The Great Russell Wilson

[Wazmankg]

Otto Graham was putting up 100 passer ratings in the 40's.

I don't care about all that, bottom line.......only Rodgers had a better passer rating than Wilson.

Montana had a 112 passer rating in 1989.

..and this is what you do. When someone points out a flaw in your analysis, you rattle off some irrelevant anecdotal statistics that have fuck all to do with the point made. Also Graham, as great as he was, was playing against the JV in the 40s.

 

[RaZon]

..and this is what you do. When someone points out a flaw in your analysis, you rattle off some irrelevant anecdotal statistics that have fuck all to do with the point made. Graham was playing against the JV in the 40s.

What I actually do is know the history of the sport and know BS when I see it. Botton line is only Rodgers has a higher passer rating than Wilson if talking those with nine seasons.

Dude, when I was talking yards, you....oh no not yards.

You mentioned passer rating now seeing Wilson has the second highest....oh no not passer rating.

What is your problem?

 

[Wazmankg]

What I actually do is know the history of the sport and know BS when I see it. Botton line is only Rodgers has a higher passer rating than Wilson if talking those with nine seasons.

Dude, when I was talking yards, you....oh no not yards.

You mentioned passer rating now seeing Wilson has the second highest....oh no not passer rating.

What is your problem?

What I said was that a 4000 yard season was no longer a big deal in the age of Russ Wilson and that passer rating can also not be compared with other OBs not of Wilson's era.

So if you want to say that Wilson has the best career of any QB drafted since 2012 (not including Patrick Mahomes), I agree. But comparing his stats to QBs that were drafted prior to Wilson, results in an inept analysis. Do you get it now??????????????

 

[Manster7588]

So if just talking Passer Rating, only Rodgers compares to Wilson when talking nine seasons.

I haven;t done the homeork yet but am guessing Wilsons TD/INT ratio is about as good as we have seen in those first nine seasons.

And, would guess his rushing yards are among the best ever.

How could anyone try to battle this isn't a very special QB?

Well if were only using specific windows both Mahomes and Watson have better ratings than Wilson and Rodgers since 2017.

 

[wilwhite]

Peyton vs Wilson

Both never missed a game, both 7 pro bowls, about the same comp%, Peyton more yards, Wilson by far a better TD/INT ratio. Peyton threw a TON of picks a TON, passer rating goes to Wilson as does the rushing ....obviously.

Wilson an A- really?

Pro-bowl reserve is obviously A-.

His low INTs are A+, second only to Rodgers, really. (He'd have to throw 145 more TDs against only 8 picks to catch up, so he'll always be behind unless Rodgers turns into a pick machine at the end of his career.)

His passing TDs are A-. His passing yardage is B+, maybe. His accuracy is A. His rushing yardage and TDs are both borderline A. His sacks are more like a D and his fumbles like a C-.

He's already three-quarters of the way to the all-time sacked record - and that's the only passing record he'll ever hold.

If he has another nine years like the ones he had, with another SB title, he has a good chance (but not a lock) to make the HOF.

 

[RaZon]

What I said was that a 4000 yard season was no longer a big deal in the age of Russ Wilson and that passer rating can also not be compared with other OBs not of Wilson's era.

So if you want to say that Wilson has the best career of any QB drafted since 2012 (not including Patrick Mahomes), I agree. But comparing his stats to QBs that were drafted prior to Wilson, results in an inept analysis. Do you get it now??????????????

I am going to ask you a question, of all the QB's in the history of pro football what QB was more impressive than Russell Wilson in their first nine seasons?

So who ya got?

 

[RaZon]

Well if were only using specific windows both Mahomes and Watson have better ratings than Wilson and Rodgers since 2017.

Dude, you simply refuse to get this don't ya?

 

[RaZon]

Pro-bowl reserve is obviously A-.

His low INTs are A+, second only to Rodgers, really. (He'd have to throw 145 more TDs against only 8 picks to catch up, so he'll always be behind unless Rodgers turns into a pick machine at the end of his career.)

His passing TDs are A-. His passing yardage is B+, maybe. His accuracy is A. His rushing yardage and TDs are both borderline A. His sacks are more like a D and his fumbles like a C-.

He's already three-quarters of the way to the all-time sacked record - and that's the only passing record he'll ever hold.

If he has another nine years like the ones he had, with another SB title, he has a good chance (but not a lock) to make the HOF.

Unless his game totally falls apart, he is already a lock for the Hall of Fame. Doesn't need another SB win. He just plays like he does and he is in.

 

[Wazmankg]

I am going to ask you a question, of all the QB's in the history of pro football what QB was more impressive than Russell Wilson in their first nine seasons?

So who ya got?

Idk, but Marino and Unitas for sure off the top of my head.

 

[Manster7588]

Dude, you simply refuse to get this don't ya?

I get that you're a stubborn troll.

 

[Manster7588]

For @RaZon

The Ebb and Flow of the NFL Passing Game Since 1932

The game played by Peyton Manning and Joe Flacco last night bears little resemblance to the game Sammy Baugh played. Teams pass much more frequently and efficiently than ever before. And there are external effects, too: In 2011 and 2012, the average carry went for 4.3 yards, the first two years...

www.footballperspective.com

Of course I'd think a guy who's watched the NFL for 70 years would already know this.

 

[RaZon]

Idk, but Marino and Unitas for sure off the top of my head.

So how much do we put into Unitas having Hall of Famers Lenny Moore, Ray Berry, John Mackey to throw to, all Hall of Famers?

Mark Clayton, Mark Duper had over 1000 catches, over 16,000 yards, then there was Tony Nathan, one of the best pass catching RB's in football for Marino.

We always hear.....Wilson had BEASTMODE, LEGION OF DOOM, what he didn't have was anyone like what Unitas and Marino had to throw to,

 

[RaZon]

I get that you're a stubborn troll.

Manster, why tell me about guys with less than nine seasons, don't you ever get anything ever?

My God guy, stop working so hard at.....YOU'RE WRONG....and pay attention to what is really going on, ok? Dude, you're becoming a little pest, ok?

 

[RaZon]

For @RaZon

The Ebb and Flow of the NFL Passing Game Since 1932

The game played by Peyton Manning and Joe Flacco last night bears little resemblance to the game Sammy Baugh played. Teams pass much more frequently and efficiently than ever before. And there are external effects, too: In 2011 and 2012, the average carry went for 4.3 yards, the first two years...

www.footballperspective.com

Of course I'd think a guy who's watched the NFL for 70 years would already know this.

Dude, everybody gets the game is in constant change ok my man?

 

[Manster7588]

Dude, everybody gets the game is in constant change ok my man?

Then you get why you can't fairly compare players from the pre 2006, and even more so for players beyond that.

There are scrubs today putting up better numbers than many of the best QB's in history.

I'll say it again. If in your personal opinion Wilson is the greatest I'm good with it, but get off of the stats as a determining factor because we all know the game has changed to much to do so.

To me Marino is the best, Montana the smartest although it pains me to say this Rodgers and Manning can both give Joe a run for his money in that category.

Imagine Marino or Fouts playing with todays rules.

 

[RaZon]

Then you get why you can't fairly compare players from the pre 2006, and even more so for players beyond that.

There are scrubs today putting up better numbers than many of the best QB's in history.

I'll say it again. If in your personal opinion Wilson is the greatest I'm good with it, but get off of the stats as a determining factor because we all know the game has changed to much to do so.

To me Marino is the best, Montana the smartest although it pains me to say this Rodgers and Manning can both give Joe a run for his money in that category.

Imagine Marino or Fouts playing with todays rules.

How a player is perceived in their day is why I bring up pro bowls.

We can't ignore a guys comp% in any era, or his TD/INT ratio, or those rushing yards.

Wilson walked right in and took over, he has never missed a game. And I can't.....just ignore his stats.....huh????

Both Marino and Fouts were blessed with great receivers around them, hell....Mark Clayton, Mark Duper, Tony Nathan, Kellen Winslow, Charlie Joiner, John Jefferson, Wes Clayton. Imagine Wilson with the guys Marino and Fouts had.

 

[RaZon]

Seahawks receivers


Rk Player From To G Pos AV Tgt Rec Ctch% Yds Y/R TD Lng Y/Tgt R/G Y/G Fmb
1 Steve Largent 1976 1989 200 WR 140 819 13089 16.0 100 74 4.1 65.4 17
2 Brian Blades 1988 1998 156 WR 71 599 581 7620 13.1 34 80 3.7 48.8 11
3 Doug Baldwin 2011 2018 123 WR 62 722 493 68.3% 6563 13.3 49 80 9.1 4.0 53.4 3
4 Darrell Jackson 2000 2006 96 WR 61 790 441 55.8% 6445 14.6 47 80 8.2 4.6 67.1 9
5 Tyler Lockett 2015 2020 95 WR 50 518 376 72.6% 4892 13.0 37 74 9.4 4.0 51.5 5
6 Bobby Engram 2001 2008 109 WR 45 598 399 66.7% 4859 12.2 18 60 8.1 3.7 44.6 12
7 Joey Galloway 1995 1999 71 WR 48 585 283 48.4% 4457 15.7 37 81 7.6 4.0 62.8 5
8 John Williams 1986 1993 123 FB 71 212 471 4151 8.8 16 75 3.8 33.7 18
9 Koren Robinson 2001 2008 69 WR 32 463 244 52.7% 3567 14.6 14 90 7.7 3.5 51.7 5
10 Sam McCullum 1976 1981 91 WR 35 232 3409 14.7 21 72 2.5 37.5 3
11 Deion Branch 2006 2010 51 WR 18 342 190 55.6% 2347 12.4 15 65 6.9 3.7 46.0 1
12 Sherman Smith 1976 1982 82 RB 55 211 2342 11.1 10 64 2.6 28.6 22
13 Mike Pritchard 1996 1999 62 WR 21 327 169 51.7% 2288 13.5 8 61 7.0 2.7 36.9 3
14 D.K. Metcalf 2019 2020 32 WR 21 229 141 61.6% 2203 15.6 17 62 9.6 4.4 68.8 4
15 Golden Tate 2010 2013 58 WR 22 264 165 62.5% 2195 13.3 15 80 8.3 2.8 37.8 6

Largent an all time great, Baldwin could play, Lockett ok, but as a whole that is pretty weak compared to what other teams can list. Wilson hasn't had the besr weapons and still puts up the numbers he does.

Sherman Smith a converted college QB to RB, number 12, ouch!

 

[Southieinnc]

So if just talking Passer Rating, only Rodgers compares to Wilson when talking nine seasons.

I haven;t done the homeork yet but am guessing Wilsons TD/INT ratio is about as good as we have seen in those first nine seasons.

And, would guess his rushing yards are among the best ever.

How could anyone try to battle this isn't a very special QB?

Guessing? At least you admit it! What happened to stat whore? Are you now the guess whore?

 

[RaZon]

Guessing? At least you admit it! What happened to stat whore? Are you now the guess whore?

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My little leg humper, wassup slick?

 

[wilwhite]

Unless his game totally falls apart, he is already a lock for the Hall of Fame. Doesn't need another SB win. He just plays like he does and he is in.

Almost every QB in the HOF has either been a first-team All-Pro or a multiple SB champ. The only exception is Moon, who got some credit for his five Grey Cups. Wilson will need a little boost, I think.