NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[dtgold88]

Eh...both teams are breaking in some new pieces. Chiefs breaking in a new O line.

True about KC but Browns might have a ton of new pieces, at least on D. Possible only starters from last year will be Ward and Garrett it seems. Made up for some by O coming back in tact (hopefully healthy OBJ)

 

[dtgold88]

Hopefully we aren't playing in a monsoon this year. And if they are at least the Browns have a D that can possibly stop obvious run after obvious run

that was the most painful game of the year to watch. Maddening!!

 

[dtgold88]

He just came off an MVP season. Brees never had one, Brady had his last 3 years ago at age 40. Rodgers was 22nd in the league in times sacked last season, less than Brady. It depends more on the o-line and balance with a running game (which Cleveland has).

All true, and why I'd make the deal if it was solely switching Baker and AR for a season (or even 2-3). But we'd have to lose other assets because of the cap AND deal top picks in the alleged deal.

what are you thinking odds are of Browns winning the SB next year with AR?

 

[trojanfan12]

Not to say not an advantage but did he say it was because it's week 1 or just in general?

He said because it's week 1, the Browns will have 9 new guys on defense and Andy Reid is a monster in September. Said the same game later in the season is likely a tossup.

 

[dtgold88]

The sign of a team becoming a contender is when they realize that projected end of the round 1sts aren't a real roadblock in trades that net the reigning MVP. Who cares if Baker is 26? He isn't remotely Aaron Rodgers yet, and likely never will be. I know Browns fans are used to mediocrity, but cherishing it is a bit odd.

No, end of first rounders are why you might be willing to deal for a greater position of need. Not for a position you think you have set for 10-15 years.

 

[dtgold88]

Age is the entire reason it's a deal breaker.

Mediocrity? They were possibly a shitty fumble call away from being in the AFC championship. With missing effectively their entire secondary.

I have no doubt Rodgers would make them a better team this year...probably next.

Also missing lineman AND their backups.....but yes for 1-2 years they could sign me up.

 

[dtgold88]

Nice framing. In other words, they lost in the second round after almost blowing a 4 TD 1st quarter lead to a struggling Steelers team. They almost managed a comeback against the Chiefs after trailing at half time 19-3 when Mahomes went down.

Rodgers makes them a co-favorite with the Chiefs IMO. They may never be a favorite with Baker. Embrace the average option!

They are at worse in the top 4 among favorites in the AFC. That's average?

 

[dtgold88]

What about his stats show you that he's going to approach Rodgers levels? Or ever overtake Mahomes and Chiefs, since they will likely share a career span? You have to factor the golden retriever Josh Allen into that mix too. It's awfully tough to pass on a true Super Bowl shot like that in favor of the unknown.

How about because once he and the rest of the team got acclimated to the offense he was the best QB in entire NFL for the second half of the season per PFF? Better than Allen...should they deal him for AR if they can, too?

 

[dtgold88]

I'd be surprised to see Cleveland win honestly. It sucks for an opening game for two reasons. One it's a very tough game. Probably the toughest. Secondly if they somehow won the hype machine would be out of control

Hope we find out as I think THIS staff can reign in the hype...at least from the players thinking they are better than they have proven to be.

 

[dtgold88]

You could look at it the other way though. If they land a QB to groom behind Rodgers, they could get that rookie QB contract benefit when Rodgers retires and extend their window that way. Once Baker gets extended, the Browns will need to start making difficult decisions due to the cap in terms of keeping their better players.

Because it's easy to find your QB of the future picking late in the draft which they'll likely be doing with AR (or Baker)?

Before you say "but AR was" I'll remind you there are many more who were not.

 

[dtgold88]

Rodgers gives them a much better chance of winning a SB though.

OK...you could say the same for all but maybe a handful of teams at most. Don't you think they'd have a more pressing need than a team who has a solid QB? Should Buffalo make an offer? Allen has only had 1 great season.

 

[dtgold88]

He doesn't have to be as good as Rodgers or Mahomes. He just needs to be as good as last year. Obviously, you'd like to see continued growth and improvement. But, with the roster upgrades, if he's only as good as last year, that should be enough to make them a real threat.

which is why those saying the Browns would be foolish not to deal for AR is based on their own anti Baker agenda.

 

[dtgold88]

It certainly depends on what he wants. But you would think he'd expect to at least make what Hooper does.

I think he might expect a lot more than that....maybe McCaffrey level.

 

[tlance]

well- when you say its like the Lakers looking for a star when they were willing to trade Ball and Ingram- and its not anything like that- I gotta call it out for being ridiculous.

You are totally missing the point, as per usual.

The comparison is with fan bases being attached to young talent, not saying the situation is similar.

 

[shopson67]

All true, and why I'd make the deal if it was solely switching Baker and AR for a season (or even 2-3). But we'd have to lose other assets because of the cap AND deal top picks in the alleged deal.

what are you thinking odds are of Browns winning the SB next year with AR?

Better than zero, which is what I would project with Baker.

 

[shopson67]

No, end of first rounders are why you might be willing to deal for a greater position of need. Not for a position you think you have set for 10-15 years.

You think the Browns are set at QB for 10-15 years? You have that much confidence in Baker?

 

[tlance]

These are not assumptions. This is what you told us.

No, I didn’t tell what he does.

What I told you is that he has information on these players and that his information hasn’t been wrong yet.

You assumed he is some type of talent scout.

 

[tlance]

Of course, IF he wins a SB dealing for him would be worth it but in 90%+ of his seasons he has not won a SB and how many more chances do you think he has? 2-3?

If the question is would I rather have AR or Baker next season only? AR please.

Sure.

I guess I also believe the surrounding talent in Cleveland is a lot greater than what Rodgers currently has in Green Bay.

Now how much of talent would they lose to pull off a Rodgers deal?

That to me is the real question.l as to whether or not it would be worth exploring.

Because when Baker is getting paid, it will be a lot harder to build a contender around him. In other words, right now might be the best chance you ever get with Baker.

 

[shopson67]

They are at worse in the top 4 among favorites in the AFC. That's average?

Average at the QB position. Last year was arguably Baker's best. 15th in the league in passer rating. 10th in QBR. Tied for 12th in TDs. 30th in completion percentage. 17th in yards/att. Rodgers was 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, and 3rd. Imagine what Rodgers could do with a decent #2 or #3 WR...

 

[shopson67]

OK...you could say the same for all but maybe a handful of teams at most. Don't you think they'd have a more pressing need than a team who has a solid QB? Should Buffalo make an offer? Allen has only had 1 great season.

I think Buffalo should listen if Green Bay came to them.