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[PhoenixEagles1]

oh no. Just when I thought we were turning a corner.
you left out the rest of it.

negotiated by the Contract Advisor. For example, and without limitation,
the term compensation shall not include any “honor” incentive bonuses (e.g., ALL PRO, PRO
BOWL, Rookie of the Year), or any collectively bargained benefits or other payments provided
for in the player’s individual contract.

so yes in a normal contract that the agent provides an option year (like Foles) the Agent would get paid.
A CBA 5th year option. Doesnt look like it.

Im confused to what this is saying. YOu said it earlier too. "The term compensation shall not include other payments provided for in the players individual contract.
Im confused on both parts. One part is saying they do get paid for option years. Then it says compensation isnt any collected bargain benefits. Does that mean money? Is there a lawyer in the house?

 

[Manster7588]

Hate to break it to you but thats what I just posted. It says Agents get paid for anything classified as "compensation".

Compensation is defined as: As used in this Section 4(B), the term “compensation” shall be deemed to include only salaries, signing bonuses, reporting bonuses, roster bonuses, Practice Squad salary in excess of the minimum Practice Squad salary specified in Article 33 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and any performance incentives earned by the player during the term of the contract (including any option year)

So you can apologize to me. It says agents get paid for compensation. Then it says compensation is defined as "earned by the player during the term of the contract (including any option year)"

Those option years they get compensation for is options they negotiate.

Now do agents negotiate the 5th year option?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

You either don't comprehend or your refusing to read the full paragraph.

Agents cannot be compensated for any thing collectively Bargained. The 5th year option is not negotiated as it is I fact set per the CBA, therefore no agent compensation.

Come on use that degree of yours.

Its too confusing and we need a lawyer because in the early part it says compensation does include option years. It doesnt say anything collectively bargained. It says Collectively Bargained Benefits. Is that salary? I dont know. Im not saying @jarntt should tell us because he agreed with em earlier but I do think he is a contract Lawyer. I will admit when Im wrong but its saying they do get paid for option years and then it says they dont get paid for CBA benefits. I dont know if thats salary.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Im confused to what this is saying. YOu said it earlier too. "The term compensation shall not include other payments provided for in the players individual contract.
Im confused on both parts. One part is saying they do get paid for option years. Then it says compensation isnt any collected bargain benefits. Does that mean money? Is there a lawyer in the house?

I stayed in a Holiday Express once!

 

[Manster7588]

Im confused to what this is saying. YOu said it earlier too. "The term compensation shall not include other payments provided for in the players individual contract.
Im confused on both parts. One part is saying they do get paid for option years. Then it says compensation isnt any collected bargain benefits. Does that mean money? Is there a lawyer in the house?

It's really simple. Agents cannot be compensated for benefits they can't negotiate.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Those option years they get compensation for is options they negotiate.

Now do agents negotiate the 5th year option?

But it doesnt say that.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

It's really simple. Agents cannot be compensated for benefits they can't negotiate.

But we dont know if benefits are salary. THeyd say money earned not "benefits:. I really dont know and am totally confused.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Its too confusing and we need a lawyer because in the early part it says compensation does include option years. It doesnt say anything collectively bargained. It says Collectively Bargained Benefits. Is that salary? I dont know. Im not saying @jarntt should tell us because he agreed with em earlier but I do think he is a contract Lawyer. I will admit when Im wrong but its saying they do get paid for option years and then it says they dont get paid for CBA benefits. I dont know if thats salary.

yes. Foles had a 20 mil. option year with the eagles correct?
If he & the team exercised that option. the Agent would get his cut of the 20 mil.

Rookie contract option year is a CBA thing. So the "term compensation shall not include ....... "

That how I read it.

 

[Manster7588]

But it doesnt say that.

Actually it does.
The CBA states the 5th year is not negotiable and MUST be included in every 1st rd picks contract. This says agents do not get paid for any collectively bargained benefits or other payments provided for in the player’s individual contract.

 

[Manster7588]

But we dont know if benefits are salary. THeyd say money earned not "benefits:. I really dont know and am totally confused.

I says agents don't get paid for any thing they cannot negotiate.

It's not that hard to understand, unless you REFUSE to do so .

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I says agents don't get paid for any thing they cannot negotiate.

It's not that hard to understand, unless you REFUSE to do so .

It does not say that. And I dont know if CBA benefits are his salary. If you are right you are right but you are stating some half truths and making some assumptions. For example, when tagged they use the CBA to determine salary but the agent gets paid for that, So they do get paid for things they dont negotiate.

I defer to someone who knows contract verbiage better then me. What do you think @jarntt about the following...

B. Contract Advisor’s Compensation (1) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be three percent (3%) of the “compensation” (as defined within this Section) received by the player in each playing season covered by the contract negotiated by the Contract Advisor, except as follows:
(a) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be:

(i) Two percent (2%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation, or as a Restricted Free Agent;

(ii) One-and-one-half percent (1.5%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the second time he is tagged; and

(iii) One percent (1%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the third time he is tagged.

(2) The Contract Advisor and player may agree to any fee which is less than the maximum fee set forth in (1) above.

(3) As used in this Section 4(B), the term “compensation” shall be deemed to include only salaries, signing bonuses, reporting bonuses, roster bonuses, Practice Squad salary in excess of the minimum Practice Squad salary specified in Article 33 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and any performance incentives earned by the player during the term of the contract (including any option year) negotiated by the Contract Advisor.

For example, and without limitation, the term compensation shall not include any “honor” incentive bonuses (e.g., ALL PRO, PRO BOWL, Rookie of the Year), or any collectively bargained benefits or other payments provided for in the player’s individual contract.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

It does not say that. And I dont know if CBA benefits are his salary. If you are right you are right but you are stating some half truths and making some assumptions. For example, when tagged they use the CBA to determine salary but the agent gets paid for that, So they do get paid for things they dont negotiate.

I defer to someone who knows contract verbiage better then me. What do you think @jarntt about the following...

B. Contract Advisor’s Compensation (1) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be three percent (3%) of the “compensation” (as defined within this Section) received by the player in each playing season covered by the contract negotiated by the Contract Advisor, except as follows:
(a) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be:

(i) Two percent (2%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation, or as a Restricted Free Agent;

(ii) One-and-one-half percent (1.5%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the second time he is tagged; and

(iii) One percent (1%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the third time he is tagged.

(2) The Contract Advisor and player may agree to any fee which is less than the maximum fee set forth in (1) above.

(3) As used in this Section 4(B), the term “compensation” shall be deemed to include only salaries, signing bonuses, reporting bonuses, roster bonuses, Practice Squad salary in excess of the minimum Practice Squad salary specified in Article 33 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and any performance incentives earned by the player during the term of the contract (including any option year) negotiated by the Contract Advisor.

For example, and without limitation, the term compensation shall not include any “honor” incentive bonuses (e.g., ALL PRO, PRO BOWL, Rookie of the Year), or any collectively bargained benefits or other payments provided for in the player’s individual contract.

I take it. You didnt like my example?
I thought I laid it out pretty nice for you. Uncomplicated.

Or is this a I took the other side kinda thing so I cant see your point now.

Where as if our points were the same you would see what I was saying clearly?
(even though it is the same thing)

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I says agents don't get paid for any thing they cannot negotiate.

It's not that hard to understand, unless you REFUSE to do so .

I honestly think you might be wrong. When I googled CBA benefit that is NOT salary. They are saying the agent cant make money of of any Collectively Bargained Benefits which is not there salary its the additional benefits the CBA gives them. For example the agent doesnt get a percentage of the players retirement plan. Now that Im typing this I think I am even more right. THey are saying the agent does not get a percentage of the players benefits. It has nothing to do with salary.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I take it. You didnt like my example?
I thought I laid it out pretty nice for you. Uncomplicated.

Or is this a I took the other side kinda thing so I cant see your point now.

Where as if our points were the same you would see what I was saying clearly?
(even though it is the same thing)

I think Manster is wrong. I googled CBA benefits and that is not the money they make. They are saying the agent doesnt get a percentage of their benefits like the NFL players retirement plan etc. I was 50-50 before I google "CBA benefits" now Im 98-2 on me being right. CBA Benefits are NOT the salary. That is saying the agent cant profit off the players benefits.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

It does not say that. And I dont know if CBA benefits are his salary. If you are right you are right but you are stating some half truths and making some assumptions. For example, when tagged they use the CBA to determine salary but the agent gets paid for that, So they do get paid for things they dont negotiate.

I defer to someone who knows contract verbiage better then me. What do you think @jarntt about the following...

B. Contract Advisor’s Compensation (1) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be three percent (3%) of the “compensation” (as defined within this Section) received by the player in each playing season covered by the contract negotiated by the Contract Advisor, except as follows:
(a) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be:

(i) Two percent (2%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation, or as a Restricted Free Agent;

(ii) One-and-one-half percent (1.5%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the second time he is tagged; and

(iii) One percent (1%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the third time he is tagged.

(2) The Contract Advisor and player may agree to any fee which is less than the maximum fee set forth in (1) above.

(3) As used in this Section 4(B), the term “compensation” shall be deemed to include only salaries, signing bonuses, reporting bonuses, roster bonuses, Practice Squad salary in excess of the minimum Practice Squad salary specified in Article 33 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and any performance incentives earned by the player during the term of the contract (including any option year) negotiated by the Contract Advisor.

For example, and without limitation, the term compensation shall not include any “honor” incentive bonuses (e.g., ALL PRO, PRO BOWL, Rookie of the Year), or any collectively bargained benefits or other payments provided for in the player’s individual contract.

To make this easier for you Jarntt from my perspective it says agents dont get paid from CBA benefits. @Manster7588 thinks this means the agent cant make money off of CBA negotiated salaries. Im saying he is wrong. CBA benefits are not salary they are actual benefits like Pensions, Annuities, Life Insurance. I think they are saying the agent cant consider these things as compensation they collect on and Manster is saying its their salry. Can you chime in and give any clarity because youve told me you do contractual work daily.

 

[Manster7588]

It does not say that. And I dont know if CBA benefits are his salary. If you are right you are right but you are stating some half truths and making some assumptions. For example, when tagged they use the CBA to determine salary but the agent gets paid for that, So they do get paid for things they dont negotiate.

I defer to someone who knows contract verbiage better then me. What do you think @jarntt about the following...

B. Contract Advisor’s Compensation (1) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be three percent (3%) of the “compensation” (as defined within this Section) received by the player in each playing season covered by the contract negotiated by the Contract Advisor, except as follows:
(a) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be:

(i) Two percent (2%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation, or as a Restricted Free Agent;

(ii) One-and-one-half percent (1.5%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the second time he is tagged; and

(iii) One percent (1%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation for the third time he is tagged.

(2) The Contract Advisor and player may agree to any fee which is less than the maximum fee set forth in (1) above.

(3) As used in this Section 4(B), the term “compensation” shall be deemed to include only salaries, signing bonuses, reporting bonuses, roster bonuses, Practice Squad salary in excess of the minimum Practice Squad salary specified in Article 33 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and any performance incentives earned by the player during the term of the contract (including any option year) negotiated by the Contract Advisor.

For example, and without limitation, the term compensation shall not include any “honor” incentive bonuses (e.g., ALL PRO, PRO BOWL, Rookie of the Year), or any collectively bargained benefits or other payments provided for in the player’s individual contract.

Ok, let's take this one step at a time.

Do all 1st ed contracts automatically get the 5th year included?

 

[Manster7588]

To make this easier for you Jarntt from my perspective it says agents dont get paid from CBA benefits. @Manster7588 thinks this means the agent cant make money off of CBA negotiated salaries. Im saying he is wrong. CBA benefits are not salary they are actual benefits like Pensions, Annuities, Life Insurance. I think they are saying the agent cant consider these things as compensation they collect on and Manster is saying its their salry. Can you chime in and give any clarity because youve told me you do contractual work daily.

I'm not saying that the NFLPA is saying it.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

well it was fun while it lasted.
Thought we might get somewhere in this conversation tonight.
but I have debated plenty with PE1 through the last couple years.
He is now digging in.

Doesnt matter what you might point out to him going forward. he's done hearing your point.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Ok, let's take this one step at a time.

Do all 1st ed contracts automatically get the 5th year included?

YES

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

well it was fun while it lasted.
Thought we might get somewhere in this conversation tonight.
but I have debated plenty with PE1 through the last couple years.
He is now digging in.

Doesnt matter what you might point out to him going forward. he's done hearing your point.

THats really unfair. Im willing to listen but did you listen to my point. CBA benefits are not their salary. Im not "really digging in". I said I was 50-50 until I googled CBA benefits. Benefits is not the players salary its their benefits. Tell me why Im wrong. Im listening.