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Sorry to bitch but it's just the same old carrot being held out there
Ya they don't even try to change up their excuses. They decided just to pick one excuse and run with it for a few years. I think that is even more scary for fans when they decide not even to pretend to want to win.

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I like Paxton, but it’s a one year deal. Which makes no sense with the Giles signing and all signs to them punting to 2022. I know a lot of us joke about signing guys with the worst case scenario is trading them at the deadline. But this move, seems that is the only goal.
 

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I like Paxton, but it’s a one year deal. Which makes no sense with the Giles signing and all signs to them punting to 2022. I know a lot of us joke about signing guys with the worst case scenario is trading them at the deadline. But this move, seems that is the only goal.
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Sorry I suck at responding in a timely manner. As far as my employer knows I'm snowed in and have no power so I actually have some time to relax.

A. You agree? Shit I should probably just end here.

B. I think we're on the same page here as well. It really is hard to determine the financial impact of another competing franchise in town. I keep going back and forth on this and I'm really not sure. The only thing I can say with certainty in terms of television viewers is that ROOT having the rights to broadcast the Kraken games at least ensures that Kraken broadcasts and Mariners broadcasts won't overlap, which at the minimum ensures the television revenue doesn't drop as the result of having a competing franchise in the same market. The impact on gate revenue on the other hand is hard to determine. My initial thought is that since Kraken games will be more expensive could result in the consumer base spending more on going to a few Kraken games as opposed to paying less money for a ticket to a Mariners game.

I do sincerely believe that if the Mariners lowered ticket and concession prices, it would increase the amount of revenue they take in. I could be biased on this because I've been getting cheap/free club level tickets from a friend who works in the organization, but knowing I only paid $10-$20 for a great ticket makes me feel more inclined to pay a bunch for concessions and in the end spend a ton of money in the stadium on drinks and what not.

C. Definition of suburbs aside, I do think we'd agree that with so many people working remotely it will impact gate revenue. It's somewhat unrelated but what's going on with real estate right now in this area is absolutely insane. It's fueled by people working remotely who have high income looking to purchase a home outside of Seattle and people capitalizing on the absurd amount of equity in their homes and using that equity to purchase an investment property. I have clients who are purchasing homes (as an investment) $100k-$200k over the appraised value because the rates are so low right now. I had a friend who put an offer in for a modest home valued at $450k in Bonney Lake for $500k and it sold for $600k cash.

I want to shoot myself wasting close to $2,000 in rent on a one bedroom apartment, but home prices are absurd and for some fucking reason every condo on the market charges like $300-$500 on HOA dues a month. My sister pays $600 a month for HOA dues on the condo she's renting out and doesn't even break even after taxes and the mortgage she has on the property. I'm going to stop now because I could go on for hours about the absurdity of the housing market in this area.

You are completely correct regarding the franchise appreciating substantially each year. The team was purchased for $100m in 1992. Purchased for $1.2B in 2016 and Forbes has it valued at $1.6B as of April 2020. I completely agree that the franchise value would exponentially increase if they put more money into the team, but I'm assuming ownership doesn't look at it like that. From a financial perspective, unless they spent enough to build a playoff team, they would have a poor return on investment. Additionally, given the state's COVID restrictions, people leaving Seattle, etc. I can see why ownership neutered Dipoto when it comes to spending (from a financial perspective).

I think MLB needs to do something to make baseball cool again. It could just be my generation, but I feel like nobody I know talks about baseball. All of my friends love the experience of going to the game, but most of them can't name more than a few people on the team.
Lol well A. We agreed upon so skip.

B. Does the Kraken signing with Root means they won’t run into conflict with each other because scheduling I thought was a league issue? I am not saying the tv deal isn’t good for the Mariners at all and the economics may be well over my head. It just doesn’t seem like the revenue that the Kraken will be some cash cow. The gate part of it, IMO isn’t really an issue. Just my personal opinion, that Mariners aren’t really caring about the average person that will attend a Kraken game, but they definitely are vying for those who will go to a Sonics game.

C. Yeah, housing is ridiculous. Covid somehow made the housing market out in “rural” Pierce County higher. I was just putting two and two together because of working remotely and there are a lot more dudes I am seeing around the neighborhoods now than pre Covid. My only point of the definition of suburbs my area or even a little further Bonney Lake do not have real access to mass transit which obviously conflicts with attending sporting events and with the Mariners losing equity in their fan base and not really gaining new ones, when it comes to even the affluent they are IMO going to choose to take their kids to the shiny new toys in hockey and the NBA.

With the housing I totally agree. We signed off on a lot a few years back for $280k, the county finally released that subdivision to start building and the company was selling it for 400k. But we didn’t put my money down on the lot so we’re SOL. We were at an apartment unit when this whole thing went down and one of our neighbors put 180k for a lot but put 5k down to actually own it. Nuts because there is no real amenities out there besides a view. Still have to drive however many miles just to go grocery shopping or get gas.

I get from a novice financial standpoint seeing that you shouldn’t put money into them. My issue is these are successful businessmen who made all of their money realizes you had to invest back into your business or product to make more money in the future. I understand Covid has caused issues with revenue in sports, but going cheap because you aren’t going to gross 200 million or whatever it is isn’t going to give goodwill to the public and like I said, I a couple of shiny new toys are coming up (well the Kraken officially) that are doing a great job PR wise. Jesus, I get that Russell Wilson is a topic right now but local sports are spending more time on Wilson/Seahawks, the Kraken, the potential of the Sonics and in then giving 1 percent to anything Mariners.

Baseball does have an issue and has been at a crossroads for awhile and won’t acknowledge it. 1. The game has become boring with its players. Every year we have an incident where the older players or baseball purists say baseball is X, Y and Z. Though they ignore baseball’s entire history. Rickey Henderson was more “disrespectful” with his lead off home runs than any modern player just as one example. 2. America’s issue with the broken family. This is going to sound sexist as hell and I don’t give two cents. It is the exception to rule when a mother can get a boy or hell even a girl to invest in a sport like baseball. Baseball is a sport you learn from a dad, a brother, an uncle, grandpa or a substitute father role person because you can socially bond with that person during puberty. I have no idea how baseball can become cool with that segment but it is going to always have an uphill battle when basketball and football players have current and former players going at it about issues like Favre going after Watson. Modern day baseball players act like cowards when getting called out by former players and media for their actions compared to the NFL and NBA.
 

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The Padres are going all out this season. They look to be a solid force to be reckoned with. It's nice to see ownership putting up the bucks to get talent for a winning team. Wish the M's ownership would have opened their pocketbooks a couple years ago instead of now still waiting for "next year". Tired of being strung along again and again. :L Sorry to bitch but it's just the same old carrot being held out there.
Until the fans speak up with their pocket book, nothing will change because they're still making money doing it the way they are..
 

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The Padres are going all out this season. They look to be a solid force to be reckoned with. It's nice to see ownership putting up the bucks to get talent for a winning team. Wish the M's ownership would have opened their pocketbooks a couple years ago instead of now still waiting for "next year". Tired of being strung along again and again. :L Sorry to bitch but it's just the same old carrot being held out there.
That is the weird thing. The Mariners did, on paper, a quicker version of the Padres. But in Padres terms, 2020 was the offseason they got a Hosmer, and this offseason would’ve when the Padres got Machado. The Mariners didn’t get any valuable major leaguer for when they can go all in like the Padres have done. And sadly for the Mariners, it is highly unlikely a deal like Blake Snell will ever happen again where a top 5 pitcher in the game is available with a team friendly salary and plenty of years left on his contract.
 

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I like Paxton, but it’s a one year deal. Which makes no sense with the Giles signing and all signs to them punting to 2022. I know a lot of us joke about signing guys with the worst case scenario is trading them at the deadline. But this move, seems that is the only goal.
I think the fact that it is Paxton and not someone else makes complete sense given the marketing opportunities they can use (Maple Grove, etc.). Maybe Paxton really just prefers being here too. Who knows
 

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I think the fact that it is Paxton and not someone else makes complete sense given the marketing opportunities they can use (Maple Grove, etc.). Maybe Paxton really just prefers being here too. Who knows
I don’t question at all that he does. This is his American team because of where he is from. But as a franchise it doesn’t really make sense to give a one year deal. A one year show me deal isn’t 8 with realistic goals of 10. Unless there is some back door handshake that if he performs well this year he will take a hometown discount.

But I heard on the radio (take it for what it is worth) but the Mariners don’t get any local press evidently Marco has come out pretty vocal about not wanting a 6 man rotation and Paxton guarantees a 6 man with possibility of a 7 man rotation. I don’t know, the signing doesn’t make sense but I really do like it because just off of his stuff when he is right, Paxton is the most talented major league pitcher they have if he can just get over the crazy injury bug. He isn’t going to ever get the Marco mentality of the bulldog but Marco will never be the guy any manager truly wants to be on the mound in win or go home game.
 

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At least we aren't the Orioles...

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FanGraphs’ projected postseason odds give the Baltimore Orioles a 0.0% chance of making the playoffs

 

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I like Jarred and am looking forward to see his growth throughout 2021. Will be an intregal part of the "supposed" re-build?? lol
 

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Well ST for Pitchers/Catchers is getting off the ground. Today, (Wednesday) the high temp in Peoria is expected to be a balmy 67 degrees. As I post this, it is a whopping 39 degrees here. Sun is shining and most of the snow has melted. Ready for Spring and Summer. :suds:
 

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I like Jarred and am looking forward to see his growth throughout 2021. Will be an intregal part of the "supposed" re-build?? lol
I love everything about the dude. The only concern I really have about him is also his biggest strength in confidence. He is so confident in himself on paper he shouldn’t have the usual rookie slumps. But on that same note, what happens to his confidence when he gets humbled by the big leagues
 

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At least we aren't the Orioles...

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In the AL i like the Rays over the Red Sox and probably believe in the A's over the Angels. Otherwise I generally agree with this
 

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I love everything about the dude. The only concern I really have about him is also his biggest strength in confidence. He is so confident in himself on paper he shouldn’t have the usual rookie slumps. But on that same note, what happens to his confidence when he gets humbled by the big leagues
The problem I see with super confident baseball players is that tend to want to play in big media markets because their ego usually matches their confidence level. We have him for at least 4 or 5 years...enjoy.
 

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The problem I see with super confident baseball players is that tend to want to play in big media markets because their ego usually matches their confidence level. We have him for at least 4 or 5 years...enjoy.
I know it isn’t popular but I enjoyed ARod’s time in a Mariners uniform. Did I hate him to go, sure, but I still look fondly back to 96-2000. If he bolts, then whatever. But my feeling is by the time he is a free agent, there is either going to be a salary cap or a franchise tag in baseball.
 

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The problem I see with super confident baseball players is that tend to want to play in big media markets because their ego usually matches their confidence level. We have him for at least 4 or 5 years...enjoy.
And on a side note, players want to play on big markets for big sponsorships not because they like dealing with all the bs that goes with it. The Mariners reporters and media are very soft here and we got some white whales in advertising in obviously Amazon, Expedia, Microsoft etc. Russell Wilson got the Alaska Airlines. There is more than enough in the Puget Sound area in terms of available money than any big market. But we don’t have is the access to the same type of women LA, NY, TX or Florida has though.
 
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