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But not over cutting an ape from your team.
Are you here making racist comments because your team has nothing to play for. You don't have to answer but you can take your ugly comments elsewhere racist.
 

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Marino and Montana are the best qbs of all time, with Manning (Peyton, not Eli) right behind them in terms of ability, but Brady ain’t no slouch either.

Brady/Belicheck is clearly the best combo of all time. Better than Noll/Beadshaw, or Walsh/Montana/Young.

Though Andy Reid is proving to be climbing the ranks too, and if Mahomey wins multiple super bowls, Reid might beat Belicheck too.

I think Marino may have had the single greatest season. Compare his 1984 season to his peers in 84...it is insane. Marino is way up there but never had the help.

Brady is great, I just think Peyton on the Patriots would have never lost.

Montana is overrated in my opinion. The WCO was a surprise and he was surrounded by hall of farmers. Then you get his replacement in Steve Young and one could argue he was better than Montana.
 

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Are you saying Dalton doesn't have the goods to be an NFL bonafide starter? I beg to differ. Dalton would be a perfect stop gap starter for the WFT next season. Yes, starter!

I am saying Dalton was not the starter. You can’t count Dallas QBs twice.

If Dalton wants to come here cheaply, I am fine with that...but I just assume keep Kyle Allen.
 

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I am saying Dalton was not the starter. You can’t count Dallas QBs twice.

If Dalton wants to come here cheaply, I am fine with that...but I just assume keep Kyle Allen.
If I had the choice to win ball games, Dalton over Allen, no brainer. Not that Dalton has a higher ceiling or anything but its not long term and RIGHT NOW, Dalton is a better QB fundamentally than Allen in my humble opinion. For one season I could live with a competition of Dalton/Allen/Montez/Hieneke.
 

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If I had the choice to win ball games, Dalton over Allen, no brainer. Not that Dalton has a higher ceiling or anything but its not long term and RIGHT NOW, Dalton is a better QB fundamentally than Allen in my humble opinion. For one season I could live with a competition of Dalton/Allen/Montez/Hieneke.
Either way, that looks like a qb room full of guys who "get it" and what it takes to play qb in this league unlike the fella who was just shown the door.
 

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If I had the choice to win ball games, Dalton over Allen, no brainer. Not that Dalton has a higher ceiling or anything but its not long term and RIGHT NOW, Dalton is a better QB fundamentally than Allen in my humble opinion. For one season I could live with a competition of Dalton/Allen/Montez/Hieneke.

I fully respect this.

The problem I have with Dalton will be expense. I believe Dalton will likely get a contract worth 20 mil or more per season. If we sign Dalton, we have to cut AS and save 11 million.

I just assume keep AS, unless we can sign Dalton for 13 million.
 

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look allen will cost us 675, 000 , to keep him as a BU . that is a must with the qb situation and the cap . and despite my shit show with he earlier in the season and he is certainly worth keeping and developing

i dont think dalton runs at 20 mil per year , he is about 7-8 mil tops or i just dont acquire him
 

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look allen will cost us 675, 000 , to keep him as a BU . that is a must with the qb situation and the cap . and despite my shit show with he earlier in the season and he is certainly worth keeping and developing

i dont think dalton runs at 20 mil per year , he is about 7-8 mil tops or i just dont acquire him

You may be right about Dalton. I don’t know if I see 20 mil but I can see a bit more than you are projecting. The last three games he has thrown for 7 TD, 1 pick, and 250ish per game...with three wins.
 

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Wait a minute, Dad. Getting legit safety play was no where near that easy.




You got Foles in 18, a not what he once was P Manning in 16, A still more game manager than top 5 QB in Wilson in 14, a played like a top 5 QB at the perfect time, but he really wasn't Flacco in 13, Eli in 12 n 07, Big Ben 1st 09, Brad Johnson in 02, Brady's 1st one in 01 n Dilfer in 00.

That's 10 Super Bowls won by non-franchise QBs or decent starters. Though some probably consider Eli a franchise guy so from that perspective. 8 SBs won by non-franchise guys. So your opinion holds water n I know @Stymietee feels the same about building a team over getting a franchise guy.

But.......and I guess this is getting way ahead of ourselves or at least me getting ahead of myself. Do decent starters win multiple SBs?
You don't need a "franchise QB" to win it all. I'm sticking with that because as has happened all too often, teams call winning SB QB'S "franchise" even when they aren't that. I'll bet that few here or anywhere will agree on what that term entails. In current times, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins and some others have been viewed as "franchise" guys, but no matter how much money they are paid, it simply doesn't make them so. Build that O-line, give me a stout defense, and watch the wreckage left in the wake of such a team. I'm going to continue to say it over and over, build that team first and they win with competent guys. To be fair, Kirk was bound to fail here because he was merely competent on a ever evolving barely competent team. (See: Minnesota)
 

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Brandon Allen, Andy Dalton, and Mike Glennon are not true starters. They are the backups.

I still say Peyton was better and Mahommes is on a course to be better than all.
Hell, if this is the group of possible candidates, trade for Kirk Cousins, Minnesota would gladly jump at trade offers for that guy. I would love for Cousins to return here, hell, I'd volunteer to build the effigy.
 

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Hell, if this is the group of possible candidates, trade for Kirk Cousins, Minnesota would gladly jump at trade offers for that guy. I would love for Cousins to return here, hell, I'd volunteer to build the effigy.
Hell no Kirk Cousins sucks
 

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You don't need a "franchise QB" to win it all. I'm sticking with that because as has happened all too often, teams call winning SB QB'S "franchise" even when they aren't that. I'll bet that few here or anywhere will agree on what that term entails. In current times, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins and some others have been viewed as "franchise" guys, but no matter how much money they are paid, it simply doesn't make them so. Build that O-line, give me a stout defense, and watch the wreckage left in the wake of such a team. I'm going to continue to say it over and over, build that team first and they win with competent guys. To be fair, Kirk was bound to fail here because he was merely competent on a ever evolving barely competent team. (See: Minnesota)

Anybody viewing Foles or Kirk as franchise guys would be viewing them in the wrong light. Though both did have damn near perfect timing at critical points in their careers. For Foles it led to a Super Bowl win/SB MVP. For Kirk it led to 140+ million in earnings.
 

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Anybody viewing Foles or Kirk as franchise guys would be viewing them in the wrong light. Though both did have damn near perfect timing at critical points in their careers. For Foles it led to a Super Bowl win/SB MVP. For Kirk it led to 140+ million in earnings.
I purposely named them just to keep their names, specifically Cousins name alive around these parts. It's counter to a particular poster who still when listed among such illustrious names like, Tony Banks, Rex Grossman, RGIII, Tim Hasselbeck, Jason Campbell, and Colt McCoy, insists that Cousins is the best the we've had in a long time as if that had some significance, comparatively speaking. Our mysterious poster loves the guy, so I'm begging you, please, please, please, don't tell him that Kirk sucks!
 
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if we had KC on this team we would be in the playoffs at 10-6
 

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if we had KC on this team we would be in the playoffs at 10-6
That's interesting, Minnesota has him, a fierce ground game and better overall receivers, and their current record is 6-9. I suppose that one can refer to our defense when making such a claim, but alas, with this defense our record is surprisingly also 6-9. Offensive stats show a difference but then we'd have to make subtractions from those stats contributed by their RB' vs ours, their receivers vs ours and such. To me with him, I believe that our record would be close to 7-8, 6-9, or 5-10.
 
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That's interesting, Minnesota has him, a fierce ground game and better overall receivers, and their current record is 6-9. I suppose that one can refer to our defense when making such a claim, but alas, with this defense our record is surprisingly also 6-9. Offensive stats show a difference but then we'd have to make subtractions from those stats contributed by their RB' vs ours, their receivers vs ours and such. To me with him, I believe that our record would be close to 7-8, 6-9, or 5-10.

Our team is better on defense and the OL. I think we could be better than 10-6 with KC.
 

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Our team is better on defense and the OL. I think we could be better than 10-6 with KC.
Not sure about the O-line, that unit has blasted holes for their running game all year and has provided adequate protection for Kirk. He's the problem there and has been called out for it several times this year. If dude was making a few million dollars that would be different. For the money that he makes, they should be 11-5, 12-4 and serious contenders in the upcoming playoffs, not eliminated from them.
 
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