The 2019 NFL Free Agency/Trade Thread

[dtgold88]

Pivot? Refuse to admit I'm wrong? Who's the judge that decides who's right or wrong on here? I presented my evidence on bridge and I stand by it. He was fortunate to receive 20 M starting for a rebuilding team and 20 M is nothing to brag about in todays NFL. Brees doesn't go down he most likely doesn't even get that....

Also why would I admit to believing that the Fins will take longer than 10 years to rebuild when I believe they have a solid plan in place? SP is convinced that they can't use the draft and FA to build a contender to me that's insanity. Do you believe he is right?

You were wrong about TB...Own it. Or don't, I guess.

agree with you Miami can rebuild quickly IF they hit on their picks and FA acquisitions.

 

[handicappers]

Actually, this upcoming season will be year FOUR of Dolphins rebuilding. Just can't find the right materials.

 

[SteelersPride]

You were wrong about TB...Own it. Or don't, I guess.

agree with you Miami can rebuild quickly IF they hit on their picks and FA acquisitions.

well you know, that statistically, There is alot of players in the league that are round 3+ draft picks, Miami has got this locked up.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

just for the record.
I am not expecting you to admit you were wrong on Bridgewater.

but also for the record & am agreeing with SP in this regards.
Dont think I have partaken in the how long it takes the dolphins to rebuild. that is a foolish debate either way.

You could be rebuilt as early as next year or as the Browns have proven decades later! That cant be answered until after it is proven (answered)

Like I said I'm happy for the guy I just think that he had the potential to do better for himself if he played the whole season. I have found through life that when you sit on the sidelines things never go as well in comparison to taking the bull by the horns. Anyway no using beating this any further I respect your opinion.

The point of my debate about the Fins rebuild with a few on here is when SP tried to insinuate that its virtually impossible to build a team through the draft and FA. He quoted it would take more than ten years due the odds of finding players and losing some along the way. Why bother with the draft and FA then??? But he had no answer as to how he would rebuild a franchise, then said I twisted the question and proceeded to hide.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

i spent pages, reiterating the same facts, to watch you pivot, not answer, then try to turn to asking me questions, while posting and quoting exactly what was said.........not manning up to being wrong, when multiple people say your wrong, seems kinda childish? no? back to ignore you came of briefly to read part of the convo. Again, make sure that no matter who you are talking to, you reference me in every post. Im not in your head at alll. You couldnt even talk to this other fella without bringing me up twice.......

You are part of the debate so don't flatter yourself partake in it instead of hiding. Look I could take bits and pieces of your comments and make you sound like a serial killer but I don't. The quotes you took were either out of context or made no sense.

I said I was wrong about Devonte Parker and you spew all kinds of nonsense that he's garbage and I was right about him the whole time. Ok whatever he needs to keep it up that I can agree with but he still finished the season top 5 in yards on the worst team in football according to you. Seems to be some bias here but you can't be wrong so I'll just walk away....

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Bridgewater contract is for 45 million, 18 million guaranteed. Why do you keep mentioning 20 million?

I was just going by what others had said and this link says 21 M per but you are probably right it's less if they opt out in year 3.

Teddy Bridgewater

 

[FlyerFinFan]

did you just not understand what I said? If not, ask and I'll explain it further.

Sorry I was referring to southie he always comes to our page to spew nonsense and when you challenge him he admits he was just trying to get a rise. Of course I'm not going to bet cash on here its senseless.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

You were wrong about TB...Own it. Or don't, I guess.

agree with you Miami can rebuild quickly IF they hit on their picks and FA acquisitions.

As I said to the rest if he was so right in his decision why did he not receive a better starting QB contract? I assumed 20 M but in reality it could be a lot less if they walk away in year 3. Hopefully he plays lights out for carolina but they may not be very good next year....possibly a lot worse than Miami.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Actually, this upcoming season will be year FOUR of Dolphins rebuilding. Just can't find the right materials.

I wish you were right but Gase was actually doing everything in his power to win. He used up every resource and cap that's why they had to cut bait last season and restart.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

well you know, that statistically, There is alot of players in the league that are round 3+ draft picks, Miami has got this locked up.

See there you go again taking what I said out of context. You really do have issues don't you? Shit I think I need to put you on ignore as you are even more irrational than NW....

 

[HaroldSeattle]

As I said to the rest if he was so right in his decision why did he not receive a better starting QB contract? I assumed 20 M but in reality it could be a lot less if they walk away in year 3. Hopefully he plays lights out for carolina but they may not be very good next year....possibly a lot worse than Miami.

It's a 45 million dollar contract vs the 10 million contract the Dolphins offered and that's without even considering the money he got from the Saints that was 12.5 including incentives.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

It's a 45 million dollar contract vs the 10 million contract the Dolphins offered and that's without even considering the money he got from the Saints that was 12.5 including incentives.

Apparently the Fins 2nd offer was more than 10 M for one year so if he performed even close to Fitz's level which is possible for him he could have cashed in this year even more. Besides part of my point was that he was fortunate to even play a down last year as Brees has been pretty damn healthy the past number of years.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Apparently the Fins 2nd offer was more than 10 M for one year so if he performed even close to Fitz's level which is possible for him he could have cashed in this year even more. Besides part of my point was that he was fortunate to even play a down last year as Brees has been pretty damn healthy the past number of years.

The so called second offer is fiction that the Dolphins put out to the media to save face. Nobody can quote figures from that so called offer, nobody. Not dollars, nor guaranteed money. The fact is the Dolphins were looking for a QB for below market level, by a lot more.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article227680629.html

The Dolphins are in the strange position of needing a starting quarterback but not wanting to pay full freight for one in free agency because veteran starting quarterbacks — even the unremarkable ones — cost $16 million annually and up.


The reason the Dolphins don’t want to pay that much is partly because they’re going to carry at minimum some $7 million in dead money on the Ryan Tannehill contract and mostly because what they intend is to eventually draft their real starting quarterback of the future — either this draft or the next.

The team is hoping to win on several fronts. Miami wants to find a veteran starter, pay him below NFL market value, draft Rookie Franchise QB Guy, and let the situation between those two players develop however it may over the next year or two.

The problem is no available veteran quarterback has been seeing things like the Dolphins were seeing things before Wednesday. No one has cooperated.

The Dolphins apparently approached Bridgewater days ago, and whatever happened in those talks only convinced Bridgewater’s camp to leak to the NFL Network that Bridgewater was going back to New Orleans as the backup and heir to Drew Brees.


Because any starting quarterback whom a team has a conviction about usually gets a longer-term deal — typically four years — which guarantees the player will be around at least two years before the team can vacate the agreement without a huge salary-cap backlash.

If Bridgewater can’t get that deal from the Dolphins he can always go back to New Orleans and wait out the 40-year-old Brees or try to hit the market again next year and find a better situation.


It's like Salguero had a crystal ball, because that is what Bridgewater did and seems to have worked out fine. Definitely better then accepting the Dolphins less then back up offer.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

See there you go again taking what I said out of context. You really do have issues don't you? Shit I think I need to put you on ignore as you are even more irrational than NW....

Says the guy who can't seem to comprehend anyone's posts but his own.

Have you taken a look? Almost every poster on here says the same thing about your nonesense.

SP is right you just choose to ignore the fact that Mia has been rebuilding for years already. If Miami hits on a few picks and what they're doing in FA they could possibly compete in a couple years.

Just in time for all those new contracts to come due and they can start rebuilding again.

Lucky for you they have plenty of expirence.

 

[dtgold88]

Like I said I'm happy for the guy I just think that he had the potential to do better for himself if he played the whole season. I have found through life that when you sit on the sidelines things never go as well in comparison to taking the bull by the horns. Anyway no using beating this any further I respect your opinion.

The point of my debate about the Fins rebuild with a few on here is when SP tried to insinuate that its virtually impossible to build a team through the draft and FA. He quoted it would take more than ten years due the odds of finding players and losing some along the way. Why bother with the draft and FA then??? But he had no answer as to how he would rebuild a franchise, then said I twisted the question and proceeded to hide.

while the Phins can succeed I question some ways they went about this.

Might have made some mistakes (Coleman pick) but I think a full blown tank might have been better. are you really glad they won a few extra, meaningless games as opposed to having their choice at the top of the draft next month?

I get the Browns not keeping overpaid, aging vets in their tank, but trading young stars on rookie deals like Tunsil and Fitzpatrick?

 

[dtgold88]

Sorry I was referring to southie he always comes to our page to spew nonsense and when you challenge him he admits he was just trying to get a rise. Of course I'm not going to bet cash on here its senseless.

Especially when if you win your payday comes in 2030.

 

[dtgold88]

Apparently the Fins 2nd offer was more than 10 M for one year so if he performed even close to Fitz's level which is possible for him he could have cashed in this year even more. Besides part of my point was that he was fortunate to even play a down last year as Brees has been pretty damn healthy the past number of years.

But you are going with IFs here as to what happens if he signs with Miami...yet you dismiss his success in NO as he could not have known he would get to play due to a Brees injury.

comes down to you now being happy he spurned Miami. No more, no less.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

The so called second offer is fiction that the Dolphins put out to the media to save face. Nobody can quote figures from that so called offer, nobody. Not dollars, nor guaranteed money. The fact is the Dolphins were looking for a QB for below market level, by a lot more.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article227680629.html

The Dolphins are in the strange position of needing a starting quarterback but not wanting to pay full freight for one in free agency because veteran starting quarterbacks — even the unremarkable ones — cost $16 million annually and up.


The reason the Dolphins don’t want to pay that much is partly because they’re going to carry at minimum some $7 million in dead money on the Ryan Tannehill contract and mostly because what they intend is to eventually draft their real starting quarterback of the future — either this draft or the next.

The team is hoping to win on several fronts. Miami wants to find a veteran starter, pay him below NFL market value, draft Rookie Franchise QB Guy, and let the situation between those two players develop however it may over the next year or two.

The problem is no available veteran quarterback has been seeing things like the Dolphins were seeing things before Wednesday. No one has cooperated.

The Dolphins apparently approached Bridgewater days ago, and whatever happened in those talks only convinced Bridgewater’s camp to leak to the NFL Network that Bridgewater was going back to New Orleans as the backup and heir to Drew Brees.


Because any starting quarterback whom a team has a conviction about usually gets a longer-term deal — typically four years — which guarantees the player will be around at least two years before the team can vacate the agreement without a huge salary-cap backlash.

If Bridgewater can’t get that deal from the Dolphins he can always go back to New Orleans and wait out the 40-year-old Brees or try to hit the market again next year and find a better situation.


It's like Salguero had a crystal ball, because that is what Bridgewater did and seems to have worked out fine. Definitely better then accepting the Dolphins less then back up offer.

This is all speculation and why on earth would any NFL team hand him a 4 year deal when no one had a clue if he could hold up with his bad knee or even be productive in general. If he was in a position to barter why weren't there any other offers out there last year??? Salguero for the most part is an idiot who thinks that he knows it all but knows nothing. Ask anyone in Miami.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Says the guy who can't seem to comprehend anyone's posts but his own.

Have you taken a look? Almost every poster on here says the same thing about your nonesense.

SP is right you just choose to ignore the fact that Mia has been rebuilding for years already. If Miami hits on a few picks and what they're doing in FA they could possibly compete in a couple years.

Just in time for all those new contracts to come due and they can start rebuilding again.

Lucky for you they have plenty of expirence.

Just SP's little gang otherwise most of the people I chat with are fine. We don't always agree which is normal for a site such as this but this group seems to show a lot of vag when you disagree with them.

I wish Miami was rebuilding for years but you should know that gase wasn't trying to tank he kept signing older vets in an attempt to win. That is not rebuilding that's idiocy....

 

[FlyerFinFan]

while the Phins can succeed I question some ways they went about this.

Might have made some mistakes (Coleman pick) but I think a full blown tank might have been better. are you really glad they won a few extra, meaningless games as opposed to having their choice at the top of the draft next month?

I get the Browns not keeping overpaid, aging vets in their tank, but trading young stars on rookie deals like Tunsil and Fitzpatrick?

Coleman are you thinking Harris DE? Harris is looking like a bust but otherwise Grier has been pretty good in the draft even in later rounds he's finding players.

Sure it would be great if they ended up at 1 or 2 but winning does have benefits as it breeds success and creates that winning culture. Also helps in FA which shows how they did better with that this past offseason. During the past two regimes they would never be able to sign guys like Jones or Van Noy unless they doubled the salary.

Minkah they didn't want to move but he was whining had to go. If anything they hopefully replace him with a similar player on a rookie deal but they didn't want to move him wasn't in the plan. Tunsil they held out and received a stupid offer. You have to take stupid offers when they are throw at you.