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Ben Simmons formally demands trade

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I wasn't suggesting that I wanted Rubio or Osman. I was talking about them simply as salary filler that would be more desirable than Love.

Obviously the Sixers would want some actual positive assets in the deal. Sexton/Markkanen being the most likely, IMO.
Agree. The rights to the Browns old elfish mascot and Chief Wahoo would have more value as salary filler than Kevin Love.
 

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Also, I’m not really shocked Cavs would want to include Love as the filler. They shed one of the league top 5 shitty contracts in a deal for a 3 time All Star which automatically reduces the number of assets they give up. Cavs likely hate that deal in hindsight.

I don’t think it reduces the number of assets at all.

It’s likely sexton okoro filler and picks

CLE doesn’t have much else, they won’t trade both guess and yoh likely don’t want both guards.

I doubt even Mobley is on the table anyway.

I don’t think love changes anything about that
 

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Embiid essentially says the Sixers fucked up when they chose Ben over Jimmy Butler. He dragged his nuts on Simmons face and then closed with an assertion that he wants him back so he can publicly continue that charade. Well played big man.

Embiid is not one to pull punches.
 

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I don’t think it reduces the number of assets at all.

It’s likely sexton okoro filler and picks

CLE doesn’t have much else, they won’t trade both guess and yoh likely don’t want both guards.

I doubt even Mobley is on the table anyway.

I don’t think love changes anything about that
Markkinen trade filler could also bring Rubio trade filler and that’s a vet that can be around as the Sixers fool around with two unproven players in the 1 at Maxey and Shake Milton. I’m not sure if Rubio can be dealt right now either though?

Edit: im an idiot. I think I just spent too much money and that deal can’t work.
 

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I don’t place much value on the need to do it now.

Yeah, whether or not it should be, or should have been done now...won't be known for at least a couple of months because it's going to be determined by the effect on the team.

If the constant scrutiny and questions has a negative impact on their play...then folks will say..."See, they should have just bit the bullet and taken what they could get" and that Morey overplayed his hand. If it doesn't, then folks will say will say it was good that they were patient...especially if they actually get a decent return for him near the deadline.
 

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Yeah, whether or not it should be, or should have been done now...won't be known for at least a couple of months because it's going to be determined by the effect on the team.

If the constant scrutiny and questions has a negative impact on their play...then folks will say..."See, they should have just bit the bullet and taken what they could get" and that Morey overplayed his hand. If it doesn't, then folks will say will say it was good that they were patient...especially if they actually get a decent return for him near the deadline.
It’s not about the regular season though. Sixers have enough with no Ben to win 50 games and be in the 3-6 seed realm. What you saying coming to fruition looks like is a team that wins 32-35 games and I don’t think that happens unless Embiid gets hurt (a distinct possibility).
 

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It’s not about the regular season though. Sixers have enough with no Ben to win 50 games and be in the 3-6 seed realm. What you saying coming to fruition looks like is a team that wins 32-35 games and I don’t think that happens unless Embiid gets hurt (a distinct possibility).

The regular season sets up the playoffs. How the team reacts to the Simmons scrutiny can be the difference between whether they finish closer to the 3 seed or the 6 seed.

And that could make the difference in how long their playoff run is. Imo, they can still make it to the ECF without Ben, but they will have a smaller margin for error.
 

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Also, I’m not really shocked Cavs would want to include Love as the filler. They shed one of the league top 5 shitty contracts in a deal for a 3 time All Star which automatically reduces the number of assets they give up. Cavs likely hate that deal in hindsight.
I haven’t even heard reports that the Cavs would include him or want to include. Obviously if something came up they probably would but for now the Cavs think he could be a valuable piece off the bench when healthy. From reports, Love is going to have to earn a starting job and he wants to stay in CLE/no buyout from both sides.

His contract is awful but he is a WAY better salary filler than Osman/Rubio. Also considering that the Sixers already have Maxey and they would acquire Garland or Sexton, Rubio doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and Osman is a bench warmer. Love can play limited minutes and give you a double double. Maybe he doesn’t fit the roster bc of Harris’ role at the 4 but Osman/Rubio isn’t offering anything.

I am interested to see what deals the Sixers get. Imo the value of Simmons declines day bu day and the more he opens his mouth. Teams can deal with players with bad attitudes and shit but not work ethic. Simmons isn’t improving offensively and he doesn’t even put in the effort for an improved jumpshot. Some teams coupd find more value in him but most either don’t want him, don’t value him or don’t have the assets to acquire him. Those assets are dwindling. I thought the Cavs could offer a top 5-6 deal in terms of assets but if more teams drop out…a deal of Sexton, Okoro, Love and picks might not look too bad. That’s just the way things work. I mean look what the Cavs got for Kyrie.
 

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I haven’t even heard reports that the Cavs would include him or want to include. Obviously if something came up they probably would but for now the Cavs think he could be a valuable piece off the bench when healthy. From reports, Love is going to have to earn a starting job and he wants to stay in CLE/no buyout from both sides.

His contract is awful but he is a WAY better salary filler than Osman/Rubio. Also considering that the Sixers already have Maxey and they would acquire Garland or Sexton, Rubio doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and Osman is a bench warmer. Love can play limited minutes and give you a double double. Maybe he doesn’t fit the roster bc of Harris’ role at the 4 but Osman/Rubio isn’t offering anything.

I am interested to see what deals the Sixers get. Imo the value of Simmons declines day bu day and the more he opens his mouth. Teams can deal with players with bad attitudes and shit but not work ethic. Simmons isn’t improving offensively and he doesn’t even put in the effort for an improved jumpshot. Some teams coupd find more value in him but most either don’t want him, don’t value him or don’t have the assets to acquire him. Those assets are dwindling. I thought the Cavs could offer a top 5-6 deal in terms of assets but if more teams drop out…a deal of Sexton, Okoro, Love and picks might not look too bad. That’s just the way things work. I mean look what the Cavs got for Kyrie.

The Lakers didn't get anything close to Shaq's value when they traded him and things between him and the Lakers didn't get anywhere near where they are with Simmons and the Sixers.

Some of that may have been because the Lakers moved him relatively quickly...but I don't recall Shaq ever threatening to not play.
 

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I sometimes wish kevin love was hit by a bus so we don't have to talk about him

Last week rememberthekoy said he hoped Mayfield threw a pass then dislocated his arm up. By the end of the day RTK's boy Carson Wentz ended up with two sprained ankles. How the hell does that happen?
 

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The regular season sets up the playoffs. How the team reacts to the Simmons scrutiny can be the difference between whether they finish closer to the 3 seed or the 6 seed.

And that could make the difference in how long their playoff run is. Imo, they can still make it to the ECF without Ben, but they will have a smaller margin for error.
I absolutely get that perspective. But in my eyes the delay on Ben would emanate from a desire to find the best fit for the playoffs in terms of roster construction. That to me takes precedent over seeding. With Embiid the Sixers have been a 3 a 4 a 6 and a 1 seed and in all cases it was no better than a 2nd round exit. They’ve had variety in seeding and yet it all seems to end in the same place.
 

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I don’t think Osman adds much to this group Rubio at least can fit a need for a guard. The Sixers could use another offensive wing or 3 and D guy but Osman is underwhelming. Here are my rankings of Cavs pieces in terms of Sixers fits and my opinion of the player.
1. Garland - his ability to get the rim is a piece the Sixers should have had in Simmons but didn’t show up enough
2. Sexton - efficient scorer with upside to be a reliable 3rd option on a contender which would allow you to let Tobias walk when his contract is up
3. Okoro- think he’s got great potential and could be the best two way player of all the Cavs pieces. I really value 2 way players. If he can develop a somewhat reliable jumper he could be great
4. Mobley - Sixers are stacked at 4 and 5 but this kid has tremendous upside. Even though he’s not a fit I have to include him because 3 years from now you might look at these players and he stands a full tier above everybody else. That’s happens and you figure it out with that talent
5. Lauri Markkanen - he can give the Sixers flexibility because he has different game than Drummond and can allow the Sixers to play small with Embiid sub matchups vs certain teams which could be big in a series. But his biggest value is the dual role of having a role while also being salary filler to get something done for Ben. The gap in his salary vs Love allows for the Sixers to take on a whole other player. Taking on more low salary assets with upside ultimately allows them to compete for Dame or Beal should they ask to be traded. The drawback is you have to wait until late October for Markk to be included. The absolute best thing to be said about acquiring this deal from Cavs is that you avoid Love’s inclusion in the deal.
I could see Sexton at 1 but more like 1 and 1A. Really hope both of them start shooting 5-7 3s per game next season minimum,

Agree Okoro should be 3 for now but Mobley has the chance to be the clear #1 and doubt the Cavs would part with him in a deal for Simmons.

I don't think I'd want Osman either other than for salary filler.
 

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I haven’t even heard reports that the Cavs would include him or want to include. Obviously if something came up they probably would but for now the Cavs think he could be a valuable piece off the bench when healthy. From reports, Love is going to have to earn a starting job and he wants to stay in CLE/no buyout from both sides.

His contract is awful but he is a WAY better salary filler than Osman/Rubio. Also considering that the Sixers already have Maxey and they would acquire Garland or Sexton, Rubio doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and Osman is a bench warmer. Love can play limited minutes and give you a double double. Maybe he doesn’t fit the roster bc of Harris’ role at the 4 but Osman/Rubio isn’t offering anything.

I am interested to see what deals the Sixers get. Imo the value of Simmons declines day bu day and the more he opens his mouth. Teams can deal with players with bad attitudes and shit but not work ethic. Simmons isn’t improving offensively and he doesn’t even put in the effort for an improved jumpshot. Some teams coupd find more value in him but most either don’t want him, don’t value him or don’t have the assets to acquire him. Those assets are dwindling. I thought the Cavs could offer a top 5-6 deal in terms of assets but if more teams drop out…a deal of Sexton, Okoro, Love and picks might not look too bad. That’s just the way things work. I mean look what the Cavs got for Kyrie.
I agree with you on time passing resulting in less value coming back in theory. At the same time, I don’t know that the actual player’s value is going to dip that much. If Simmons never does what he needs to get better he’s still an All Star. In this regard it actually hurts the guy’s perception. Because he has top 10 player ability people are hypercritical of him for only being a top 30-35 player. Take your own team’s situation. If Simmons goes to the Cavs doesn’t he likely become that team’s best player? I think he’s better than Garland and Jarett Allen and Mobley could surpass but he has to prove that first. If he goes to Sacramento doesn’t he become their best player? It’s a debate with DeAaron Fox but that guy has never made an All Star team. He’s never been on the all defensive team. The only destination linked to Simmons where he doesn’t become the team’s best player post-deal would be Minnesota where I give the edge to KAT.
 

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I sometimes wish kevin love was hit by a bus so we don't have to talk about him
Are you kidding? If that happened we'd talk about him even more!
 

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I could see Sexton at 1 but more like 1 and 1A. Really hope both of them start shooting 5-7 3s per game next season minimum,

Agree Okoro should be 3 for now but Mobley has the chance to be the clear #1 and doubt the Cavs would part with him in a deal for Simmons.

I don't think I'd want Osman either other than for salary filler.
Part of my rank of him at 4 is assessing fit going both ways. Cavs don’t draft him to deal him in his rookie season for starters. And then with a Sixers group of Harris and Embiid at 4 and 5 he has to play a lot of 3 which may be a role he can handle but maybe not right away. I would be floored if Mobley would go in any deal let alone one for the Sixers. The only way I see it happening is if a third team comes in and an asset is pried away from said third team so that Mobley goes back to them plus a Thybulle or Maxey from Sixers to get a player they covet over Sexton/Okora. But that’s highly unlikely. But I figured if I’m doing a list of the assets I value on the Cavs roster, I’d be a dope for leaving Mobley off. I think Cavs have a good one there.
 

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The Lakers didn't get anything close to Shaq's value when they traded him and things between him and the Lakers didn't get anywhere near where they are with Simmons and the Sixers.

Some of that may have been because the Lakers moved him relatively quickly...but I don't recall Shaq ever threatening to not play.

Shaq was also 32 years old when they traded him and I'm pretty sure that Kobe was the one who said "It's either him or me".
 

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His contract is awful but he is a WAY better salary filler than Osman/Rubio. Also considering that the Sixers already have Maxey and they would acquire Garland or Sexton, Rubio doesn’t make a whole lot of sense and Osman is a bench warmer. Love can play limited minutes and give you a double double. Maybe he doesn’t fit the roster bc of Harris’ role at the 4 but Osman/Rubio isn’t offering anything.

Kevin Love is still owed 58 million dollars. Rubio is on an expiring
 
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