2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

[tlance]

@Mecca

what you know about the Ibuprofen rumors?

True or not?

 

[Heatles84]

the US had the highest grade of readiness of any country because of its healthcare/bio-medical infrastructure but totally bungled it.

Thats why very soon (if not today) we will pass up China as the country with the most cases in the world.

We have the most advanced health care system and the best doctors in the world, we had months to take action, and it was totally bungled---- and very soon we will have the most cases in the world becuase of it--- DESPITE having the best infrastructure to handle it.

We technically already have according to John Hopkins. But that's because they likely have stopped testing and are not reporting accurate numbers.

 

[Black Adam]

Who will be the first to defend Trump on this one?

Trump tells foxnews he doesn't think areas need 40,000 to 30,000 ventilators. New York currently has 39,000 covid-19 cases, and 450 have died

don't look at me...

 

[trojanfan12]

That actually means we had a 2-3 month head start.

No it doesn't. If China was covering it up and denying it, no one knew it was even happening except for them. Only China had a 2-3 month head start and that's not counting the period of time they were downplaying it's seriousness, thus slowing the response of the rest of the world.

Disease Experts knew this would eventually get here. Why weren’t we doing more back then to stock up on test kits and ventilators?

Initially, because it was being downplayed so we didn't know how many were needed. You act like this is something that everyone had full knowledge of immediately. That's not the case.

People are looking at info that we have now, some of which we didn't have until as recently as 2 weeks ago and trying to apply it to what was happening 2 months ago.

Again, I'm not saying that Trump has done a great job on this or that mistakes haven't been made. But some of it perfectly understandable considering how events have played out and when info was available.

I think his biggest mistake was that it looks like he thought the travel restrictions would be enough to at least keep things from getting too bad. He should have called for ramping up the development of tests and treatments and making sure necessary equipment was available as a precaution.

 

[dtgold88]

Our cases have sky rocketed as our culture is different from a lot of other countries. I'm not the biggest Trump fan, and I've found his responses to this pandemic, to be less than satisfactory. Having said that, is he responsible for people going out and licking toilets, or people purposefully coughing on produce? Is he responsible for people being negligent and irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's health that chose to go out and still play 5-on-5 basketball games? Or throw COVID-19 parties?

no?

what do I win?

 

[dtgold88]

Honestly,

Yes. He is partially responsible.

Because back in February he was driving the bus telling people it wasn’t a big deal. Now he is talking about opening things back up by Easter.

Had he treated this with the level of concern that he should have from the jump, perhaps mainstream America would be practicing a lot more caution and restraint today. So while he isn’t directly responsible for Covid 19 parties, I do believe his leadership, or lack thereof has shaped a lot of opinions and behaviors of American people.

Partially responsible? Absolutely. I liken it to the fan who blames a coach he does not like for everything that goes wrong, though. Trump might be a dunderhead, but some of this is not on him.

 

[dtgold88]

I agree, but it's also hindsight based on what we know now, not on what was happening at the time.

It needs to be remembered that when he put the travel restrictions in place, the W.H.O. called it an overreaction and some Democrats said it was racist.

The W.H.O. has since said it was the right thing to do and probably bought them an extra 2-3 weeks.



It's kind of funny to see people talk about how "unprecedented" this is and how "it's a fluid situation" and how "little we know".

Yet, according to some, he was somehow supposed to handle all of this perfectly and find a cure himself.

and if he did find a cure himself the far left would find reason to complain.

 

[trojanfan12]

Our cases have sky rocketed as our culture is different from a lot of other countries. I'm not the biggest Trump fan, and I've found his responses to this pandemic, to be less than satisfactory. Having said that, is he responsible for people going out and licking toilets, or people purposefully coughing on produce? Is he responsible for people being negligent and irresponsible and inconsiderate of other people's health that chose to go out and still play 5-on-5 basketball games? Or throw COVID-19 parties?

I think that some are trying to claim that his downplaying it has led to that.

The one thing we know about stupid people is that they are going to do stupid shit. So, he downplays it and we get people licking toilet seats, having parties, etc.

So, downplay it or not, plenty of people would still find something stupid to do.

 

[trojanfan12]

and if he did find a cure himself the far left would find reason to complain.

lol

You're probably right.

"Didn't find it fast enough."

"Don't like the side effect of turning everyone orange"

 

[tlance]

No it doesn't. If China was covering it up and denying it, no one knew it was even happening except for them. Only China had a 2-3 month head start and that's not counting the period of time they were downplaying it's seriousness, thus slowing the response of the rest of the world.



Initially, because it was being downplayed so we didn't know how many were needed. You act like this is something that everyone had full knowledge of immediately. That's not the case.

People are looking at info that we have now, some of which we didn't have until as recently as 2 weeks ago and trying to apply it to what was happening 2 months ago.

Again, I'm not saying that Trump has done a great job on this or that mistakes haven't been made. But some of it perfectly understandable considering how events have played out and when info was available.

I think his biggest mistake was that it looks like he thought the travel restrictions would be enough to at least keep things from getting too bad. He should have called for ramping up the development of tests and treatments and making sure necessary equipment was available as a precaution.

China knew about the disease first because it originated there. Their “head start” was literally while they were treating it and dealing with it.

Sure, China downplayed it publicly. But we 100% for sure had time to prepare before the disease arrived in the US. China did not have that.

Of course we know more today. But the whole point is that China is the 1 country that had absolutely zero chance to get ahead of this virus before it arrived because it started there.

We should have done more up front. Bottom line, end of story.

And Trump’s biggest mistake is being a pompous idiot who speaks his mind freely without due consideration. There is no logical reason to support his handling of this. He has done a terrible job overall. Pointing to a couple things he did right is crazy in the face of all he has done wrong.

And that doesn’t mean that it is all his fault. Of course it isn’t. I don’t think any 1st term president would be likely to survive this. But Trump could have done a lot to help while instead he has probably done more harm than good.

And he can still do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters.

 

[tlance]

Partially responsible? Absolutely. I liken it to the fan who blames a coach he does not like for everything that goes wrong, though. Trump might be a dunderhead, but some of this is not on him.

Of course it is not all on him. Couldn’t possibly be.

But it is time for people to stop defending him. He has not handled this situation well at all.

 

[dtgold88]

i just dont think he realizes that people actually tune in to get real advice from a president duruing a crisis. You just cant say stupid fucking shit like- "everyone can get a test that wants them- and the tests are perfect"- - when in reality, ESPECIALLY at that time, it was just a completely false claim.

there is no room for bullshit and propaganda during a crisis and he just doesnt get that. The office of the President moves mountains with what he says and people take it seriously and he doesnst take seriously what comes out of his mouth.

when its not a crisis we can laugh it off. When it is a crisis it becomes downright dangerous.

all true and he is a complete dunderhead (as many thought before this)....but this is not all on him. Not even close.

do the Fear and Blame stations help?

 

[dtgold88]

Of course it is not all on him. Couldn’t possibly be.

But it is time for people to stop defending him. He has not handled this situation well at all.

No doubt those who like him defend him too much.......but those who don't often blame him too much.

 

[dtgold88]

lol

You're probably right.

"Didn't find it fast enough."

"Don't like the side effect of turning everyone orange"

"Only did it to win the 2020 election"

 

[trojanfan12]

Sure, China downplayed it publicly. But we 100% for sure had time to prepare before the disease arrived in the US. China did not have that.

No, they didn't just "downplay it publicly". They covered it up and denied for at least a month or 2 prior to getting to the point of downplaying it.

So, while they may have had to deal with it as it was happening, they were also covering it up and denying it.

We should have done more up front. Bottom line, end of story.

No one has denied that. However, I doubt any President would have "done enough" when considering how this thing was handled first by China, then by the World Health Organization and how much has had to be learned about this pretty much on the fly.

And Trump’s biggest mistake is being a pompous idiot who speaks his mind freely without due consideration. There is no logical reason to support his handling of this. He has done a terrible job overall. Pointing to a couple things he did right is crazy in the face of all he has done wrong.

And completely ignoring how this was handled by China and the World Health Organization back when this could have been stopped or at least slowed significantly just to put it all on Trump is politicizing this, which is also crazy.

 

[trojanfan12]

Alright, we need something to argue about beside the fucking virus.

Gonna start a thread so we can argue about Lebron.

 

[tlance]

No, they didn't just "downplay it publicly". They covered it up and denied for at least a month or 2 prior to getting to the point of downplaying it.

So, while they may have had to deal with it as it was happening, they were also covering it up and denying it.



No one has denied that. However, I doubt any President would have "done enough" when considering how this thing was handled first by China, then by the World Health Organization and how much has had to be learned about this pretty much on the fly.



And completely ignoring how this was handled by China and the World Health Organization back when this could have been stopped or at least slowed significantly just to put it all on Trump is politicizing this, which is also crazy.

I have not put it all on Trump.

I even said, I don’t think any 1st term president would be likely keep office in the wake of this. It is an impossible situation.

Having said that, I can’t imagine any past presidents in the modern era handling this worse than Trump has.

his constant need to spout off at the mouth about things he knows little to nothing about is reckless. And you can’t do that as leader of the free world.

 

[WiggyRuss]

No, they didn't just "downplay it publicly". They covered it up and denied for at least a month or 2 prior to getting to the point of downplaying it.

So, while they may have had to deal with it as it was happening, they were also covering it up and denying it.



No one has denied that. However, I doubt any President would have "done enough" when considering how this thing was handled first by China, then by the World Health Organization and how much has had to be learned about this pretty much on the fly.



And completely ignoring how this was handled by China and the World Health Organization back when this could have been stopped or at least slowed significantly just to put it all on Trump is politicizing this, which is also crazy.

the guy dissolved the Pandemic response department that he inherited from Obama. He defunded it and got rid of it. thats not something made up- thats a fact.

we literally had a biodefense department and he gutted it and defunded in 2018.

 

[trojanfan12]

I even said, I don’t think any 1st term president would be likely keep office in the wake of this. It is an impossible situation.

I didn't say you did. But there are plenty who are.

I see you talking about how "crazy" it is to point out what he's done well. But not pointing out how the constant criticism and placement of blame may well be part of why we're seeing some of the panic buying, etc. that's happening.

No question he's made mistakes, no one that I know of has claimed otherwise.

As you said, it's an impossible situation. I can't think of any President that I would be confident would have handled it any better.

Maybe Reagan or Bill Clinton would have done a better job of talking about it, but that's about it.

 

[tlance]

I didn't say you did. But there are plenty who are.

I see you talking about how "crazy" it is to point out what he's done well. But not pointing out how the constant criticism and placement of blame may well be part of why we're seeing some of the panic buying, etc. that's happening.

No question he's made mistakes, no one that I know of has claimed otherwise.

As you said, it's an impossible situation. I can't think of any President that I would be confident would have handled it any better.

Maybe Reagan or Bill Clinton would have done a better job of talking about it, but that's about it.

No other modern president spouts off at the mouth like Trump.

So none would have done the harm Trump has in that regard. And as others have stated, it isn’t like his other decisions have helped matters overall.