a very long time. No bag men. Just kids that believed in the program and wanted to be a part of it until it had the stink of scandal on it. There was nothing gained and a ton lost. Further penalties seem... Lookit, if you want the AZ schools to be all trash tier, you hit the hammer.

It comes down to how much knowledge of the activity there really was, and who was sponsoring it.

 

[WABLTY]

TLDR: ASU allegedly conspired, possibly encouraged by Herm or AP, to coordinate unofficial visits to campus during the COVID dead period to be more like an official visit, possibly with paid airfare by the mother of a current player.

Had we not decided to just no show the entire 2nd half of the Utah game, ASU is probably in position to win its way out of the allegations. I think they will eventually amount to a slap on the wrist. However, our recruiting class that was once on pace to be a top 10-15 class is completely destroyed and now a midling season season seems like the sort of thing that Herm couldn't survive with the allegations over his head. The biggest issue is more can Ray Edwards hold onto his job and can they keep Antonio Pierce clean. AP has been the clear future of the program for a few years. He's that dude.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

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[RegentDenali]

Looks someone was finally ordered to fall on the sword or this case a trident....

 

[trojanfan12]

Carson Palmer threw an interesting name into the USC coaching search yesterday...Mike Tomlin.

He referred to him as a ''wild card'' in the search. Says that he has been discussed.

I have no idea (and it didn't sound like Palmer did either) if he wants out of Pittsburgh or if he would even be interested in coaching USC if he does.

But, it shows that USC may be thinking big rather than the ''we need someone with ties to SC'' like we had with Haden or the ''I'll just hire the interim guy so I don't have to conduct a real search'' crap like we had with Swann.

I don't think we get Tomlin. I consider it a huge longshot. But, unforeseen things happen, especially in the PAC (when he left Oregon, did anyone have Chip Kelly ending up at UCLA?).

I just like that names like Tomlin's are being discussed.

 

[trojanfan12]

My understanding of the allegations at their absolute worst is this:

Arizona State conspired to get kids on campus during unofficial visits, which were allowed, with the same general feel of an official visit. As in they ran into coaches. The aggressive younger recruiters were possibly influential in organizing them. That 3 of them were suspended is noteworthy. Herm was on video meeting one them in a weight room, presumably accidentally. He does spend a lot of time working out. There are also allegations that Daniels mother may have used her credit card to pay for the airfare for those recruits, all from the same Florida school and all 2022 recruits who have since decommitted if they ever committed. I don't know if that is true. If so, she would qualify as a booster who was buying airfare for kids who couldn't afford airfare to get past the blocking of official periods in a pandemic-purposed dead period, to see their potential school of choice.

The allegations are functionally that they tried to get around COVID protocols in an organized sense to make unofficials both happen and seem more like officials. I suspect this happened damn near everywhere. However, ASU had a group of staff/coaches that were unhappy and had their own group chat. It is suspected Mawae may have been a ringleader, the suspicion of this mostly because he didn't get the ASU OL job when it became available.

There are also rumors that Pierce and Herm may have encouraged this activity. That is to say, AP favored the recruiters who were out actively making things happens over the ones who were more rule abiding.

So, tldr, ASU allegedly conspired to make COVID era unofficials more like officials in cohoots with someone who would be termed a booster. No money bags or buying, but giving 3 or 4 4-star type players a more official-like experience when that practice was supposed to be banned under the entended dead period.

Do I think there should be a major penalty? Absolutely not. In spirit, ASU was 'crootin'. Same as most programs. Nobody got a truck or a bag of cash. We don't have bag men type alumni like that. If we did, we'd have been better at allegedly cheating.

Would it shock me if we got hammered? Not so much. But I also think the NCAA should really think hard about slamming the biggest university in the country when they look pretty weak for trying to functionally act like it was business as usual.

So yeah, it ain't good, depending on how they determine the value of COVID protocols. I also suspect it was a common practice, but "Everyone else was probably doing it too" doesn't function as much of an NCAA excuse. ASU had an internal group that snitched.

The major downside is that regardless of the outcome, it's functionally trashed what was poised to be the best ASU recruiting class in a very long time. No bag men. Just kids that believed in the program and wanted to be a part of it until it had the stink of scandal on it. There was nothing gained and a ton lost. Further penalties seem... Lookit, if you want the AZ schools to be all trash tier, you hit the hammer.

It comes down to how much knowledge of the activity there really was, and who was sponsoring it.

It's going to be interesting. Under normal circumstances, those are pretty minor violations that should result in nothing more than a slap on the wrist and ASU promising to never do it again. Basically, fire or suspend the ringleader and maybe lose a schollie or 2 kind of stuff.

But, it was a recruiting issue and everyone is all spun up over Covid...so the NCAA could look to ''make an example of them.''

Had we not decided to just no show the entire 2nd half of the Utah game, ASU is probably in position to win its way out of the allegations. I think they will eventually amount to a slap on the wrist. However, our recruiting class that was once on pace to be a top 10-15 class is completely destroyed and now a midling season season seems like the sort of thing that Herm couldn't survive with the allegations over his head. The biggest issue is more can Ray Edwards hold onto his job and can they keep Antonio Pierce clean. AP has been the clear future of the program for a few years. He's that dude.

Did you see @RegentDenali post on Thursday? Looks like Pierce is out.

 

[trojanfan12]

lol

7 weeks in and the USC coaching search rumors are getting wilder.

Tomlin gets mentioned yesterday. Then this morning Dan Patrick said he got an e-mail from a source that said..."The USC job is considered to be a better job than several NFL jobs and that teams with weak ownership could lose their coach." He says the e-mail mentioned Cowboys OC Kellen Moore and Cowboys DC Dan Quinn. He apparently also mentioned Kliff Kingsbury (which would be hilarious considering he was hired by USC once already).

What's weird with those mentions is that both the Cowboys and Cardinals are in first place in their divisions.

 

[RegentDenali]

lol

7 weeks in and the USC coaching search rumors are getting wilder.

Tomlin gets mentioned yesterday. Then this morning Dan Patrick said he got an e-mail from a source that said..."The USC job is considered to be a better job than several NFL jobs and that teams with weak ownership could lose their coach." He says the e-mail mentioned Cowboys OC Kellen Moore and Cowboys DC Dan Quinn. He apparently also mentioned Kliff Kingsbury (which would be hilarious considering he was hired by USC once already).

What's weird with those mentions is that both the Cowboys and Cardinals are in first place in their divisions.

I can only imagine how much better the Huskies offense and recruiting would be at this point if we had opened the wallet enough and did what it took to land Kellen Moore as OC.

USC has the gift finally being able to clean house and bring in a name that has some firepower to build a impressive staff and recruit. Will be interesting to see who it ends up as. I don't think Tomlin would of been interested, even though they got to get themselves a new franchise QB.

 

[RegentDenali]

Wow.

 

[trojanfan12]

I can only imagine how much better the Huskies offense and recruiting would be at this point if we had opened the wallet enough and did what it took to land Kellen Moore as OC.

USC has the gift finally being able to clean house and bring in a name that has some firepower to build a impressive staff and recruit. Will be interesting to see who it ends up as. I don't think Tomlin would of been interested, even though they got to get themselves a new franchise QB.

Yeah, no way they were getting Tomlin and he made that quite clear in his press conference today. We finally have an AD who has experience as an AD and who isn't set on getting an "SC guy" because he isn't an "SC guy" himself. He should be able to simply hire the best coach available.

Obviously he'll want someone who can fit with SC culture, but you don't have to have SC ties to do that.

Besides, win enough and no one will care how well he fits with SC culture. lol

 

[trojanfan12]

Wow.

Dear Kingsley,

We are in need of offensive linemen and we have a long tradition of Polynesian players being successful here. If you'd like to come for an on campus visit, we'll be more than happy to have Troy Polamalu and Talanoa Hufanga be there to show you around.

Sincerely,

The USC Trojans

 

[RegentDenali]

Yeah, no way they were getting Tomlin and he made that quite clear in his press conference today. We finally have an AD who has experience as an AD and who isn't set on getting an "SC guy" because he isn't an "SC guy" himself. He should be able to simply hire the best coach available.

Obviously he'll want someone who can fit with SC culture, but you don't have to have SC ties to do that.

Besides, win enough and no one will care how well he fits with SC culture. lol

Lots of chatter of Franklin from Penn St. being a top candidate. Not a west coast guy, but I could see it happening. Especially after word he recently switched agents.