Game of Thrones

[Ottermatic]

Is lord of storms end a de facto next in line position?

He's now Robert's true heir....

You know, the very title that Stannis and Joffrey were fighting to claim, with an eye to the iron throne, way back in season 2

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

He's now Robert's true heir....

You know, the very title that Stannis and Joffrey were fighting to claim, with an eye to the iron throne, way back in season 2

I guess I don't see him as third in line being the targs. Either first or not at all in my book.

 

[Duffman]

He's now Robert's true heir....

You know, the very title that Stannis and Joffrey were fighting to claim, with an eye to the iron throne, way back in season 2

Well Gendry could have a right to the throne however, one rule supersedes the law of succession.

The right of conquest!!

If Dany is dead and Jon is dead I'd say whoever conquers the throne at that time would have the right over Gendry, unless he is the one leading the conquest.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I guess I don't see him as third in line being the targs. Either first or not at all in my book.

but technically before the torchdown. The Baratheon lineage is the ones holding the crown. Not the targs. So if Dany dies & Jon either dies or moves on not wanting the crown. The oldest living Baratheon would be next in line for the crown.
Since he is no longer a bastard name but a baratheon. (Ironically because of Dany) He would be the next choice.

 

[Ottermatic]

Yeah, it's a narrow line for him to walk.

He has to acknowledge Dany's authority as queen, otherwise he would still be a bastard.... his claim to be Robert's heir deeives from Danys authority. If she wasnt properly queen, then he has no claim to be king.

At the same time, his place in the line of succession is dependent on Robert, who Dany thinks was never anything but a usurper.

He's in a complicated situation

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Yeah, it's a narrow line for him to walk.

He has to acknowledge Dany's authority as queen, otherwise he would still be a bastard.... his claim to be Robert's heir deeives from Danys authority. If she wasnt properly queen, then he has no claim to be king.

At the same time, his place in the line of succession is dependent on Robert, who Dany thinks was never anything but a usurper.

He's in a complicated situation

simple really. He acknowledges her as queen. Arya assassinates said Queen. Whatever happens with Jon happens, leaving no more targs. Tada! he is the last (male atleast) Baratheon.

Either that or the Sands take over LOL

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

but technically before the torchdown. The Baratheon lineage is the ones holding the crown. Not the targs. So if Dany dies & Jon either dies or moves on not wanting the crown. The oldest living Baratheon would be next in line for the crown.
Since he is no longer a bastard name but a baratheon. (Ironically because of Dany) He would be the next choice.

That's fair, but if she's never in line to be queen then she never even had that power.

 

[Ottermatic]

simple really. He acknowledges her as queen. Arya assassinates said Queen. Whatever happens with Jon happens, leaving no more targs. Tada! he is the last (male atleast) Baratheon.

Either that or the Sands take over LOL

Yeah, that's kind of how I see it playing out too.

With the difference that I think he marries Sansa and she effectively rules as queen.

Think about it... both SS and GB are still at Winterfell, and we know that he is concerned about his ability to be a lord. It makes sense that he would go to SS for advice, as shes the only person there trained as nobility. They build a relationship.

When all the shit goes down with Dany and Jon and the rest, that's a natural pairing to pick up the pieces.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

simple really. He acknowledges her as queen. Arya assassinates said Queen. Whatever happens with Jon happens, leaving no more targs. Tada! he is the last (male atleast) Baratheon.

Either that or the Sands take over LOL

At that point, he would have no claim to the throne. He'd either have to be essentially chosen by the other kingdoms or go take it for himself.

 

[juliansteed]

I don't think it was ever mentioned in the show but Baratheons do have Targaryen blood. Robert and Rhaegar were 2nd or 3rd cousins. If Daenerys and Jon both die then Gendry could be next in line even by those who acknowledge the Targaryen line as the true rulers.

I don't really see that coming into play though since like I said, I don't believe it was ever mentioned on the show.

 

[Duffman]

I don't think it was ever mentioned in the show but Baratheons do have Targaryen blood. Robert and Rhaegar were 2nd or 3rd cousins. If Daenerys and Jon both die then Gendry could be next in line even by those who acknowledge the Targaryen line as the true rulers.

I don't really see that coming into play though since like I said, I don't believe it was ever mentioned on the show.

Yes Robert was a descendant from Rhaelle Targaryen as she was his grandmother. So Robert Baratheon and Daenerys are second cousins

 

[juliansteed]

I don't mind Jamie's arc. He didn't do a full 360 back to who he was at the start of the series. He just wanted to save Cersei and their baby but didn't hurt any innocent people in his attempt to do so. The only person he hurt was Euron which was in self-defense.

My biggest problem was the timing of his decision to go try to save Cersei. When Daenerys' and Jon's allied forces left for King Landing with 2 dragons he stayed behind with Brienne. It's only after he hears that Cersei's men killed a dragon and captured Missandei that all of a sudden it occurs to him that they might execute Cersei? What did he think they were going to do with her before that after she double-crossed them in the battle against the WWs? If anything, the fact that Cersei's army cut her dragons in half should have given Jamie some reassurance that she might pull off the W in King's Landing.

 

[wildturkey]

Is there even a Night King in the books?

No. Not yet at least. In fact, there hasn't really been much detail given to "The Others" in the books. The show has done more with the White Walkers/wights than the books have. I assume if the books are ever released (I highly doubt it), we'll get some version of the NK and the WW stuff eventually. I wouldn't think the show would entirely make up a character. We have characters that are mixes of book characters, but none that are flat out new.

 

[Innermind]

Watched it with wife

The horse Arya rides with is the one Harry is on at the beginning

Yes and no.

Although it may have been the same animal performer, the horse at the end had no saddle and was implied to be a Dothraki beast (just moments prior, Arya was nearly cut down by a couple Dothraki riders).

Dany went so berserk, she was even killing her own troops. Both Jon & Davos realized this when they looked at each other in the closing moments, and that's why Jon ordered a withdrawal near the end of the episode.

 

[ill]

I feel like there are no elders left...they are all dead and having to leave this world to a bunch of children to run. Who is going to say "you marry you" and unite the great families? It feels like all those people have been wiped out.

 

[Sparhawk]

that's a great point. and one thing i've just remembered when you birng that up is the look sir davos gave jon snow towards the end of last nights battle.

that sir davos guy seems to be in all of the epic moments and battles, he doesn't do much, but ends up surviving. and at just the right place of some major event happening he's johnny on the spot, like he's a freaking 3ER or something. what's up with this dude? he's sliding under the radar.

Davos is like the soul of the show, speaking for the common man.

 

[Sparhawk]

Dany dragon glass to the heart, banished to the lands of always winter, maybe Jon even goes with her, wall rebuilt, world keeps on spinning.

Jon has to be the one that puts it in her, pun intended.
There was the story of the 13 lord commander having an undead bride, so maybe something similar happens and they head north....

Maybe the ice cools her fire-on-the-mind madness?

I'm at the point where I kind of ignore every well thought out piece of fan fiction because the writers apparently have no such desire to think this through and just want to get to the end, no matter how.

 

[ill]

George R.R. Martin Blasts Claim About New ’Game Of Thrones’ Books

As Martin responded in his blog on Monday, however, this is not the case:

I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six… [The] books are not done. HBO did not ask me to delay them. Nor did David & Dan. There is no “deal” to hold back on the books. I assure you, HBO and David & Dan would both have been thrilled and delighted if THE WINDS OF WINTER had been delivered and published four or five years ago… and NO ONE would have been more delighted than me.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Jon has to be the one that puts it in her, pun intended.
There was the story of the 13 lord commander having an undead bride, so maybe something similar happens and they head north....

Maybe the ice cools her fire-on-the-mind madness?

I'm at the point where I kind of ignore every well thought out piece of fan fiction because the writers apparently have no such desire to think this through and just want to get to the end, no matter how.

Considering Jon wants no part of living Dany I doubt he goes for dead dany

 

[Stakesarehigh]

George R.R. Martin Blasts Claim About New ’Game Of Thrones’ Books

As Martin responded in his blog on Monday, however, this is not the case:

I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six… [The] books are not done. HBO did not ask me to delay them. Nor did David & Dan. There is no “deal” to hold back on the books. I assure you, HBO and David & Dan would both have been thrilled and delighted if THE WINDS OF WINTER had been delivered and published four or five years ago… and NO ONE would have been more delighted than me.

So finish the book fat ass